Knixkik wrote:If you are looking for 1 player who will likely be available in the 20s and can have the largest impact right away, maybe even start, its Reggie Bullock. 6'7 F/G athletic shooter/defender/finisher. Guy has Danny Green written all over him. There are other guys like Muscala, Mitchell etc who have better upside, but Bullock would potentially start next to Melo at the 3 next season. Not necessarily my first choice, but he's a guy that helps you right away and will likely be a sleeper. He's one of the only wings i am interested in.

Danny Green was garbage in Cleveland.

Bullocks is a waste of a pick for us.

Tony Mitchell and Ricky Ledo are better prospects.

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:If you are looking for 1 player who will likely be available in the 20s and can have the largest impact right away, maybe even start, its Reggie Bullock. 6'7 F/G athletic shooter/defender/finisher. Guy has Danny Green written all over him. There are other guys like Muscala, Mitchell etc who have better upside, but Bullock would potentially start next to Melo at the 3 next season. Not necessarily my first choice, but he's a guy that helps you right away and will likely be a sleeper. He's one of the only wings i am interested in.

There are many good choices--its a much better draft sans the top spot than people were purporting. The NBA finals will make guys like Bullock Crabbe a few more dollars in the draft. Hes a darkhorse pick for the Knicks for sure. I think they said he made 30 consecutive 3 pt shots while shooting for the kNicks. I still believe 1 and 4 are the main spots we need help in. Kidd is done my guess is Prigioni is gone and then we have to be lucky with al of that cap space out there for a pro PG back up.

I agree.

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:If you are looking for 1 player who will likely be available in the 20s and can have the largest impact right away, maybe even start, its Reggie Bullock. 6'7 F/G athletic shooter/defender/finisher. Guy has Danny Green written all over him. There are other guys like Muscala, Mitchell etc who have better upside, but Bullock would potentially start next to Melo at the 3 next season. Not necessarily my first choice, but he's a guy that helps you right away and will likely be a sleeper. He's one of the only wings i am interested in.

There are many good choices--its a much better draft sans the top spot than people were purporting. The NBA finals will make guys like Bullock Crabbe a few more dollars in the draft. Hes a darkhorse pick for the Knicks for sure. I think they said he made 30 consecutive 3 pt shots while shooting for the kNicks. I still believe 1 and 4 are the main spots we need help in. Kidd is done my guess is Prigioni is gone and then we have to be lucky with al of that cap space out there for a pro PG back up.

I agree.

I agree too. 1 and 4/5 should hopefully be the guys they plan on picking, unless they go for a 3 bc he is BPA and then some how can adequately address the PG and front court w/ cheap signings.

What's happening w/ the 2nd roud pick. Do we have one yet?

BRIGGS wrote:Im flipping my position on this draft. To me--we just have not had a PG who has end to end skills like Ray Mccallum--we've never had that. Each of these PGs have good qualities but also flaw. Ray's flaw is his jumpshot which IMHO is the easiest thing to tweak with hard work. I have not seen his playmaking skills but his raw pure athletic ability from the PG position is lottery material. 6-2 190 40 inch vertical end to end speed low TO ratio high rebounding totals--you can see in his tape--hes made for the nBA game--he has rare end to end elite ability. Can anyone name another PG after 10 who has any physical comparability to ray? There is none--he has lottery athletic ability but unlike Larkin he can finish and if you watch--he seems to have more speed with the dribble and is a better defender. We were 30th in transition last year--this should be the pick at 24 and see if we can grab a Muscala at 34-36 or so. A PG is more important---this guy is really good. Im embarrassed i missed it until 10 days before the draft.

Kabongo vs McCallum or Canaan? I like Canaan for his scoring and overall toughness.. McCallum has bungies but his D and passing is not where it should be IMO, plus he can't create his own shot... Kabongo had an injury riddled college career, but was at one time considered an elite PLAYMAKING PG. His shot is shaky, no doubt (Getting Better).. but these Knicks... NEED A LEAD GUARD! Plus I can see the Garden faithful going beef stew whenever this kid makes a play. He's got better handle than both, and arguably the best vision of ANY PG in this draft. At #24 Kabongo would be a nice selection. I really like him more than Larkin.

sealy wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im flipping my position on this draft. To me--we just have not had a PG who has end to end skills like Ray Mccallum--we've never had that. Each of these PGs have good qualities but also flaw. Ray's flaw is his jumpshot which IMHO is the easiest thing to tweak with hard work. I have not seen his playmaking skills but his raw pure athletic ability from the PG position is lottery material. 6-2 190 40 inch vertical end to end speed low TO ratio high rebounding totals--you can see in his tape--hes made for the nBA game--he has rare end to end elite ability. Can anyone name another PG after 10 who has any physical comparability to ray? There is none--he has lottery athletic ability but unlike Larkin he can finish and if you watch--he seems to have more speed with the dribble and is a better defender. We were 30th in transition last year--this should be the pick at 24 and see if we can grab a Muscala at 34-36 or so. A PG is more important---this guy is really good. Im embarrassed i missed it until 10 days before the draft.

Disagree with you here. I saw this guy play live at Carnesecca against the Johnnies and he wasn't that impressive and forced it way too much. Didn't seem like much of a facilitator either.

