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NardDogNation
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7/3/2013  3:35 PM
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jrodmc wrote:Did I just read Shump for Iggy?
Doesn't even the mention of trading Shump get you the automatic UK ban for life?


How swiftly things change over the course of an off season. We're essentially talking about trading a yoot to Denver for an aging "scorer".
I cannot understand why the MeloHate Somber contingent is not lighting this thread on fire.

And let's not forget, Iggy shoots a blistering .419 in the playoffs.

Iggy. We talkin bout Iggy?

You finally get a knick with the right attitude. A throwback knick from the 90s and people can't wait to get rid of him for other teams castoffs again. Can't make it up


Since when are dudes just two seasons removed from an allstar appearance, considered castoffs?
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7/3/2013  3:40 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I don't think he walks. My concern is that he comes back and is a starter. JR is not reliable enough to be your second option. Sixth man suits him and you play him with the knowledge that he might not heat up some nights. Bargs needs to be the second option and Smith needs to be the sixth man. He has too much talent and the Knicks can't use his salary on anyone else so I think they have to find away to get him back. He is too much of a wild card to be the starting two guard though.

I hope JR doesn't include starting as part of the deal for his coming back. Smith might argue that he's taking less money so the Knicks should do something in return. Hope it doesn't happen for the reasons you listed. The more balanced a scoring attack we have the less we will be putting the team's fortunes on whether or not JR can keep it together.


I'd bite the bullet and let him start if that is what it takes to keep him. He's too good a value player to let him walk over trivial stuff like that. Especially with him under contract, we can bench him later in the season for "team chemistry". If he becomes a problem, trade him for some assets. Problem solved

Nothing trivial about who is in the starting lineup. There is a reason why JR has never been a starter in his career. The same reason he melted down in the playoffs. With JR on the bench Melo gets a chance to get going, then JR is brought in and takes over the offense when Melo sits, worked out great during the regular season. Don't want to mess up a good thing just to keep JR happy, not after the way the season ended.


John Starks was just as streaky (minus the highs) and he mostly started for us. I get what you're saying though and respectfully disagree with it. Our only focus should be to get him under contract by any means necessary. Once that is accomplished, we can deal with that matter later.


We witnessed in 94' what happens when you put too much faith in a streaky shooter.

Smith excelled because Woodson gave him carte blanche to do whatever he wanted on the floor when Melo sat. Will Woodson give him that same latitude as a starter? Feels like an "if ain't broke, don't fix it" situation.

Lets say we give him lip service about starting and Smith gets sent to the bench because he's in a slump. I honestly don't know how Smith would handle it. Its not like he's been a paragon of maturity over the years.

I'm not as enthused about bringing Smith back as you are so I'm not as willing to make concessions. If he does come back I'd like for him to be where he thrived last season. To be fair, I would let him start a few games in the preseason and see how things go but no guarantees of starting. We have a bunch of new players coming in, lets see how the pieces fit first before guaranteeing him the starter's job.


Starks choked in the '94 Finals but we would've never made the Finals without him. Same deal with Smith. There is a reason why he is getting so much attention as a FA and it is because he is a positive sum player. If all it takes to retain him is $5.3million/yr he could very well be the best value player in the league and at the very least, a trade chip to improve the team.

JR being so unpredictable is why I don't want him to have an outsized role next season like he did last season. It was a necessity last season with all the injuries, but next season I'm hoping that we won't have to rely on him so much.

You have a better chance seeing ALLAN HERNADEZ playing for New England this season, then watching a injury free knick roster for more then a week..

I'm confident that it won't be as bad as last season. Shump will get more minutes now that he is 100 percent, Bargs will help keep Stat's minutes down, Tyson will have more help in the paint, be it Brand, Kmart(played only 18 games in the regular season), or someone else. We also might be getting more help at PG with Brooks or another player.

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7/3/2013  3:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2013  3:53 PM
Never been a been a big JR Smith fan. Even though he had a great regular season its tough to ever forgive him for the crap he pulled in the post season. Anyway I think JR Smith will be back even though he might make more money elsewhere. Woodson is the only coach that has every gotten through to JR Smith at least somewhat
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7/3/2013  4:26 PM
It seems like JR is coming back and that places he might have ended up are getting other guys. I wonder if the Knicks structure his deal so that it is 2015 cap friendly.
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7/3/2013  4:37 PM
Bucks just signed OJ mayo. to come off the bench in Milwaukee I rather come off the bench in ny
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7/3/2013  4:48 PM
CrushAlot wrote:It seems like JR is coming back and that places he might have ended up are getting other guys. I wonder if the Knicks structure his deal so that it is 2015 cap friendly.

We're not out of the woods yet. The Bucks still need to replace Monta. But yeah, things are looking better.
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7/3/2013  6:46 PM
3 year deal with a low cap number in 2015 would be Great

Add Tyler Hansbrough and we as good as anyone in the East

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7/3/2013  7:31 PM
There is no demand for JR Smith people need to know Gms don't want to put up with his antics.
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7/3/2013  7:51 PM
Vmart wrote:There is no demand for JR Smith people need to know Gms don't want to put up with his antics.
Im not even excited if he comes back. I mean his antics in the playoffs really cost us bigtime
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7/3/2013  9:37 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Never been a been a big JR Smith fan. Even though he had a great regular season its tough to ever forgive him for the crap he pulled in the post season. Anyway I think JR Smith will be back even though he might make more money elsewhere. Woodson is the only coach that has every gotten through to JR Smith at least somewhat

Woodson gave him carte blanche to shoot - not sure I would call that as getting through to him.

