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ChuckBuck
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7/10/2013  7:07 PM
I'm not going to lie...it really is like getting back a Gallinari that grew 3 more inches.


Rk Player From To G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 Andrea Bargnani 2007 2013 433 316 30.3 5.6 12.8 .437 1.3 3.7 .361 2.7 3.3 .825 0.9 3.9 4.8 1.3 0.4 0.9 1.7 2.6 15.2
2 Danilo Gallinari 2009 2013 285 247 31.3 4.5 10.6 .419 1.8 4.9 .369 3.8 4.5 .844 0.8 3.8 4.7 1.9 0.9 0.5 1.4 2.1 14.5

Can't see why any of the hatters would complain. It's pretty much Gallinari across the board. We got our sexy Italiano back!

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7/10/2013  7:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/10/2013  7:39 PM
The scoring efficiency and assist:to ratio are night and day. That's why Gallo gives about fifteen more points per 100 possessions. Position-adjusted rebounding is night and day too.
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7/10/2013  7:40 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I think he has more upside than gallo. Can't teach 7ft jumpshooting but Bargs is softer than Gallo who is a pretty tough kid. Both are unreliable but hopefully Bargs reaches full potential in New York or at least repeats his good yrs in Toronto

Also Gallo lives and breathes basketball. Bargnani doesn't seem to be as passionate about the game but enjoys the a amentities that come with they game


Can't teach 6'10" either. Who cares about the 2 inches? It's not like Bargs plays like a big.

Has any of our trade acquisitions ever reached full potential or live up to whatever hype was used when acquiring them?

Mcdyess
Marbury
Curry
Stevie Franchise
Jerome James
Billups
MElo
Camby
It's endless...

Only exception I can think of is Zack Randolph - did we trade for or sign him? I forget.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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7/10/2013  7:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/10/2013  7:46 PM
loweyecue wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I think he has more upside than gallo. Can't teach 7ft jumpshooting but Bargs is softer than Gallo who is a pretty tough kid. Both are unreliable but hopefully Bargs reaches full potential in New York or at least repeats his good yrs in Toronto

Also Gallo lives and breathes basketball. Bargnani doesn't seem to be as passionate about the game but enjoys the a amentities that come with they game


Can't teach 6'10" either. Who cares about the 2 inches? It's not like Bargs plays like a big.

Has any of our trade acquisitions ever reached full potential or live up to whatever hype was used when acquiring them?

Mcdyess
Marbury
Curry
Stevie Franchise
Jerome James
Billups
MElo
Camby
It's endless...

Only exception I can think of is Zack Randolph - did we trade for or sign him? I forget.


There's an infinite number of excuses for the past that a Koolaid drinker can come up with but a good rule of thumb is to expect veterans to perform like they always have.
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7/10/2013  7:59 PM
Or worse
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7/11/2013  9:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2013  9:43 AM
Player thoughts

“I felt like I connected with the (Knicks) coaches the most. I turned down better offers"

- CJ Leslie

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7/11/2013  9:48 AM
JayNYC wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
JayNYC wrote:
martin wrote:
JayNYC wrote:I might be totally off base here, an overracting Knicks fan... but it's hard to NOT feel like the "jilted lover" when seeing other free agent targets sign elsewhere for monies comparable to what NYK can offer!

which players are these?

Off top, one stand out was Darren Collison, he signed I believe a 2yr deal worth 1.8 mil to the Clippers. Omri Casspi signed for the vets min. Earl Watson.. Just a few players that I can recall. I'm sure there are others!

Darren Collinson? Omri Casspi? Earl Watson?
Are you going to start crying about Moz preferring Russia next? Tell the truth, are you a closet reactionary Linsanite?

Some people don't want the pressure, and manage to realize that much about themselves right off the bat. I'm sure 20 and 30 year old millionaire ball players who have agents running their accounting are worried as much as UK posters are about Dolan's business acumen. Last I checked, his money is the same color as any other idiot owner.

NYC is a zoo, the media is the worst on it's own teams than any others on the entire planet and the fans, short of Spike, just might crucify you as soon as invite you to a barbecue. Just read some of the posts in here.

You missed the point of this post fam lol, but that's neither here nor there... I can't tell if that was a rhetorical question and I ain't even gon bite the bait on the sarcasm.. I'll simply answer with this: Never liked Mozgov nor was I/or have I ever been big on Jeremy Lin! That said, Darren Collison would've been a viable option at point guard. The reason I created this post was merely to point out the inefficiency of relying on FREE Agency as the sole means of rebuilding/retooling a winning roster. It is a flawed approach, especially when considering that NYK lacks "appeal" as proven by lesser level talents opting to play elsewhere. Your money is only as good as the product purchased. Your last statement about Zoo York and media scrutiny speaks to the lacking appeal for NY, it justifies my stance.

