CrushAlot wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

VDesai wrote:Personally I would've offered Cope the full mini MLE and taken my chances at signing Prigs with the veteran min contact or let him walk for another option. I like Prig but Prig is too limited offensively to be the primary backup PG and as a consequence we are still looking for another guy at the PG position.

Yep Copeland was a better player. We still need another PG anyway. Cope was trade able down the line as well

Copeland would have become the fan favorite, because he would have the ball in his hands, but that would take it out of Melo's hands.

I think it is Lin part II. They don't want any competition for Melo, not fan favorites (e.g. Lin) or scoring from the same position (Cope).

What is "funny" is we are still looking for a point guard and still looking for a true backup to Melo...

I think I am reading things that are pretty ridiculous.

Would be funny if it wasn't true.

CashMoney wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

VDesai wrote:Personally I would've offered Cope the full mini MLE and taken my chances at signing Prigs with the veteran min contact or let him walk for another option. I like Prig but Prig is too limited offensively to be the primary backup PG and as a consequence we are still looking for another guy at the PG position.

Yep Copeland was a better player. We still need another PG anyway. Cope was trade able down the line as well

Copeland would have become the fan favorite, because he would have the ball in his hands, but that would take it out of Melo's hands.

I think it is Lin part II. They don't want any competition for Melo, not fan favorites (e.g. Lin) or scoring from the same position (Cope).

What is "funny" is we are still looking for a point guard and still looking for a true backup to Melo...

You guys crack me up. There are people on this board who hated the Melo trade since Gallo was included yet we basically have a 7 foot version of Gallo and it's a problem. Letting Lin go to Houston was a bad move but giving Lin $8 mil a year for what is basically Ray Felton production and who happens to make half of what Lin does was a bad move.

Now not offering Cope a contract even though everyone on the face of the earth knew he was worth more on the open market and was basically a goner anyway is a bad move because his per 36 minutes is better than Bargs?

Better then Bargs best season it blows away Bargs last season. Copeland was very productive with his minutes. Bargs is expected to score what 15 in 30 with no defense ,Cope could score 15 in 30 with no defense.Why did we give up 3 draft picks and 4 times the salary per for the same thing

BigSm00th wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

VDesai wrote:Personally I would've offered Cope the full mini MLE and taken my chances at signing Prigs with the veteran min contact or let him walk for another option. I like Prig but Prig is too limited offensively to be the primary backup PG and as a consequence we are still looking for another guy at the PG position.

Yep Copeland was a better player. We still need another PG anyway. Cope was trade able down the line as well

Copeland would have become the fan favorite, because he would have the ball in his hands, but that would take it out of Melo's hands.

I think it is Lin part II. They don't want any competition for Melo, not fan favorites (e.g. Lin) or scoring from the same position (Cope).

What is "funny" is we are still looking for a point guard and still looking for a true backup to Melo...

You guys crack me up. There are people on this board who hated the Melo trade since Gallo was included yet we basically have a 7 foot version of Gallo and it's a problem. Letting Lin go to Houston was a bad move but giving Lin $8 mil a year for what is basically Ray Felton production and who happens to make half of what Lin does was a bad move.

Now not offering Cope a contract even though everyone on the face of the earth knew he was worth more on the open market and was basically a goner anyway is a bad move because his per 36 minutes is better than Bargs?

Better then Bargs best season it blows away Bargs last season. Copeland was very productive with his minutes. Bargs is expected to score what 15 in 30 with no defense ,Cope could score 15 in 30 with no defense.Why did we give up 3 draft picks and 4 times the salary per for the same thing

Bargnani can score in the post and from the outside, Copeland cannot. Bargnani can guard bigs better than Copeland. i think people are forgetting Bargnani is a PF/C, not a SF. also, he plays in the post - this isn't a guy who floats around the perimeter. he takes some 3's and can hit the 3, but this guy sets up in the post, draws double teams in the post, etc. copeland does NOT do that.

also, signing Copeland = losing Prigioni.

i'd rather have Pablo and Bargnani than Copeland.