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7/3/2013  9:41 PM
loweyecue wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Never been a been a big JR Smith fan. Even though he had a great regular season its tough to ever forgive him for the crap he pulled in the post season. Anyway I think JR Smith will be back even though he might make more money elsewhere. Woodson is the only coach that has every gotten through to JR Smith at least somewhat

Woodson gave him carte blanche to shoot - not sure I would call that as getting through to him.

I agree you are right. Thats how bad the situation is with JR
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7/4/2013  9:31 AM
JR's dad said he's taking a couple more days to feel out the market...

In today's NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/sports/basketball/knicks-and-nets-plans-complicated-by-suddenly-expensive-wing-players.html?ref=sports

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7/4/2013  9:43 AM
Nice hopefully some moronic gm comes in Morey style and fubars the Knicks plans and offers him $8-10 per for
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7/4/2013  9:48 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I don't think he walks. My concern is that he comes back and is a starter. JR is not reliable enough to be your second option. Sixth man suits him and you play him with the knowledge that he might not heat up some nights. Bargs needs to be the second option and Smith needs to be the sixth man. He has too much talent and the Knicks can't use his salary on anyone else so I think they have to find away to get him back. He is too much of a wild card to be the starting two guard though.

I hope JR doesn't include starting as part of the deal for his coming back. Smith might argue that he's taking less money so the Knicks should do something in return. Hope it doesn't happen for the reasons you listed. The more balanced a scoring attack we have the less we will be putting the team's fortunes on whether or not JR can keep it together.


I'd bite the bullet and let him start if that is what it takes to keep him. He's too good a value player to let him walk over trivial stuff like that. Especially with him under contract, we can bench him later in the season for "team chemistry". If he becomes a problem, trade him for some assets. Problem solved


With the way Woodson handled the subs, it felt like JR was a starter anyway. I dont see how him just starting the game is any different when he was subbed in so quickly.
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7/4/2013  9:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/4/2013  10:00 AM
TeamBall wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I don't think he walks. My concern is that he comes back and is a starter. JR is not reliable enough to be your second option. Sixth man suits him and you play him with the knowledge that he might not heat up some nights. Bargs needs to be the second option and Smith needs to be the sixth man. He has too much talent and the Knicks can't use his salary on anyone else so I think they have to find away to get him back. He is too much of a wild card to be the starting two guard though.

I hope JR doesn't include starting as part of the deal for his coming back. Smith might argue that he's taking less money so the Knicks should do something in return. Hope it doesn't happen for the reasons you listed. The more balanced a scoring attack we have the less we will be putting the team's fortunes on whether or not JR can keep it together.


I'd bite the bullet and let him start if that is what it takes to keep him. He's too good a value player to let him walk over trivial stuff like that. Especially with him under contract, we can bench him later in the season for "team chemistry". If he becomes a problem, trade him for some assets. Problem solved


With the way Woodson handled the subs, it felt like JR was a starter anyway. I dont see how him just starting the game is any different when he was subbed in so quickly.

Ego inflation. The last thing we need is more ego inflation with JR Smith. He won the 6th man of the year award and shut it down as the pinnacle of his career. I dont mind keeping him around until the 2015-16 season but longer then 2 years is not worth it. Its unforgivable how he acted during the playoffs. Im surprised a coach of a team would want him back in the 1st place. I bet teams dont even want him but want to F up are future cap space or they know they can steal 3 picks from us to take his contract in a year

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7/4/2013  10:28 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I don't think he walks. My concern is that he comes back and is a starter. JR is not reliable enough to be your second option. Sixth man suits him and you play him with the knowledge that he might not heat up some nights. Bargs needs to be the second option and Smith needs to be the sixth man. He has too much talent and the Knicks can't use his salary on anyone else so I think they have to find away to get him back. He is too much of a wild card to be the starting two guard though.

I hope JR doesn't include starting as part of the deal for his coming back. Smith might argue that he's taking less money so the Knicks should do something in return. Hope it doesn't happen for the reasons you listed. The more balanced a scoring attack we have the less we will be putting the team's fortunes on whether or not JR can keep it together.


I'd bite the bullet and let him start if that is what it takes to keep him. He's too good a value player to let him walk over trivial stuff like that. Especially with him under contract, we can bench him later in the season for "team chemistry". If he becomes a problem, trade him for some assets. Problem solved


With the way Woodson handled the subs, it felt like JR was a starter anyway. I dont see how him just starting the game is any different when he was subbed in so quickly.

Ego inflation. The last thing we need is more ego inflation with JR Smith. He won the 6th man of the year award and shut it down as the pinnacle of his career. I dont mind keeping him around until the 2015-16 season but longer then 2 years is not worth it. Its unforgivable how he acted during the playoffs. Im surprised a coach of a team would want him back in the 1st place. I bet teams dont even want him but want to F up are future cap space or they know they can steal 3 picks from us to take his contract in a year


I definitely agree with this but Woodson is strangely the one that wants him coming off the bench and has been very stern about it. So at least theres that. Really dont care for his little brother tagging along as well.
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