Your point and the thread title establish your "jilted lover" syndrome over mid-level players who, IMHO, are of questionable importance. My post was to agree with your original premise that you are an overreacting Knicks fan.

As to the inefficiency of relying on FREE agency based on where lesser level talents opt to play, that's just flawed logic in my estimation. JR signed here. Melo signed here. Amare signed here. Sheet, Prigs signed here. How much sex do you need? Who truly cares what happens to Omri Caspi? He's probably figured out he'd be giving up four or five great games a year if he joined us, because he regularly has career nights against us.

Despite the low grade, anti-homer cool that percolates endlessly around NYC, I don't think hinging your fandom on the likes of Earl Watson's decision-making ability creates the basis of a good argument.

Kobe, desipite his personal idiocy at times, has it right: love the team you're with. Good riddance to everyone else.

And while we're on the subject, Metta Peace says hello.

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7/11/2013  10:12 AM
jrodmc wrote:
JayNYC wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
JayNYC wrote:
martin wrote:
JayNYC wrote:I might be totally off base here, an overracting Knicks fan... but it's hard to NOT feel like the "jilted lover" when seeing other free agent targets sign elsewhere for monies comparable to what NYK can offer!

which players are these?

Off top, one stand out was Darren Collison, he signed I believe a 2yr deal worth 1.8 mil to the Clippers. Omri Casspi signed for the vets min. Earl Watson.. Just a few players that I can recall. I'm sure there are others!

Darren Collinson? Omri Casspi? Earl Watson?
Are you going to start crying about Moz preferring Russia next? Tell the truth, are you a closet reactionary Linsanite?

Some people don't want the pressure, and manage to realize that much about themselves right off the bat. I'm sure 20 and 30 year old millionaire ball players who have agents running their accounting are worried as much as UK posters are about Dolan's business acumen. Last I checked, his money is the same color as any other idiot owner.

NYC is a zoo, the media is the worst on it's own teams than any others on the entire planet and the fans, short of Spike, just might crucify you as soon as invite you to a barbecue. Just read some of the posts in here.

You missed the point of this post fam lol, but that's neither here nor there... I can't tell if that was a rhetorical question and I ain't even gon bite the bait on the sarcasm.. I'll simply answer with this: Never liked Mozgov nor was I/or have I ever been big on Jeremy Lin! That said, Darren Collison would've been a viable option at point guard. The reason I created this post was merely to point out the inefficiency of relying on FREE Agency as the sole means of rebuilding/retooling a winning roster. It is a flawed approach, especially when considering that NYK lacks "appeal" as proven by lesser level talents opting to play elsewhere. Your money is only as good as the product purchased. Your last statement about Zoo York and media scrutiny speaks to the lacking appeal for NY, it justifies my stance.

Your point and the thread title establish your "jilted lover" syndrome over mid-level players who, IMHO, are of questionable importance. My post was to agree with your original premise that you are an overreacting Knicks fan.

As to the inefficiency of relying on FREE agency based on where lesser level talents opt to play, that's just flawed logic in my estimation. JR signed here. Melo signed here. Amare signed here. Sheet, Prigs signed here. How much sex do you need? Who truly cares what happens to Omri Caspi? He's probably figured out he'd be giving up four or five great games a year if he joined us, because he regularly has career nights against us.

Despite the low grade, anti-homer cool that percolates endlessly around NYC, I don't think hinging your fandom on the likes of Earl Watson's decision-making ability creates the basis of a good argument.

Kobe, desipite his personal idiocy at times, has it right: love the team you're with. Good riddance to everyone else.

And while we're on the subject, Metta Peace says hello.

Good points. Often we read how players "use us" for leverage to get more money.

We reach out to many players and make much of it public as do most teams. Its fun for fans. Most of the time its just a matter of it being "fit". Grant Hill considered NY but its not like we were true contenders and for him to move his family perhaps was not good for them.

Why make it so public? Agents like to make markets for their players to raise their price. Its just good business. Jeremy Lin knows this.

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7/11/2013  10:13 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2013  10:34 AM
jrodmc wrote:
JayNYC wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
JayNYC wrote:
martin wrote:
JayNYC wrote:I might be totally off base here, an overracting Knicks fan... but it's hard to NOT feel like the "jilted lover" when seeing other free agent targets sign elsewhere for monies comparable to what NYK can offer!

which players are these?