I liked your Wolters pick better. Am hoping Dieng falls and they grab the PG, if a 2nd is acquired somehow.

One thing thats true---the PGs are deep and it may be good strategy to take a big and buy a 2nd--because law of avg are with us. One game is not a tell tale. I think the NBA is a different game where there is more space and where athletic ability and speed goes up in value. There are exceptions from the rule--like Wolters Green for example--but guys like Cannan and Mccallum are likely to translate quickly to the nBA game. He is a sleeper with a lot of pro potential.

Analysis: I continue to hear the Knicks have a strong affinity for Mitchell. He has all the physical tools to succeed in the NBA -- strength, length, elite athletic ability. And the Knicks really need help on the front line. I also hear South Dakota State's Nate Wolters is a sleeper here.

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I like where this is headed. Would love either player.

My top 5 as of right now are: 1. Muscala 2. Wolters 3. Mitchell 4. Canaan 5. Bullock

Alex Len now #1
Giannis Adetokunbo #9
Gorgui Dieng#14
Shane Larkin #19
Erick Green #22
Nate Wolters #26
Reggie Bullock #27
Tony Mitchell #29
Ray McCallum #33
Mike Muscala #34
Isiah Cannan #41

Most guys who are talked about here are within breathing room of each other. Giannis moved up from 25 to 9.

Sangfroid wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:If you are looking for 1 player who will likely be available in the 20s and can have the largest impact right away, maybe even start, its Reggie Bullock. 6'7 F/G athletic shooter/defender/finisher. Guy has Danny Green written all over him. There are other guys like Muscala, Mitchell etc who have better upside, but Bullock would potentially start next to Melo at the 3 next season. Not necessarily my first choice, but he's a guy that helps you right away and will likely be a sleeper. He's one of the only wings i am interested in.

There are many good choices--its a much better draft sans the top spot than people were purporting. The NBA finals will make guys like Bullock Crabbe a few more dollars in the draft. Hes a darkhorse pick for the Knicks for sure. I think they said he made 30 consecutive 3 pt shots while shooting for the kNicks. I still believe 1 and 4 are the main spots we need help in. Kidd is done my guess is Prigioni is gone and then we have to be lucky with al of that cap space out there for a pro PG back up.

I agree.

I still wish we could get both Wolters and Muscala and be patient for the best long term return---but the Knicks are desperate for even a back up C to play now. Each of these guys can play now--but they are both a year or two of from really rising up. I think Nate's shooting ability size vision ballhandling offset any issue pertaining to athletic ability. When he fills out and weighs 207-210--he will simply be able to bully smaller quicker PGs especially in the halfcourt set but he can still get up and down very very well.

Iagree with the Muscala pick. He shows a lot, and I think it will be evident in the Pros, but Wolters looks like he'll be overwhelmed against the competition at the next level.

I don't know about that. From everything that I have read Nate has done quite well in these workouts staying in front of any guy put ahead of him and then has been successful on the other end. Nate is simply better all-around than what is perceived.

Now, after four mostly unseen seasons at South Dakota State, Wolters could be transplanted to the middle of Manhattan, as a candidate the Knicks could consider selecting with the 24th overall pick — or if they acquire a second-round selection — in next Thursday’s NBA Draft.

Working out with the Knicks yesterday at the team’s practice facility, the 6-foot-4 guard already allowed himself to imagine such a scenario.

“I really like the city and it’d be a dream come true to play in the Garden,” Wolters said. “It’s one of the best arenas in all of basketball. I’ve never been there, but it’d be cool to play here 41 games a year.

“Definitely, this would be a great fit. I know Jason Kidd just retired and they got Raymond Felton at point guard, but that seems like a need of theirs. I definitely feel I can add to it and hopefully I have the opportunity.”

With Kidd now coaching the Nets and uncertainty surrounding the return of Pablo Prigioni, the Knicks need a backup for Felton.

Wolters, who led the Jackrabbits to back-to-back NCAA Tournament appearances and was fourth in the nation averaging 22.3 points — along with 5.8 assists and 5.6 rebounds last season — will almost certainly be available at No. 24 and is projected to be taken late in the first round or in the second round.

Wolters cited his skill in pick and rolls, playmaking and his ability to spread the floor as reasons he would be a perfect fit with the Knicks, while noting how a transition from a star to a supporting role would allow him to do what he thinks he does best.

“I think I’m more of a facilitator than a scorer, really,” Wolters said. “Just out of necessity it was for me to score in college, so I had to put up a lot of shots, but I think my natural position is just a passing point guard who makes players around me better.”

Wolters has great vision and an improved 3-point shot — which jumped from 24.1 percent to 37.9 percent from his junior to senior year — but his lack of athleticism and defensive deficiencies are the biggest reasons he could be headed to the second round.

Wolters contends his defense is overlooked and underrated, a situation he’s far too familiar with. He also knows it doesn’t have to stay that way.

“I think I showed that in the season a little bit when we played the top guys, like Trey Burke [of Michigan], I was able to keep him in front,” said Wolters, who helped limit the National Player of the Year to six points on 2-of-12 shooting in the NCAA Tournament. “That’s something I’ll continue to work on. Defense is more just an effort thing and toughness, so I’m going to bring that.”