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6/26/2013  12:31 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Ha, looks like a taller version of Hubert Davis with his mechanics. I'd have no problem drafting him. At the very least, he can be as good as Danny Green.

You do realize Danny Green was a 2nd round pick to Cleveland and they dumped him soon after? You dont draft Danny Green with the 24th pick man.

I'm sorry, but I gonna hold off before I use Cleveland's management as a model for anything. With the 24th pick, I think you're lucky if you draft a guy who is a solid fit in your rotation. I'm confident Bullock can play in the league, which isn't something I can say about a lot of the other guys who might be available. I have no problem gambling on talents like Ledo and Archie Goodwin. But those guys aren't a guarantee to play more than three years. For every Kobe Bryant that hits, there are plenty of Deshawn Stevensons who don't pan out.

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6/26/2013  12:51 PM
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Sangfroid wrote:With the 24th pick....Mike Muscala! We have NO draft pick in 2014. We have the very fragile big man corps of Chandler, Amar'e, Camby and maybe Jerome Jordan. We need to at least match the Pacers in size, if not surpass them. Muscala gives us a versatile 4/5 who can grow into either role as a PF or a center. If any of our bigs go down, he should be an adequate replacement. Ideally, we can scoop up a 2nd round pick and address another need (backup PG, wing defender) later in the draft. I also believe a serviceable player can be culled from the D-League or vet's minimum. BTW, when do the Knicks stop bleeding draft picks?

If Muscala is as good as some you guys claim he should go way before we pick.

Dude must not be beasting in workouts.

So many bigs go bust it's not funny. Cole Aldrich, Jordan Hill, Thabeet.

Any big we get at 24 isn't likely to do much for us next year. As an NBA big you have to have the physical tools.

Ryan Anderson got traded to the Magic from the Nets and the Magic didnt want to pay him.

We're taking a shot on a mid-major talent. His skillset translates to a good, NBA type. Plays decent D. Uses either hand going to the hole. Has a good jumper, inside of the 3 point line. The knock on him is strength and competing at the next level. My knowledge of him goes as far as the draft sites and videos, but I'm seeing a nice upside.

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6/26/2013  12:51 PM
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AnubisADL wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Ha, looks like a taller version of Hubert Davis with his mechanics. I'd have no problem drafting him. At the very least, he can be as good as Danny Green.

You do realize Danny Green was a 2nd round pick to Cleveland and they dumped him soon after? You dont draft Danny Green with the 24th pick man.

I'm sorry, but I gonna hold off before I use Cleveland's management as a model for anything. With the 24th pick, I think you're lucky if you draft a guy who is a solid fit in your rotation. I'm confident Bullock can play in the league, which isn't something I can say about a lot of the other guys who might be available. I have no problem gambling on talents like Ledo and Archie Goodwin. But those guys aren't a guarantee to play more than three years. For every Kobe Bryant that hits, there are plenty of Deshawn Stevensons who don't pan out.

I dont think Ledo is the next Kobe, Durant, or Joe Johnson.

If we can get Jamal Crawford at 24 then that is a STEAL.

At worse next year he could be a shooter off the bench.

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6/26/2013  12:54 PM
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Sangfroid wrote:With the 24th pick....Mike Muscala! We have NO draft pick in 2014. We have the very fragile big man corps of Chandler, Amar'e, Camby and maybe Jerome Jordan. We need to at least match the Pacers in size, if not surpass them. Muscala gives us a versatile 4/5 who can grow into either role as a PF or a center. If any of our bigs go down, he should be an adequate replacement. Ideally, we can scoop up a 2nd round pick and address another need (backup PG, wing defender) later in the draft. I also believe a serviceable player can be culled from the D-League or vet's minimum. BTW, when do the Knicks stop bleeding draft picks?

If Muscala is as good as some you guys claim he should go way before we pick.

Dude must not be beasting in workouts.

So many bigs go bust it's not funny. Cole Aldrich, Jordan Hill, Thabeet.

Any big we get at 24 isn't likely to do much for us next year. As an NBA big you have to have the physical tools.