Not necessarily true. Cope said he would have taken a pay cut to sign with the Knicks. The problem is the Knicks never gave him an offer. Hearing what Woody had to say about Cope before the summer league practice I now know why he was never given an offer.

Clean wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

VDesai wrote:Personally I would've offered Cope the full mini MLE and taken my chances at signing Prigs with the veteran min contact or let him walk for another option. I like Prig but Prig is too limited offensively to be the primary backup PG and as a consequence we are still looking for another guy at the PG position.

Yep Copeland was a better player. We still need another PG anyway. Cope was trade able down the line as well

Copeland would have become the fan favorite, because he would have the ball in his hands, but that would take it out of Melo's hands.

I think it is Lin part II. They don't want any competition for Melo, not fan favorites (e.g. Lin) or scoring from the same position (Cope).

What is "funny" is we are still looking for a point guard and still looking for a true backup to Melo...

You guys crack me up. There are people on this board who hated the Melo trade since Gallo was included yet we basically have a 7 foot version of Gallo and it's a problem. Letting Lin go to Houston was a bad move but giving Lin $8 mil a year for what is basically Ray Felton production and who happens to make half of what Lin does was a bad move.

Now not offering Cope a contract even though everyone on the face of the earth knew he was worth more on the open market and was basically a goner anyway is a bad move because his per 36 minutes is better than Bargs?

Better then Bargs best season it blows away Bargs last season. Copeland was very productive with his minutes. Bargs is expected to score what 15 in 30 with no defense ,Cope could score 15 in 30 with no defense.Why did we give up 3 draft picks and 4 times the salary per for the same thing

Bargnani can score in the post and from the outside, Copeland cannot. Bargnani can guard bigs better than Copeland. i think people are forgetting Bargnani is a PF/C, not a SF. also, he plays in the post - this isn't a guy who floats around the perimeter. he takes some 3's and can hit the 3, but this guy sets up in the post, draws double teams in the post, etc. copeland does NOT do that.

also, signing Copeland = losing Prigioni.

i'd rather have Pablo and Bargnani than Copeland.

Not necessarily true. Cope said he would have taken a pay cut to sign with the Knicks. The problem is the Knicks never gave him an offer. Hearing what Woody had to say about Cope before the summer league practice I now know why he was never given an offer.

true. these guys say one thing to media and the reality is another. look what happened to Lin last year. Cope took 2x as much as the Knicks could've paid him. good for him, he got paid. but he's a bench scorer who the coach didn't trust on D.

Grunwald might have felt like the money was better spent on someone Woodson would play. Just wish he hadn't gone to the Pacers, out west instead.

BigSm00th wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

VDesai wrote:Personally I would've offered Cope the full mini MLE and taken my chances at signing Prigs with the veteran min contact or let him walk for another option. I like Prig but Prig is too limited offensively to be the primary backup PG and as a consequence we are still looking for another guy at the PG position.

Yep Copeland was a better player. We still need another PG anyway. Cope was trade able down the line as well

Copeland would have become the fan favorite, because he would have the ball in his hands, but that would take it out of Melo's hands.

I think it is Lin part II. They don't want any competition for Melo, not fan favorites (e.g. Lin) or scoring from the same position (Cope).

What is "funny" is we are still looking for a point guard and still looking for a true backup to Melo...

You guys crack me up. There are people on this board who hated the Melo trade since Gallo was included yet we basically have a 7 foot version of Gallo and it's a problem. Letting Lin go to Houston was a bad move but giving Lin $8 mil a year for what is basically Ray Felton production and who happens to make half of what Lin does was a bad move.

Now not offering Cope a contract even though everyone on the face of the earth knew he was worth more on the open market and was basically a goner anyway is a bad move because his per 36 minutes is better than Bargs?

Better then Bargs best season it blows away Bargs last season. Copeland was very productive with his minutes. Bargs is expected to score what 15 in 30 with no defense ,Cope could score 15 in 30 with no defense.Why did we give up 3 draft picks and 4 times the salary per for the same thing

Bargnani can score in the post and from the outside, Copeland cannot. Bargnani can guard bigs better than Copeland. i think people are forgetting Bargnani is a PF/C, not a SF. also, he plays in the post - this isn't a guy who floats around the perimeter. he takes some 3's and can hit the 3, but this guy sets up in the post, draws double teams in the post, etc. copeland does NOT do that.

also, signing Copeland = losing Prigioni.

i'd rather have Pablo and Bargnani than Copeland.

