VCoug wrote:I don't understand how some people consider him a good shooter when he shot 37% and 28% from 3 the last two seasons. And, way more concerning, he shot 69% and 71% from the FT line. How can a shooter be so terrible on FT?

Kawhi Leonard says there are exceptions. I get what you are saying though

Rather have traded out of the first round all together.

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I've been watching this kid a lot this yr, and this was a very solid pick..I even started a thread about drafting him or seth curry..I really don't see why anyone would be disappointed, they worked him, they scouted him heavy, and he fits the system...This a role play draft to begin with, not to mention he came from a good program that has produce a lot of good players..

sounds like the same response when we drafted shump, grumbling and doubts

I think many fans look for the splashy player every draft. They ignore that the boring guys that the Spurs and Pacers draft end up being much better than predicted. Often times players are more suited to the NBA than the college game and they blossom when they get in the pros.

(Article)

"he scored 14 points a game on a very talented team, blended in well, has a good understanding of the game, dad has played pro ball, is an above average athlete with solid size at his position, plays hard, works hard in the offseason, crafty, and is the consummate professional.

I just feel he does not have glaring weaknesses such as youth/immaturity of a Ricky Ledo, being a jump shooter only such as Caldwell-Pope, or limited athletic ability such as Sergey Karasev."

"While Hardaway Jr. does not create off the dribble like a Ricky Ledo, he can do it in spurts.

While he is not a pure shooter such as a Karasev, he is a solid shooter on high volume. He does many things above average and has room for improvement and is a good athlete. While many observers might see his stats and ask where is the improvement, sometimes to me it is what you might see in game tape and see in personal interviews.

I think Hardaway Jr. with the right team might be one of the top 10 players to come out of this draft."

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-bulls-confidential/2013/06/draft-profiles-tim-hardaway-jr-66-200-lbs-sg-michigan/

I love this pick he can easily match or be better than JKid already! Great pick!

Osiris wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I've been watching this kid a lot this yr, and this was a very solid pick..I even started a thread about drafting him or seth curry..I really don't see why anyone would be disappointed, they worked him, they scouted him heavy, and he fits the system...This a role play draft to begin with, not to mention he came from a good program that has produce a lot of good players..

sounds like the same response when we drafted shump, grumbling and doubts

I think many fans look for the splashy player every draft. They ignore that the boring guys that the Spurs and Pacers draft end up being much better than predicted. Often times players are more suited to the NBA than the college game and they blossom when they get in the pros.

(Article)

"he scored 14 points a game on a very talented team, blended in well, has a good understanding of the game, dad has played pro ball, is an above average athlete with solid size at his position, plays hard, works hard in the offseason, crafty, and is the consummate professional.

I just feel he does not have glaring weaknesses such as youth/immaturity of a Ricky Ledo, being a jump shooter only such as Caldwell-Pope, or limited athletic ability such as Sergey Karasev."

"While Hardaway Jr. does not create off the dribble like a Ricky Ledo, he can do it in spurts.

While he is not a pure shooter such as a Karasev, he is a solid shooter on high volume. He does many things above average and has room for improvement and is a good athlete. While many observers might see his stats and ask where is the improvement, sometimes to me it is what you might see in game tape and see in personal interviews.

I think Hardaway Jr. with the right team might be one of the top 10 players to come out of this draft."

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-bulls-confidential/2013/06/draft-profiles-tim-hardaway-jr-66-200-lbs-sg-michigan/

I love this pick he can easily match or be better than JKid already! Great pick!

Really? Being better than someone who put 6 pts and 3 ast while shooting 37% fg and 35% 3fg and who didn't score a point in 10 straight playoff games to end is career is the bar for a great pick?

AnubisADL wrote:Uh no. This is a typical short sighted draft pick. Of course Tim Hardaway will likely be able to give us minutes next year. The problem is are ultra thin and heavily reliant on Melo putting up points. Melo is almost 30.

Rather have traded out of the first round all together.

You're assuming that was an option. I think Grunwald found out that teams just didn't want to do a deal with us. I have to believe they looked into trying to get a pick. I'm guessing the Knicks will be looking to bring in a lot of undrafted players and D League players. They don't have a lot of options. Hardaway was a solid pick. Perhaps not spectacular, but you pretty much know what he is and that he'll be able to contribute. He's a legit NBA player. T Jr. will likely be a faster, more athletic Martell Webster. I think he'll be able to defend better and drive and finish better than Webster on the NBA level. Last yr. in 29 mpg Webster was 11.4 ppg, 3.9 rebs and 1.9 asts. I think T Jr. can be more productive than that.

AnubisADL wrote:

blkexec wrote:"My impressions are that Hardaway Jr. is going to be a steal if taken in late first-round. He might not be as good of a shooter as a player such as McLemore or Bullock, as much of a creator such as Ledo, as hard-nose of a defender or freak athlete as Oladipo, but Hardaway Jr. does many things solidly on top of being a clutch shooter. To me combined with his knowledge of the game from his own learning and from his dad and being the ultimate team player, he could be a very good player for a team such as the Spurs or Bulls!"

We needed someone who can create a shot. Plain and simple. Knicks arent winning a championship next year. We arent the Miami Heat.

Im over the pick at this point. Hopefully we make some small trades to bring in help.

As far as management is concerned, we will always compete for a championship. Hardaway is the opposite of JR, but has the same catch and shoot offense you need around Melo. Me personally, I like his maturity, and focus. He wants to get better, adn his dad will not allow him to fail. Can't ask for a safer pick, while adding cheap pieces to fill a void. JR, Cop, Pablo, Kidd.....4 possible guards we could lose this year.

I've said this before....We have too many one on one players. Thats why the ball is always sticking. 1st Melo, then JR, then Amari....next is Cope off the bench. You need more balance.....

Catch and shoot players help create spacing and ball movement. The two things we needed on offense. I hope we don't sign JR. Add more pieces through free agency!

This team WITH Kidd, Prigs, and Smith looked done before Melo went on a tear to end the season.

Lets keep it real.

blkexec wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

blkexec wrote:"My impressions are that Hardaway Jr. is going to be a steal if taken in late first-round. He might not be as good of a shooter as a player such as McLemore or Bullock, as much of a creator such as Ledo, as hard-nose of a defender or freak athlete as Oladipo, but Hardaway Jr. does many things solidly on top of being a clutch shooter. To me combined with his knowledge of the game from his own learning and from his dad and being the ultimate team player, he could be a very good player for a team such as the Spurs or Bulls!"

We needed someone who can create a shot. Plain and simple. Knicks arent winning a championship next year. We arent the Miami Heat.

Im over the pick at this point. Hopefully we make some small trades to bring in help.

As far as management is concerned, we will always compete for a championship. Hardaway is the opposite of JR, but has the same catch and shoot offense you need around Melo. Me personally, I like his maturity, and focus. He wants to get better, adn his dad will not allow him to fail. Can't ask for a safer pick, while adding cheap pieces to fill a void. JR, Cop, Pablo, Kidd.....4 possible guards we could lose this year.

I've said this before....We have too many one on one players. Thats why the ball is always sticking. 1st Melo, then JR, then Amari....next is Cope off the bench. You need more balance.....

Catch and shoot players help create spacing and ball movement. The two things we needed on offense. I hope we don't sign JR. Add more pieces through free agency!

Tim definitely won't be out partying late during the playoffs or getting suspended while giving a dead opponent second life. Loving this pick even more