TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:the knicks are going to underachieve next season if not outright implode, and it will be more immediately because of the leadership void but also the build-up of "plan scrapping" dating back to the melo trade.

it seems that some of you believe that there is some sort of magical critical mass point that will occur but there will be no critical mass point with a roster that is now overwhelmed by regular-season fool's gold players being coached by a regular-season fool's gold coach. there will be no cohesion or synergy with this motley collection.

the only antidote for a lack of offensive cohesion is defense and rebounding and the knicks have neither.

sure, they are "professionals" who are paid to "show up" every night, but the impossibility of cohering will ultimately erode any collective will. to fight that erosion you need leadership on the floor and on the bench. the knicks have neither.

i feel sad for true knick fans who expect excellence but who are forced to lap up this slop.

this franchise is doggy-****.

Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?

the knicks peaked last season, and it is not only because of their own disarray but also the fact that other teams have improved. last year's hot start was based primarily on defense and offensive cohesion, the latter due to kidd's presence. later in the season prigioni brought something similar but early on the knicks lost any genuine defense-first mentality-- and it caught up with them in the playoffs.

now they are so lopsidedly offensive, but porous and soft, that implosion is a distinct possibility. that is why i put "underachieve" as the more obvious outcome, but without leadership that underachievement can certainly metastasize into implosion, including the firing of woodson sometime during the season.

dk7th wrote:the knicks are going to underachieve next season if not outright implode, and it will be more immediately because of the leadership void but also the build-up of "plan scrapping" dating back to the melo trade.

it seems that some of you believe that there is some sort of magical critical mass point that will occur but there will be no critical mass point with a roster that is now overwhelmed by regular-season fool's gold players being coached by a regular-season fool's gold coach. there will be no cohesion or synergy with this motley collection.

the only antidote for a lack of offensive cohesion is defense and rebounding and the knicks have neither.

sure, they are "professionals" who are paid to "show up" every night, but the impossibility of cohering will ultimately erode any collective will. to fight that erosion you need leadership on the floor and on the bench. the knicks have neither.

i feel sad for true knick fans who expect excellence but who are forced to lap up this slop.

this franchise is doggy-****.

Bonn1997 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Outright Implosions

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:
this franchise is doggy-****.

Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?

Ya think?

Nah, let's all follow dk7th, fold the tent, pack the upcoming season in a hefty bag, throw it in the trash and watch something else.

Why bother?

That doesn't sound like following dk7th.
That sounds more like an intolerant homer's misinterpretation of dk7th
He clearly does advocate following the team because he enjoys critical discussion of the game.

i get the sense that confidence levels and optimism among the knicks fanbase has been weakened. other teams seem to have gotten better while the knicks have made, at best, sideways moves and at worst poor decisions, whether reactively or proactively.

again, as some have asked-- where is the plan? i want to watch the knicks because of good basketball not rubbernecking a car wreck.

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Outright Implosions

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:
this franchise is doggy-****.

Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?

Ya think?

Nah, let's all follow dk7th, fold the tent, pack the upcoming season in a hefty bag, throw it in the trash and watch something else.

Why bother?

That doesn't sound like following dk7th.
That sounds more like an intolerant homer's misinterpretation of dk7th
He clearly does advocate following the team because he enjoys critical discussion of the game.

i get the sense that confidence levels and optimism among the knicks fanbase has been weakened. other teams seem to have gotten better while the knicks have made, at best, sideways moves and at worst poor decisions, whether reactively or proactively.

again, as some have asked-- where is the plan? i want to watch the knicks because of good basketball not rubbernecking a car wreck.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Outright Implosions

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:
this franchise is doggy-****.

Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?

Ya think?

Nah, let's all follow dk7th, fold the tent, pack the upcoming season in a hefty bag, throw it in the trash and watch something else.

Why bother?

That doesn't sound like following dk7th.
That sounds more like an intolerant homer's misinterpretation of dk7th
He clearly does advocate following the team because he enjoys critical discussion of the game.

i get the sense that confidence levels and optimism among the knicks fanbase has been weakened. other teams seem to have gotten better while the knicks have made, at best, sideways moves and at worst poor decisions, whether reactively or proactively.

again, as some have asked-- where is the plan? i want to watch the knicks because of good basketball not rubbernecking a car wreck.

I don't think the team is complete yet. I think the Knicks can win the atlantic. I am not sure if they win 54 games again. I think the next couple of signings, while vet minis will be big.

45-48 wins I think dont know if its good enough but it might be

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Outright Implosions

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:
this franchise is doggy-****.

Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?

Ya think?

Nah, let's all follow dk7th, fold the tent, pack the upcoming season in a hefty bag, throw it in the trash and watch something else.

Why bother?

That doesn't sound like following dk7th.
That sounds more like an intolerant homer's misinterpretation of dk7th
He clearly does advocate following the team because he enjoys critical discussion of the game.

i get the sense that confidence levels and optimism among the knicks fanbase has been weakened. other teams seem to have gotten better while the knicks have made, at best, sideways moves and at worst poor decisions, whether reactively or proactively.

again, as some have asked-- where is the plan? i want to watch the knicks because of good basketball not rubbernecking a car wreck.