Ryan Anderson got traded to the Magic from the Nets and the Magic didnt want to pay him.

The only reason he is going 24-34 is his weight -- that is easily correctable. Hes still the best rebounder in the draft. There are few near 7 footers with his skill sets available that late--can anyone here name one player that was a 7 foot player who avg nearly 20-10 in college who went after 24?

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6/26/2013  1:00 PM
BRIGGS wrote:The only reason he is going 24-34 is his weight -- that is easily correctable. Hes still the best rebounder in the draft. There are few near 7 footers with his skill sets available that late--can anyone here name one player that was a 7 foot player who avg nearly 20-10 in college who went after 24?

We have no idea how packing on 15-20 pounds will effect him. He may no longer be quick enough to play PF at a heavier weight.

Bynum packed on the weight and his knees disintegrated. Bosh packed on the weight and had issues with his knee.

I dont see the problem with his weight if he players PF. The problem is his lack of strength. Easy to look good when you are bigger than everyone else. That will not be the case in the NBA.

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6/26/2013  2:03 PM
I'd go with Ricky Ledo over any other proven quantity. With the existing landscape in the Eastern Conference, a few more role players aren't going to put the Knicks over the top to win it all. I think Ledo is a complete hit or miss prospect without the in between. He is talented, but the question marks remain about his head. I think passing on Ledo (if he is available) is tantamount to a condemnation of the ability of the veterans and Mike Woodson to nurture a young player in need of guidance. Perhaps this team does not need a loose cannon, but given the approach that Woodson has taken with JR Smith, I would give him that mentor role with Ledo. The upside is there and if I am looking three years out, I like the idea of Shump Shump and Ledo being at the core of the team when it is time to re-build. At the same time, if stars align and Ledo performs immediately, we potentially have another big piece of the puzzle. The downside risk of his failure is not that great since my gut is that this team needs to add a big piece to the team to compete with Miami, Indiana, Oklahoma, LAC, SA, etc... Adding another role player will not put us over the top. I'd use this pick on Ledo and see what he can do.
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6/26/2013  2:57 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:I'd go with Ricky Ledo over any other proven quantity. With the existing landscape in the Eastern Conference, a few more role players aren't going to put the Knicks over the top to win it all. I think Ledo is a complete hit or miss prospect without the in between. He is talented, but the question marks remain about his head. I think passing on Ledo (if he is available) is tantamount to a condemnation of the ability of the veterans and Mike Woodson to nurture a young player in need of guidance. Perhaps this team does not need a loose cannon, but given the approach that Woodson has taken with JR Smith, I would give him that mentor role with Ledo. The upside is there and if I am looking three years out, I like the idea of Shump Shump and Ledo being at the core of the team when it is time to re-build. At the same time, if stars align and Ledo performs immediately, we potentially have another big piece of the puzzle. The downside risk of his failure is not that great since my gut is that this team needs to add a big piece to the team to compete with Miami, Indiana, Oklahoma, LAC, SA, etc... Adding another role player will not put us over the top. I'd use this pick on Ledo and see what he can do.

I agree. Might as well swing for the fences on this pick assuming Ledo's skills were at a high level at the Knick's workout.
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6/26/2013  4:38 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:I'd go with Ricky Ledo over any other proven quantity. With the existing landscape in the Eastern Conference, a few more role players aren't going to put the Knicks over the top to win it all. I think Ledo is a complete hit or miss prospect without the in between. He is talented, but the question marks remain about his head. I think passing on Ledo (if he is available) is tantamount to a condemnation of the ability of the veterans and Mike Woodson to nurture a young player in need of guidance. Perhaps this team does not need a loose cannon, but given the approach that Woodson has taken with JR Smith, I would give him that mentor role with Ledo. The upside is there and if I am looking three years out, I like the idea of Shump Shump and Ledo being at the core of the team when it is time to re-build. At the same time, if stars align and Ledo performs immediately, we potentially have another big piece of the puzzle. The downside risk of his failure is not that great since my gut is that this team needs to add a big piece to the team to compete with Miami, Indiana, Oklahoma, LAC, SA, etc... Adding another role player will not put us over the top. I'd use this pick on Ledo and see what he can do.

