misterearl wrote:Hotter Than July

jrodmc wrote:The outlook of some fans on here is amusing.

29 win seasons? No playoffs! Look to the future! Watch the yoots! Basketball, the way it was meant to be! Stick to the patient plan, Donnie, we're behind you all the way! Hand me another 40 ounce of that Cap space, yoot potenshull draft pick 3-year-long, hard-on Kool Aid! Every season is another season to speculate and fantasy league play with yourself to your heart's delight! Internet GM wannabes, UK is the place to be!

Playoffs? 50 win season? 8-0 starts? 14 game winning streaks? Division title? Second round? Scoring Champion? DPOY? SMOTY? Old grungy Knicks returning to the fold to inspirate and perspirate at a key point in the season? JR game winners? Melo 40 points? Grunnie giving Woody old BenGay duct tape and MetalStapledHeads to hold it together?
All Loser's Homer Kool Aid! Don't be fooled! Haven't you heard? Have you not been told? Real basketball is going to continually be played on 20# bond paper at a third rate ABA franchise near you! Or maybe near Colorado! Or even Go West young man, that's where they play real basketball all year long!

jrodmc - we have a 6'9 gazelle from NC State, who should be playing with the edge of a dude picked last in a pickup game.

We also have a division 3 extra long shot with something to prove to himself and his Farmingdale homeboys.

We have a junior Hardaway and a junior Smith. Make that TWO Smiths, one we know who can play as good as he wants. The brother is an early candidate for some nice parting gifts.

We lost a sniper, a fragile center, Sheed, heart and soul man Kurt Thomas... And gained a distraction from Italy, to dissuade defenses from stalking Carmelo like Trayvon Martin. (Yeah, I said it)

The Knicks are changing, but our core players remain the same. That is a good thing.

Let it play.

the AnswerMan knows better than to doubt my abiding gratitude to the author of "let's watch the games, fellas"

The sniper was firing blanks and not much else. He got paid, good for him. Steve, have fun doing the Wizgonzin double check in Taxronto.
InivisiCamby? I prefer to trust my .600 coach then the moanings and groanings of someone who should most likely be out of the league. Chances are, he signs back on after being released by the Craptors, anyway.
Sheed, thanks for the early threes, sorry about the feet. You look good on the bench, have fun trying to figure out when to wave the towel in Dtown.
KThomas. RIP. Take the desk next to H2O.
QRich, I don't remember, did he play?

Bargs, a 7 foot distraction. This is not Eddy Curry. Or even Jerome James. I feel good about this. Thank you Grunnie.

VCoug wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:We traded 3 draft picks for Bargs and asking for 12-14 points. Let me ask u something if u gave Copeland 28 minutes do u think he could score 12-14 points?

Geez, when you put it like that

Way to boil it down - real talk. But Copeland was cheap, willing to take less and wanted to play for the Knicks - so of course we didn't want him. This was just a repeat of last year dude got Linned. while our resident black-hole cries for second scorer both he and his favorite "coach" are too effing dumb to recognize one even if it spits them in the face. So we gave up 3 draft picks to get production that's questionable at best. Go Knicks!!!!

loweyecue wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:We traded 3 draft picks for Bargs and asking for 12-14 points. Let me ask u something if u gave Copeland 28 minutes do u think he could score 12-14 points?

Geez, when you put it like that

Way to boil it down - real talk. But Copeland was cheap, willing to take less and wanted to play for the Knicks - so of course we didn't want him. This was just a repeat of last year dude got Linned. while our resident black-hole cries for second scorer both he and his favorite "coach" are too effing dumb to recognize one even if it spits them in the face. So we gave up 3 draft picks to get production that's questionable at best. Go Knicks!!!!

Well I wasn't happy to lose Cope, especially to the damn Pacers However, I don't use that as a means to bash AB. AB is a talented player and IMO he hasn't even reached his full potential. AB on his best day is better than Cope and Novak. Also AB is actually YOUNGER than Cope, so we got younger as a team in the process.

One thing I noticed with players that have a star rep is that they get more respect from opposing defenses. Cope was left open so much that it wasn't even funny. Cope has NEVER been the primary scorer on his team and AB was and put up 20 ppg. I think sometimes we bash a guy for doing things that others haven't been able to accomplish, with the full attention of opposing defenses. IMO on the Knicks AB can have good success as he will help to draw away attention from our other scorers. He's still respected as a good player in this league. Instead of being happy at the prospects of what having another primary scorer brings people can only complain.

Bonn1997 wrote:12.7 last year

19 the year before that and 21 the year before that. Also coming off of an injury and needing a change.