Off top, one stand out was Darren Collison, he signed I believe a 2yr deal worth 1.8 mil to the Clippers. Omri Casspi signed for the vets min. Earl Watson.. Just a few players that I can recall. I'm sure there are others!

Darren Collinson? Omri Casspi? Earl Watson?
Are you going to start crying about Moz preferring Russia next? Tell the truth, are you a closet reactionary Linsanite?

Some people don't want the pressure, and manage to realize that much about themselves right off the bat. I'm sure 20 and 30 year old millionaire ball players who have agents running their accounting are worried as much as UK posters are about Dolan's business acumen. Last I checked, his money is the same color as any other idiot owner.

NYC is a zoo, the media is the worst on it's own teams than any others on the entire planet and the fans, short of Spike, just might crucify you as soon as invite you to a barbecue. Just read some of the posts in here.

You missed the point of this post fam lol, but that's neither here nor there... I can't tell if that was a rhetorical question and I ain't even gon bite the bait on the sarcasm.. I'll simply answer with this: Never liked Mozgov nor was I/or have I ever been big on Jeremy Lin! That said, Darren Collison would've been a viable option at point guard. The reason I created this post was merely to point out the inefficiency of relying on FREE Agency as the sole means of rebuilding/retooling a winning roster. It is a flawed approach, especially when considering that NYK lacks "appeal" as proven by lesser level talents opting to play elsewhere. Your money is only as good as the product purchased. Your last statement about Zoo York and media scrutiny speaks to the lacking appeal for NY, it justifies my stance.

Your point and the thread title establish your "jilted lover" syndrome over mid-level players who, IMHO, are of questionable importance. My post was to agree with your original premise that you are an overreacting Knicks fan.

As to the inefficiency of relying on FREE agency based on where lesser level talents opt to play, that's just flawed logic in my estimation. JR signed here. Melo signed here. Amare signed here. Sheet, Prigs signed here. How much sex do you need? Who truly cares what happens to Omri Caspi? He's probably figured out he'd be giving up four or five great games a year if he joined us, because he regularly has career nights against us.

Despite the low grade, anti-homer cool that percolates endlessly around NYC, I don't think hinging your fandom on the likes of Earl Watson's decision-making ability creates the basis of a good argument.

Kobe, desipite his personal idiocy at times, has it right: love the team you're with. Good riddance to everyone else.

And while we're on the subject, Metta Peace says hello.

By comparison, if a lower level talent base does not desire to play here.. Can you, OR ANYONE safely assume, dare I say, GUARANTEE that a superstar that already has an established brand will chose to play for NYK? JR, Amare and Melo LOL.. yes indeed they signed, but were they the initial targets on a supposed free agent market, or did the market dictate their respective signings?... merely fall back options? You can supplant any name, that has opted for vet min money that NYK dangled in their view.. whatever the reason being, each respective player went in another direction. That said, the argument still remains valid.. there truly isn't an absolute that in 2015 our monies will yield a winning roster. It certainly doesn't ensure that we'll sign a marquee free agent either. That's not flawed logic.. at all, it's based on reasonable premise. As far as my choice of words "overracting", hey consider it hyperbole.. it's all about effect, right? Glad that, it has drawn you into debate!

Here's where we agree.. Fit should certainly be a determining factor for a players future... that is one of many ideals that supersede the "sexy appeal" of playing in The Garden. Allure, isn't the primary motivation for pending free agent signings. This idea that NY is the basketball Mecca of the world, has failed NYK. IMO

Inhale deep like the words of my breath/ I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death-- Circa 1994 Nasty Nas: NY State of Mind
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7/11/2013  10:47 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I think he has more upside than gallo. Can't teach 7ft jumpshooting but Bargs is softer than Gallo who is a pretty tough kid. Both are unreliable but hopefully Bargs reaches full potential in New York or at least repeats his good yrs in Toronto

Also Gallo lives and breathes basketball. Bargnani doesn't seem to be as passionate about the game but enjoys the a amentities that come with they game


Can't teach 6'10" either. Who cares about the 2 inches? It's not like Bargs plays like a big.

Has any of our trade acquisitions ever reached full potential or live up to whatever hype was used when acquiring them?

Mcdyess
Marbury
Curry
Stevie Franchise
Jerome James
Billups
MElo
Camby
It's endless...

Only exception I can think of is Zack Randolph - did we trade for or sign him? I forget.


There's an infinite number of excuses for the past that a Koolaid drinker can come up with but a good rule of thumb is to expect veterans to perform like they always have.