I don't think the team is complete yet. I think the Knicks can win the atlantic. I am not sure if they win 54 games again. I think the next couple of signings, while vet minis will be big.

who is on your radar at this point. my opinion is they desperately need defenders/rebounders and/or a pocket-passing power forward like a david lee or garnett.

loweyecue wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:the knicks are going to underachieve next season if not outright implode, and it will be more immediately because of the leadership void but also the build-up of "plan scrapping" dating back to the melo trade.

it seems that some of you believe that there is some sort of magical critical mass point that will occur but there will be no critical mass point with a roster that is now overwhelmed by regular-season fool's gold players being coached by a regular-season fool's gold coach. there will be no cohesion or synergy with this motley collection.

the only antidote for a lack of offensive cohesion is defense and rebounding and the knicks have neither.

sure, they are "professionals" who are paid to "show up" every night, but the impossibility of cohering will ultimately erode any collective will. to fight that erosion you need leadership on the floor and on the bench. the knicks have neither.

i feel sad for true knick fans who expect excellence but who are forced to lap up this slop.

this franchise is doggy-****.

Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?

the knicks peaked last season, and it is not only because of their own disarray but also the fact that other teams have improved. last year's hot start was based primarily on defense and offensive cohesion, the latter due to kidd's presence. later in the season prigioni brought something similar but early on the knicks lost any genuine defense-first mentality-- and it caught up with them in the playoffs.

now they are so lopsidedly offensive, but porous and soft, that implosion is a distinct possibility. that is why i put "underachieve" as the more obvious outcome, but without leadership that underachievement can certainly metastasize into implosion, including the firing of woodson sometime during the season.

Completely agree with this. I also think the peaked last year, which means it's down hill from this point on with this core. I have a feeling we will be in the low to mid 40s for wins. I don't really care about winning the Atlantic - it doesn't mean anything. I think if Kidd can get the Nets to gel they will win the Atlantic not us. But that too is yet to be seen.

I don't think they peaked last year because they never had a full team last season so what they accomplished last season was without Shead, Amare, Iman part of the season, Thomas, and a slew of other injuries. So we didn't peak. We can get better if Woody have an offensive plan and a defensive plan without burning out Melo. The same haters are stewing the same ol bull Sh$t. But never have any answers like players names that would be good for the Knicks. And please don't mention draft picks because we always eat our young. Soo who do you recommend haters? I don't hear you!!! Ha you have no plan you only have complaints. Come with some answere and name some names.

tj23 wrote:Bargnani is a more accomplished and proven player than Copeland. He'll be playing.

why didn't camby play?

dk7th wrote:the knicks are going to underachieve next season if not outright implode, and it will be more immediately because of the leadership void but also the build-up of "plan scrapping" dating back to the melo trade.

it seems that some of you believe that there is some sort of magical critical mass point that will occur but there will be no critical mass point with a roster that is now overwhelmed by regular-season fool's gold players being coached by a regular-season fool's gold coach. there will be no cohesion or synergy with this motley collection.

the only antidote for a lack of offensive cohesion is defense and rebounding and the knicks have neither.

sure, they are "professionals" who are paid to "show up" every night, but the impossibility of cohering will ultimately erode any collective will. to fight that erosion you need leadership on the floor and on the bench. the knicks have neither.

i feel sad for true knick fans who expect excellence but who are forced to lap up this slop.

this franchise is doggy-****.

GOOD POST.... fools gold team..

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Outright Implosions

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:
this franchise is doggy-****.

Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?

Ya think?

Nah, let's all follow dk7th, fold the tent, pack the upcoming season in a hefty bag, throw it in the trash and watch something else.

Why bother?

That doesn't sound like following dk7th.
That sounds more like an intolerant homer's misinterpretation of dk7th
He clearly does advocate following the team because he enjoys critical discussion of the game.

i get the sense that confidence levels and optimism among the knicks fanbase has been weakened. other teams seem to have gotten better while the knicks have made, at best, sideways moves and at worst poor decisions, whether reactively or proactively.

again, as some have asked-- where is the plan? i want to watch the knicks because of good basketball not rubbernecking a car wreck.

I don't think the team is complete yet. I think the Knicks can win the atlantic. I am not sure if they win 54 games again. I think the next couple of signings, while vet minis will be big.

So wait after we made the Bargnani trade you're saying the ultimate success of this team boils down to us making the last couple signings that determine this?

You seriously think signing 2-3 players at vet minimum is the end all be all to your final assessment of this team.

Typical "buying time" posting.

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Outright Implosions

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:
this franchise is doggy-****.

Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?

Ya think?

Nah, let's all follow dk7th, fold the tent, pack the upcoming season in a hefty bag, throw it in the trash and watch something else.

Why bother?

That doesn't sound like following dk7th.
That sounds more like an intolerant homer's misinterpretation of dk7th
He clearly does advocate following the team because he enjoys critical discussion of the game.

i get the sense that confidence levels and optimism among the knicks fanbase has been weakened. other teams seem to have gotten better while the knicks have made, at best, sideways moves and at worst poor decisions, whether reactively or proactively.

again, as some have asked-- where is the plan? i want to watch the knicks because of good basketball not rubbernecking a car wreck.

I don't think the team is complete yet. I think the Knicks can win the atlantic. I am not sure if they win 54 games again. I think the next couple of signings, while vet minis will be big.

So wait after we made the Bargnani trade you're saying the ultimate success of this team boils down to us making the last couple signings that determine this?

You seriously think signing 2-3 players at vet minimum is the end all be all to your final assessment of this team.

Typical "buying time" posting.