Well, if it was only Pablo and Bargs vs. Cope, maybe it is closer but it was actually:
Pablo, Bargs Vs. Cope, Novak, Camby, 1st round pick, 2X 2nd round picks. (And I'm not so sure we couldn't have just signed Pablo to a minimum contract or another pg)

Now, maybe the money we saved can be argued, I'm not against that part but the problem is Cope was playing around at Bargs level.
I do have a lot more in the way of expectations for Bargs than Cope though.

playa2 wrote:Watch how Cope flourishes in Indiana with ball movement. SMH

I agree, he is very skilled and improved on his weakness with the assistance of Wallace/Camby and development coaches much during the end of the season in all aspects of his game
Woodson did no appreciate what he brought to the team and while it was obvious that we needed to play him to have a shot to beat Indiana, he missed it
Barg's is taller than him but Copeland proved he could play in a high level in NYK which is not easy to do with limited minutes/opportunities

Copeland was used as a SF/PF in the early part of the season but he lacks speed/quickness/athleticism and flourished while playing PF/C and was able to create for the team from his mismatch that he created as a stretch 4/5 with a mobile PF/C in Martin

As useful as Copeland could help Indiana, as a 40% 3pt sniper, I think he was signed more because he is such a cost efficient/cheap option/ and a efficient player that can counter the size/strength of Indiana's BIGS
He could be a difference maker in a contending team and he showed the ability to improve and work on his weakness's
I don't believe we have seen the best of Copeland yet and if he can improve his speed/quickness he would be even more deadly

playa2 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

playa2 wrote:Watch how Cope flourishes in Indiana with ball movement. SMH

I agree, he is very skilled and improved on his weakness with the assistance of Wallace/Camby and development coaches much during the end of the season in all aspects of his game
Woodson did no appreciate what he brought to the team and while it was obvious that we needed to play him to have a shot to beat Indiana, he missed it
Barg's is taller than him but Copeland proved he could play in a high level in NYK which is not easy to do with limited minutes/opportunities

Copeland was used as a SF/PF in the early part of the season but he lacks speed/quickness/athleticism and flourished while playing PF/C and was able to create for the team from his mismatch that he created as a stretch 4/5 with a mobile PF/C in Martin

As useful as Copeland could help Indiana, as a 40% 3pt sniper, I think he was signed more because he is such a cost efficient/cheap option/ and a efficient player that can counter the size/strength of Indiana's BIGS
He could be a difference maker in a contending team and he showed the ability to improve and work on his weakness's
I don't believe we have seen the best of Copeland yet and if he can improve his speed/quickness he would be even more deadly

Ron Ron, I find that amazing that we see this as fans , but the coach and GM WHO GETS PAID 6 FIGURES to figure out who can help us can't.

I said it prior to the end of the season that Copeland must be utilized eventually to advance in the play offs but feared Woodson would make him rot on the bench even though he played very well in the late stretch at C for us to win 54 games to fill in for Chandler/Martin and gave us a different dynamic with his ability to spread the floor/facilitate/handle the ball/post up/and PLAY OFF THE BALL or/and PLAYING as a TOP 3 option on offense

It is sad, I also have said Melo should play the PF in Dantoni's offense with shooters to spread him out, so he has the ability to facilitate
I also said Lin should have played months before Linsanity because of his ability to penetrate and handle the ball

but here in UK, there are plenty of posters that think they know what they are talking about and find joy in bashing other's here

smackeddog wrote:Reading Woody's comments, it does seem like he didn't like Cope. I know from the practice video, he was a bit lazy in practice and his defense was poor, but it seems like it was something more than that. Strange. Oh well, hopefully he doesn't burn us next time we play the Pacers...

You know it's going to happen!

Lin stunk up the year, then shows up against the Knicks. Cope will be the same. Probably sporadic production throughout the season, but against the Knicks, he'll blow up for 30.