If you believe that the world works in a vacuum and that every situation is drawn from the same root data with the same variables, then yes, you would be accurate to project a similar outcome. If you believe that there are no pre determined outcomes and that there are too many variables at play to accurately predict an outcome based on isolated data points, then perhaps you can remain optimistic for a successful outcome.

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7/11/2013  10:54 AM
foosballnick wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I think he has more upside than gallo. Can't teach 7ft jumpshooting but Bargs is softer than Gallo who is a pretty tough kid. Both are unreliable but hopefully Bargs reaches full potential in New York or at least repeats his good yrs in Toronto

Also Gallo lives and breathes basketball. Bargnani doesn't seem to be as passionate about the game but enjoys the a amentities that come with they game


Can't teach 6'10" either. Who cares about the 2 inches? It's not like Bargs plays like a big.

Has any of our trade acquisitions ever reached full potential or live up to whatever hype was used when acquiring them?

Mcdyess
Marbury
Curry
Stevie Franchise
Jerome James
Billups
MElo
Camby
It's endless...

Only exception I can think of is Zack Randolph - did we trade for or sign him? I forget.


There's an infinite number of excuses for the past that a Koolaid drinker can come up with but a good rule of thumb is to expect veterans to perform like they always have.

If you believe that the world works in a vacuum and that every situation is drawn from the same root data with the same variables, then yes, you would be accurate to project a similar outcome. If you believe that there are no pre determined outcomes and that there are too many variables at play to accurately predict an outcome based on isolated data points, then perhaps you can remain optimistic for a successful outcome.


It's rare and basically random when a veteran player improves substantially beyond his past numbers. You'd be better off making all decisions assuming such improvement won't happen because you won't be able to identify in advance who will show such improvement anyway.
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7/11/2013  11:13 AM
misterearl wrote:Player thoughts

“I felt like I connected with the (Knicks) coaches the most. I turned down better offers"

- CJ Leslie


Kumbaya.....

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7/11/2013  11:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2013  11:18 AM
3G4G wrote:
misterearl wrote:Player thoughts

“I felt like I connected with the (Knicks) coaches the most. I turned down better offers"

- CJ Leslie


Kumbaya.....

LOLOLOLOLOL FINALLY! Well guess that dispels the idea behind this thread!!! CJ Leslie turned down better offers.. CJ LESLIE BOYYYYYYYYYYY WOO HOOOOOOOO LOLOLOLOLOL SMH

I'd like to make a shoutout.. ol school style to all the undrafted free agents out there! Big Ups to the unheralded ballers that love NYK from the D-League too. #UNDERDOGS

Inhale deep like the words of my breath/ I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death-- Circa 1994 Nasty Nas: NY State of Mind
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7/11/2013  12:18 PM
loweyecue wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I think he has more upside than gallo. Can't teach 7ft jumpshooting but Bargs is softer than Gallo who is a pretty tough kid. Both are unreliable but hopefully Bargs reaches full potential in New York or at least repeats his good yrs in Toronto

Also Gallo lives and breathes basketball. Bargnani doesn't seem to be as passionate about the game but enjoys the a amentities that come with they game


Can't teach 6'10" either. Who cares about the 2 inches? It's not like Bargs plays like a big.

Has any of our trade acquisitions ever reached full potential or live up to whatever hype was used when acquiring them?

Mcdyess
Marbury
Curry
Stevie Franchise
Jerome James
Billups
MElo
Camby
It's endless...

Only exception I can think of is Zack Randolph - did we trade for or sign him? I forget.

McDyess was unfortunate but, 90% of GM's make that trade. McDyess was an absolute beast and the Knee was supposed to be healthy. Had it worked out, we would have had a TRue franchise type talent.

Camby more than fulfilled the promise Knicks fans had for him when he was able to be on the floor. He was fragile but, his helter skelter stye of play, often above the rim left little chance of him staying healthy for us.

Curry who?? Man, that was a disaster. Promise UNFULFILLED

Jerome James.....no one held any hope that this one round wonder would ever resemble an NBA player


Billups......did what was needed and saved us a few buck.....promise met and kept

Melo......wait and see

Steph more than fulfilled his promise. Hew was NEVER supposed to be the primary scorer or leader of this team. That was supposed to be Houston's job so, considering that, I'd say to promise made to him went unfulfilled, not the other way around.

Franchise......dumb move, we all knew it, and I don't think anyone expected anything good to come of it so, there was no promise to fulfill other than the promise that he would be a distraction

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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