Ledo missed all of last season because of academic issues after bouncing around several high schools. There are legitimate concerns about Ledo's maturity, and several executives have told me that they fear how outside influences will affect his career.

If Jr Smith 9 yrs in have problems in NYC what about Ledo

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6/26/2013  5:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2013  5:14 PM
A pre-draft workout for Ledo last year vs John Wall. He more than holds his own. He also is 20 years old - will be 21 in Sept which I think is a plus. Perhaps he has matured. That is the question. However, the talent is there.

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6/26/2013  5:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2013  5:51 PM
Markji wrote:A pre-draft workout for Ledo last year vs John Wall. He more than holds his own. He also is 20 years old - will be 21 in Sept which I think is a plus. Perhaps he has matured. That is the question. However, the talent is there.

Two things:
1) A silky smooth jumper
2) He has no problem staying in front of the lightning quick, John Wall

PS The ease that he took Jameer Nelson with is why I don't want any "6 foot" PGs. We definitely need another draft pick

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6/26/2013  5:54 PM
to be honest this is a pretty weak draft class. However im hoping we do what the the spurs normally do and make a very good late first round pick. Im hoping someone falls to us
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6/27/2013  7:00 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/27/2013  7:04 AM
My first 2 choices are Larkin; then Ledo. I doubt if Larkin is there for us at pick#24. Another point guard of interest is Lorenzo Brown, NC State. He seems to be in the same mold as Shump 2 years ago for his draft night. A bit of a sleeper - projected end of 1st or beginning of 2nd round. Shooting questionable but great Defense. 6'5". A natural passer rather than a shooter. Something we need and want from a PG. He is also a junior - so a little older (23 in August) and has more experience. Something we have been targetting with our draft picks.

Lorenzo Brown -
"After a strong workout with the Knicks earlier this month, the team was impressed with Brown's unique versatility at the point guard position, especially standing at 6-foot-5. Last season for the Wolfpack, he averaged 12.4 points, 7.2 assists, 4.3 rebounds and 2.0 steals per game. While his pick-and-roll game needs work, he's athletic and crafty enough with his dribble to get into the paint and score or make heads-up passes. That athleticism also allows him to push the ball well in transition -- which the Knicks want to do more next season -- and enables him to throw down offensive putback dunks.

Defensively, Brown has a high basketball IQ and he plays passing lanes well. When he steals the ball, he has the ability to be a one-man fast break, while having a solid read on the entire court. Being that the Knicks look for transition 3-pointers, Brown could be a helpful facilitator in that regard. However, his own 3-point shooting is weak at this point, but his playing style in college was more of a penetrator and passer -- two priorities for the Knicks who need to get younger, more explosive and improve their scoring inside."

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/tag/_/name/lorenzo-brown

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6/27/2013  8:47 AM
One great thing about tonight's draft is that the organization FINALLY did not broadcast to the world who it is they are interested in. I feel that always works against them. Keep your options open!
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6/27/2013  8:59 AM
Panos wrote:One great thing about tonight's draft is that the organization FINALLY did not broadcast to the world who it is they are interested in. I feel that always works against them. Keep your options open!

theres still about 12 hours bro, give it time.. lol

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6/27/2013  9:33 AM
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I like Jamaal Franklin's motor. The NBA season is long. Shumpert and Franklin in the backcourt.

I really hope they take him... he has the work ethic, he has improved his assists and defense dramatically in a short period of time. He can create and adjust shots under the basket and while driving, he actually has a quick release off the dribble, could be the reason why he can draw so many fouls off his fakes. He has a high rebound and blocks rate for a SG. He makes great passes. Great athleticism. Will win you ball games. Im sure he will improve his spot up shooting like he did everything else and improve his shot selection and turnovers (most of which are because of his shot selection) This guy has heart. This guy could be one of the top 5 players to come out this draft. Its not easy finding a player with such all around talent.