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:12.7 last year

19 the year before that and 21 the year before that. Also coming off of an injury and needing a change.

he put up his best scoring as the #1 shot taker. 17ppg with bosh for 1 year. given bosh doesnt shoot as much as anthony, i do not expect him scoring above 14ppg. if he does, thats good. lowered expectations with this guy.

I mean change your name to Debbie Downer...

Bosh's last year in Toronto he averaged 24pts a game...that's amongst the league leaders that year. So he shot enough shots to get those numbers. Carmelo won the scoring championship cuz nobody else on the Knicks can score when you need it except Felton and Smith.

Bargnani averaged 17 with Bosh...and you can say they shuld have clashed cuz they need the ball in the same spots....So he should florish here in NY because Carmelo and Bargs should not step on each others toes.

At the same time yeah 12-14 pts per game is about right....but not cuz Carmelo is going to shoot too much....if anything Carmelo should shoot a lot less, averaging 22-24 points per because you can expect Smith, Shump, Amare, Felton and Bargs to all take their share of shots. They all should be healthy at the start of the season.

The end

loweyecue wrote:No idea - whatever was posted on thread I guess. Point was Cope would have put up about that given a chance.

As I pointed out there's a difference in the talent level of Cope and AB. AB was the PRIMARY scorer for his team and the focus of the opposing teams defense. It means that teams will do their best to try and stop you. Teams will watch way more film on you and devise ways to stop you. Cope has never had that level of attention paid to him as a player. I think that when people bash players or pump them up they often leave that out of the equation. HUGE difference being the go to guy verses an outlet role player on a team. I love Cope but I also put into perspective what kind of player he is and what he was asked to do for this team.

Anyway this isn't about Cope vs AB. AB is here to play a different role than Cope did for this team. The offensive scheme will most likely feature AB on a level that they didn't expect from Cope.
I think it's odd to not acknowledge the impact that a healthy AB can have on this team with major minutes. AB can fit into a lot of roles and they can make use of his flexibility as a player. It's a reason to be optimistic about this team next season in addition to other things.

nixluva wrote:

loweyecue wrote:No idea - whatever was posted on thread I guess. Point was Cope would have put up about that given a chance.

As I pointed out there's a difference in the talent level of Cope and AB. AB was the PRIMARY scorer for his team and the focus of the opposing teams defense. It means that teams will do their best to try and stop you. Teams will watch way more film on you and devise ways to stop you. Cope has never had that level of attention paid to him as a player. I think that when people bash players or pump them up they often leave that out of the equation. HUGE difference being the go to guy verses an outlet role player on a team. I love Cope but I also put into perspective what kind of player he is and what he was asked to do for this team.

Anyway this isn't about Cope vs AB. AB is here to play a different role than Cope did for this team. The offensive scheme will most likely feature AB on a level that they didn't expect from Cope.
I think it's odd to not acknowledge the impact that a healthy AB can have on this team with major minutes. AB can fit into a lot of roles and they can make use of his flexibility as a player. It's a reason to be optimistic about this team next season in addition to other things.

loweyecue wrote:

nixluva wrote:

loweyecue wrote:No idea - whatever was posted on thread I guess. Point was Cope would have put up about that given a chance.

As I pointed out there's a difference in the talent level of Cope and AB. AB was the PRIMARY scorer for his team and the focus of the opposing teams defense. It means that teams will do their best to try and stop you. Teams will watch way more film on you and devise ways to stop you. Cope has never had that level of attention paid to him as a player. I think that when people bash players or pump them up they often leave that out of the equation. HUGE difference being the go to guy verses an outlet role player on a team. I love Cope but I also put into perspective what kind of player he is and what he was asked to do for this team.

Anyway this isn't about Cope vs AB. AB is here to play a different role than Cope did for this team. The offensive scheme will most likely feature AB on a level that they didn't expect from Cope.
I think it's odd to not acknowledge the impact that a healthy AB can have on this team with major minutes. AB can fit into a lot of roles and they can make use of his flexibility as a player. It's a reason to be optimistic about this team next season in addition to other things.

First off there is zero evidence that Woody can coach an offense or will even attempt to draw up plays for Bargs.
Second the knock on Bargs is not his offensive skill - it's his efficiency and his defense or lack thereof
Third - the team had two needs Floor general type PG and starting SF - Bargs doesn't fill those needs and lsoing the picks hurts our ability to otherwise fill them

I have no idea what value there is regurgitating this over and over again. I could care less how "talented" people thing Bargnani is. Go back and check out how Marbury and Anthony Rabdolph (another precious TOP PICK) worked out for us.

Given our situation and our coaching philosophy (yeah that's a pretty ambitious term) this was a poor acquisition that makes little sense.

