ruruland
July 1, 2013 at 12:28 am

AB’s Synergy numbers on offense prior to the last two seasons are excellent, if he can just bounce back to those two years, with a change of role and shot distribution, his efficiency will look excellent, with his low turnovers he’d certainly be better than Copeland last year.

In 2010-11 he was 48th in isolations, 48th in post-ups, 46th off screens (great for a big man), and 38th as a roll man (great in pick and pop, 37 % from 3). He shot a respectable 40 % in spot-up situations, but is a guy who likely gets his shooting rhythm while on the move.

Ok, so why was his efficiency middling?
39 percent of his shots came in isolations and post-ups, so even thought he was proficient in both, they pulled his numbers down quite a bit. His usage was 28.

As as point of reference, 48 % of Melo’s shots come in isolation or post-ups, which is about the only way any player who isn’t in a fastbreak system can sustain 35 % usage.

In 2009-10 when he had a 8.8 tov rating and 55 TS, he ranked 56th in post-ups, 64th as a roll man (40 % from 3), 58th in spot-ups (42 % from 3pt for a 7-footer!!) 58th in cuts and 20th in offensive rebound efficiency.

That’s outstanding. With a dramatically reduced burden, the knicks can employ Bargnani in optimal situations — if he doesn’t have an advantage against a slow big man or small wing man, he can play pick and pop or spot-up and space the court.

Clearly he is one of the mast versatile offensive bigs in the game, how he is utilized and how his shots are apportioned will largely determine how his numbers look.

If he’s healthy he can surely return to the form he had for four years, and he won’t be in a situation where he’ll have to force anything (hopefully).

Hard to stay motivated when you know franchise motto is their fans get to see great players on other teams live.
Toronto has a way of making good players give up, remember Vince Carter ?

V. Carter plays harder in Dallas as an older vet than he did in Toronto when he realized they were just using him to draw fans , never really wanting to continue to win in his seasons playing there.

nixluva wrote:We're not bringing him in to rebound. I forgot to mention his high BB IQ. This guy can do a lot more than some are willing to admit. He's not a terrible defender either. People just like to say he is, but he's not. He's got pretty good lateral quickness for a guy that big. The only real knock is rebounding. I can live with that if he at least gives a great effort from now on. If he can get it up to 7 rebs a game I can live with it.

Bet a lot you forgot how good he was.

Once again Knicks fans NEED to accept a guys limitations. He is an upgrade over Novak because he can create his own shot and Camby...he was likely going to give us NOTHING so, I like.

There pick was not a difference maker and Dolan has shown that he can an will buy 2nd round draft picks so, they are no loss either.

nixluva wrote:

sidsanders wrote:to be fair, he hasnt avg more than 5 defensive rbs. he has gone over 5 total 4 times... not by much though.

his best scoring avg occurred once bosh was gone, so i dont expect the guy to avg high teens or more playing here. if he does, thats nice. i think what you see is what you get with this guy. he wont be a main force grabbing rbs, or elite on d. lots of ifs around this guy like most other underachieving lotto picks.

One of his problems is that he's on the perimeter so much that he's not getting a lot of offensive rebound opportunities. He's gonna have to be used closer to the basket more often in order to increase those numbers. It's hard to be out at the 3pt line and still get offensive rebounds. To get a couple more defensive boards is gonna take hard work, boxing out and hitting the gym. The thing is he's not here to be at big time rebounder. He's here to stretch the floor and open things up for Melo and our guards. People wanna act like they don't know that.

which can be effective because he will draw a big away from the basket

Its a low risk proposal type trade that could be really good for us. This is a big 7 footer who won't rebound much and won't be a candidate for defensive player of the year but brings some firepower to the court.

I was unsure about how I felt about it but knowing how wrong most fans are about these things and after reading the comments on the UK I am more encouraged about the trade now.

nixluva wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:also 43% is approaching elite around here to some.

What they don't mention is that Bargs shot better than that in the 3 yrs before the last 2 when he was injured. He's much more efficient than people are trying to promote in order to bash him. He played 31 and 35 games in the last 2 seasons and wasn't healthy obviously. People can promote those shooting numbers if they want but it's really just being cute with the stats.

You are accusing people of being cute with the stats to promote their own agenda while you are being cute with the stats to promote your agenda. The irony is delicious

No i'm being realistic. We all know that most players improve over their rookie and sophomore seasons and Bargs clearly did improve. Only the last 2 years where only played 31 and 35 games did his number drop, which is understandable. You wanna pretend that he's really that player then go ahead but I know you wouldn't place any money on him being that bad when he's healthy. Like any player it always comes down to health. Bargs can produce the scoring we need when healthy. From what i've heard he's healthy now. He's not coming off any surgery so I would expect him to have a bounce back year.

I think these guys are right though. You are choosing to ignore the stats that don't fit your theory (rookie and sophomore year, overall career numbers) and only focusing on the three slightly above average years the guy had. This is the most dangerous way to misuse statistics IMO.

Knixkik wrote:To me we got back our Gallinari. Gallinari is a better all-around player, but Bargnani has proven more as a scorer, is a little more efficient scorer, and bigger.

Exactly

Bargnani is a bargain.

Clyde will have fun with pronunciation.

We just got younger. Glen Grunwald knows what he is doing.

I have no faith in a guy that thinks it's smart to buy out a point guard to sign a limited player and allow a team to start toney douglas at the point guard spot. that's what we are dealing with.

This is the same guy that gave massive deals to aaron williams, jerome williams and maxed out antonio davis. The NBA is amazing.