gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Vmart wrote:I'm sure Raptor fans had the same wishful thinking about Barfnani.

He is not a franchise player but he should excel on a good team with players around him. He excelled playing next to Bosh despite The fact they did similar things. They messed a lot better than Melo and amare have

He was a disaster playing next to Bosh and so was the Raptors team. He gave up 7 more points per 100 possessions than he scored, and he was bad in all the nonscoring aspects of the game too.

They made the playoffs

gunsnewing wrote:Would you put all the blame on his shoulders though. I would think making the playoffs as a young player is a pretty good accomplishment. We didn't make the playoffs for 10yrs with veterans

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Would you put all the blame on his shoulders though. I would think making the playoffs as a young player is a pretty good accomplishment. We didn't make the playoffs for 10yrs with veterans

All? No. That's a silly question. The point is that the only thing Bargs has shown in his 7 year career is that even when he's actually healthy, he's a big net negative on the court.

It's in the past. Let's see what this guy does on a real team. It's a lot to ask of a guy who is obviously not a franchise player to be a franchise player. At least here we all know who the alpha dog is and it will be interesting to see what he can do with little pressure. Personally I'm excited to see what he can do. Regardless it's an upgrade over Novak and Camby.

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Would you put all the blame on his shoulders though. I would think making the playoffs as a young player is a pretty good accomplishment. We didn't make the playoffs for 10yrs with veterans

All? No. That's a silly question. The point is that the only thing Bargs has shown in his 7 year career is that even when he's actually healthy, he's a big net negative on the court.

It's in the past. Let's see what this guy does on a real team. It's a lot to ask of a guy who is obviously not a franchise player to be a franchise player. At least here we all know who the alpha dog is and it will be interesting to see what he can do with little pressure. Personally I'm excited to see what he can do. Regardless it's an upgrade over Novak and Camby.

The past is all there ever is when evaluating players. Of course it's in the past!
At best it's ambiguous whether this is a roster upgrade. Almost all the numbers indicate Bargs was the third best player in this trade, although obviously Camby's health is uncertain.

Barg's is easily the best player in this trade. LoL!

CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Would you put all the blame on his shoulders though. I would think making the playoffs as a young player is a pretty good accomplishment. We didn't make the playoffs for 10yrs with veterans

All? No. That's a silly question. The point is that the only thing Bargs has shown in his 7 year career is that even when he's actually healthy, he's a big net negative on the court.

It's in the past. Let's see what this guy does on a real team. It's a lot to ask of a guy who is obviously not a franchise player to be a franchise player. At least here we all know who the alpha dog is and it will be interesting to see what he can do with little pressure. Personally I'm excited to see what he can do. Regardless it's an upgrade over Novak and Camby.

The past is all there ever is when evaluating players. Of course it's in the past!
At best it's ambiguous whether this is a roster upgrade. Almost all the numbers indicate Bargs was the third best player in this trade, although obviously Camby's health is uncertain.

Please tell me you're being sarcastic.

I wish I were. None of the numbers indicate Camby or Novak was even close to the net negative on the court that Bargs was.

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Would you put all the blame on his shoulders though. I would think making the playoffs as a young player is a pretty good accomplishment. We didn't make the playoffs for 10yrs with veterans

All? No. That's a silly question. The point is that the only thing Bargs has shown in his 7 year career is that even when he's actually healthy, he's a big net negative on the court.

It's in the past. Let's see what this guy does on a real team. It's a lot to ask of a guy who is obviously not a franchise player to be a franchise player. At least here we all know who the alpha dog is and it will be interesting to see what he can do with little pressure. Personally I'm excited to see what he can do. Regardless it's an upgrade over Novak and Camby.

The past is all there ever is when evaluating players. Of course it's in the past!
At best it's ambiguous whether this is a roster upgrade. Almost all the numbers indicate Bargs was the third best player in this trade, although obviously Camby's health is uncertain.

Please tell me you're being sarcastic.

I wish I were. None of the numbers indicate Camby or Novak was even close to the net negative on the court that Bargs was.

C'mon we're talking a net negative of 5 points on defense! He's been +3 on offense for his entire career in Toronto which is why I stated the past is the past. I'm not a rocket scientist but I think that is a total negative of 2 points as in 1 hoop/2 free throws.

Chris Bosh was net negative for his first 4 seasons in Toronto. Think that had anything to due with the team he was on?

yellowboy90 wrote:I guess no one should have picked up Andray Blatche and Memphis should have never brought in Randolph. I wonder what would happen to Novak if he started next year at the 3 or 4. Would his numbers go up or down?

THANK YOU!!!!!

Logic > Advanced Stats

yellowboy90 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Would you put all the blame on his shoulders though. I would think making the playoffs as a young player is a pretty good accomplishment. We didn't make the playoffs for 10yrs with veterans

All? No. That's a silly question. The point is that the only thing Bargs has shown in his 7 year career is that even when he's actually healthy, he's a big net negative on the court.

It's in the past. Let's see what this guy does on a real team. It's a lot to ask of a guy who is obviously not a franchise player to be a franchise player. At least here we all know who the alpha dog is and it will be interesting to see what he can do with little pressure. Personally I'm excited to see what he can do. Regardless it's an upgrade over Novak and Camby.

The past is all there ever is when evaluating players. Of course it's in the past!
At best it's ambiguous whether this is a roster upgrade. Almost all the numbers indicate Bargs was the third best player in this trade, although obviously Camby's health is uncertain.

Please tell me you're being sarcastic.

I wish I were. None of the numbers indicate Camby or Novak was even close to the net negative on the court that Bargs was.

C'mon we're talking a net negative of 5 points on defense! He's been +3 on offense for his entire career in Toronto which is why I stated the past is the past. I'm not a rocket scientist but I think that is a total negative of 2 points as in 1 hoop/2 free throws.

Chris Bosh was net negative for his first 4 seasons in Toronto. Think that had anything to due with the team he was on?

where are you getting your Bosh numbers? That seems off

Basketballreference.com

loweyecue wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Maybe 20 & 8 is high with Amare there but I will take 17&7 48% in an intrigal role. Keith van horn with more balls

He has never averaged more than 5 boards a game. I'll just take some in the post scoring mixed up with long range shooting and a ball movement offense. Heck I would take the winning ticket on the powerball too.

If you don't hit the jackpot put hit for $10gran wouldn't you be happy?

loweyecue wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Maybe 20 & 8 is high with Amare there but I will take 17&7 48% in an intrigal role. Keith van horn with more balls

He has never averaged more than 5 boards a game. I'll just take some in the post scoring mixed up with long range shooting and a ball movement offense. Heck I would take the winning ticket on the powerball too.