I can't see into the future and predict what Woody will do, so I am going based on what he has done before. If he finally figures out that we actually need a ball movement type offense, I'll be happy to root for Bargnani to succeed. As of now MElo and JR are going to keep chucking and Bargnani will stand outside the 3PT line and watch. BEEEG WHOOOPDEDO

It's wrong to try and compare Steph and AR(this is a joke to even mention him in comparison) to this scenario with AB. Gallo couldn't post up and AB can. I can't really argue with you about knowing exactly what Woody is gonna do offensively. I can only assume that he'll use some of the same principles he did this year. In that case I think he'll use AB to spread the floor and also in the post and PnR/PnP plays. AB is not the same kind of player we've had before. He's got some special skills that make him more flexibile and thus you can run different stuff with him in the game.

Melo will still get his ISO plays, but with AB roaming about on the perimeter it will draw a defender away almost assuredly. AB has a rep for being a sniper from anywhere on the floor and that will at least force some defensive attention. I'm not expecting the most imaginative offense, but it doesn't have to be in order to be effective.

I just posted this on another thread but it makes sense for this argument too.

********** MPG ---- FGA
Melo       37       22
JR         34       16
Felton     34       13
Tyson      33       6
Amar'e     24       9
Shump      22       6
Prigs      16       3

We need another legit scorer and AB brings that to the team. If you can't imagine how that will effect the team positively then I think your bitterness about the teams direction is effecting your thinking process.

CashMoney wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

nixluva wrote:

loweyecue wrote:No idea - whatever was posted on thread I guess. Point was Cope would have put up about that given a chance.

As I pointed out there's a difference in the talent level of Cope and AB. AB was the PRIMARY scorer for his team and the focus of the opposing teams defense. It means that teams will do their best to try and stop you. Teams will watch way more film on you and devise ways to stop you. Cope has never had that level of attention paid to him as a player. I think that when people bash players or pump them up they often leave that out of the equation. HUGE difference being the go to guy verses an outlet role player on a team. I love Cope but I also put into perspective what kind of player he is and what he was asked to do for this team.

Anyway this isn't about Cope vs AB. AB is here to play a different role than Cope did for this team. The offensive scheme will most likely feature AB on a level that they didn't expect from Cope.
I think it's odd to not acknowledge the impact that a healthy AB can have on this team with major minutes. AB can fit into a lot of roles and they can make use of his flexibility as a player. It's a reason to be optimistic about this team next season in addition to other things.

First off there is zero evidence that Woody can coach an offense or will even attempt to draw up plays for Bargs.
Second the knock on Bargs is not his offensive skill - it's his efficiency and his defense or lack thereof
Third - the team had two needs Floor general type PG and starting SF - Bargs doesn't fill those needs and lsoing the picks hurts our ability to otherwise fill them

I have no idea what value there is regurgitating this over and over again. I could care less how "talented" people thing Bargnani is. Go back and check out how Marbury and Anthony Rabdolph (another precious TOP PICK) worked out for us.

Given our situation and our coaching philosophy (yeah that's a pretty ambitious term) this was a poor acquisition that makes little sense.

I can't see into the future and predict what Woody will do, so I am going based on what he has done before. If he finally figures out that we actually need a ball movement type offense, I'll be happy to root for Bargnani to succeed. As of now MElo and JR are going to keep chucking and Bargnani will stand outside the 3PT line and watch. BEEEG WHOOOPDEDO

Woody can't coach an offense yet we had the 3rd best offensive efficiency in the NBA last season?

There is a big difference between the top dog on a crappy team and the 2nd scoring option that has an alpha dog. Why is the verdict of Bargs on the Knicks being crap when he hasn't even play 1 game yet?

Two needs of a floor general PG and a starting SF? PG = Prigs SF = Melo PF is now Bargs.

I almost speechless that many people think that Bargs isn't an upgrade over Camby and Novak. I mean CAMBY AND NOVAK! Camby never played and Novak was useless unless left wide open for a 3. We now have a proven scorer who can step into the #2 which mean we won't have to rely on JR as our 2nd scoring option.

Also, people are forgetting all about my man Shump. He was a shell of himself until the playoffs started. Now he's going into his first NBA off season and is playing summer league. His 3 point shooting is much improved and we all know about his D.

I agree that Shump should take a step up this year. I expect Shump to take more shots this year and be more of an impact player on offense. People forget that he couldn't actually work on developing his game last summer. His development is a bit behind schedule. We haven't seen the best of this kid yet.

AB is so much better than Novak and Camby that it's not even funny. We likely won't miss Copeland given the impact of adding AB, THJ and an improved Shump to the mix. All of that and we still haven't finished the roster.