Shumpert and Franklin definitely would be amazing in the backcourt. Let JR go.
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6/27/2013  10:11 AM
wow was reading some stats on centers on draftexpress, one name keeps rising to the top is briggs boy mike muscala.i know its just stats and he didn't face major competition and these dont mean he will be a good pro but he led in per rating,usuage,rebounds,assists,free tghrow aTTEMPTS very good find briggs
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6/27/2013  10:47 AM
Markji wrote:My first 2 choices are Larkin; then Ledo. I doubt if Larkin is there for us at pick#24. Another point guard of interest is Lorenzo Brown, NC State. He seems to be in the same mold as Shump 2 years ago for his draft night. A bit of a sleeper - projected end of 1st or beginning of 2nd round. Shooting questionable but great Defense. 6'5". A natural passer rather than a shooter. Something we need and want from a PG. He is also a junior - so a little older (23 in August) and has more experience. Something we have been targetting with our draft picks.

Lorenzo Brown -
"After a strong workout with the Knicks earlier this month, the team was impressed with Brown's unique versatility at the point guard position, especially standing at 6-foot-5. Last season for the Wolfpack, he averaged 12.4 points, 7.2 assists, 4.3 rebounds and 2.0 steals per game. While his pick-and-roll game needs work, he's athletic and crafty enough with his dribble to get into the paint and score or make heads-up passes. That athleticism also allows him to push the ball well in transition -- which the Knicks want to do more next season -- and enables him to throw down offensive putback dunks.

Defensively, Brown has a high basketball IQ and he plays passing lanes well. When he steals the ball, he has the ability to be a one-man fast break, while having a solid read on the entire court. Being that the Knicks look for transition 3-pointers, Brown could be a helpful facilitator in that regard. However, his own 3-point shooting is weak at this point, but his playing style in college was more of a penetrator and passer -- two priorities for the Knicks who need to get younger, more explosive and improve their scoring inside."

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/tag/_/name/lorenzo-brown

Great Call....Brown is definitley a sleeper pick for me. Great size for a PG, very good vision, pushes the ball in the open court and has a good understanding of the game....
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6/27/2013  10:50 AM
AnubisADL wrote:

I like Jamaal Franklin's motor. The NBA season is long. Shumpert and Franklin in the backcourt.

If we let JR walk, if this guy is available, then you take him. Doubt he'll be there for us though....
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6/27/2013  10:51 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/27/2013  10:56 AM
Stevo718 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:

I like Jamaal Franklin's motor. The NBA season is long. Shumpert and Franklin in the backcourt.

I really hope they take him... he has the work ethic, he has improved his assists and defense dramatically in a short period of time. He can create and adjust shots under the basket and while driving, he actually has a quick release off the dribble, could be the reason why he can draw so many fouls off his fakes. He has a high rebound and blocks rate for a SG. He makes great passes. Great athleticism. Will win you ball games. Im sure he will improve his spot up shooting like he did everything else and improve his shot selection and turnovers (most of which are because of his shot selection) This guy has heart. This guy could be one of the top 5 players to come out this draft. Its not easy finding a player with such all around talent.

Shumpert and Franklin definitely would be amazing in the backcourt. Let JR go.

I had Jamal Franklin and Ledo as the only 2Gs I would be interested in. I understand its a shot making game(and he needs work on his shot)--but these guys both use the dribble very well--the other guy no where near it. Franklin is also the best rebounding G in the draft by a mile. Here was my own personal choices from a week ago. Almost every guy sans Mitchell uses a dribble. I like McCallum. If the Knicks could not get a big and went Franklin and McCallum(because Wolters is going to out round 1) we d really increase our attack and athletic ability.

So my board of players is
Tier 1
1. Muscala
2 Wolters
2b Franklin
3. Green
4 Mitchell
Tier 2 after pick 24
5 McCallum
6 Ledo
7 Schreoder

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6/27/2013  12:50 PM
There have been BPO's for every single NYK pick since I started watching the draft - I will be shocked if people are happy with this pick regardless of who it is. I don't know much about the prospects, but as long as they work hard, fill a need, and can actually contribute (consistently) on the court - then I am happy.
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