3G4G wrote:When the trade was made for Melo many posters said it would be easy to find replacements for players like Chandler and Gallo. We've yet to replace them 3yrs later. Now we're discussing acquiring players who'll do all the things our $20mil Superstar won't do, to help make him a better player.

THey have been replace. Its finding someone to replace Amar'e.

yellowboy90 wrote:

3G4G wrote:When the trade was made for Melo many posters said it would be easy to find replacements for players like Chandler and Gallo. We've yet to replace them 3yrs later. Now we're discussing acquiring players who'll do all the things our $20mil Superstar won't do, to help make him a better player.

THey have been replace. Its finding someone to replace Amar'e.

3G4G wrote:When the trade was made for Melo many posters said it would be easy to find replacements for players like Chandler and Gallo. We've yet to replace them 3yrs later. Now we're discussing acquiring players who'll do all the things our $20mil Superstar won't do, to help make him a better player.

Right, because Tyson Chandler and JR Smith don't count.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

3G4G wrote:When the trade was made for Melo many posters said it would be easy to find replacements for players like Chandler and Gallo. We've yet to replace them 3yrs later. Now we're discussing acquiring players who'll do all the things our $20mil Superstar won't do, to help make him a better player.

THey have been replace. Its finding someone to replace Amar'e.

That's a bad excuse. Even without Amare, Melo has a more expensive, experienced supporting cast than many players in the league have.

IT wasn't an excuse. Gallo and Chandler have been replaced easily. Now on to what you are talking about please provide examples of less expensive supporting cast.

If we've learned anything over the years, it should be that "expense" does not always directly correlate to production. We may have an expensive roster but that doesn't mean that it makes for elite production especially when ~30% of our payroll is tied into a guy that hardly plays (see Amar'e Stoudemire).

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

3G4G wrote:When the trade was made for Melo many posters said it would be easy to find replacements for players like Chandler and Gallo. We've yet to replace them 3yrs later. Now we're discussing acquiring players who'll do all the things our $20mil Superstar won't do, to help make him a better player.

THey have been replace. Its finding someone to replace Amar'e.

That's a bad excuse. Even without Amare, Melo has a more expensive, experienced supporting cast than many players in the league have.

IT wasn't an excuse. Gallo and Chandler have been replaced easily. Now on to what you are talking about please provide examples of less expensive supporting cast.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

3G4G wrote:When the trade was made for Melo many posters said it would be easy to find replacements for players like Chandler and Gallo. We've yet to replace them 3yrs later. Now we're discussing acquiring players who'll do all the things our $20mil Superstar won't do, to help make him a better player.

THey have been replace. Its finding someone to replace Amar'e.

That's a bad excuse. Even without Amare, Melo has a more expensive, experienced supporting cast than many players in the league have.

IT wasn't an excuse. Gallo and Chandler have been replaced easily. Now on to what you are talking about please provide examples of less expensive supporting cast.

I was a little off actually but there were many others with comparably priced, less experienced supporting casts. George Hill had $45 mil in healthy supporting cast and Melo had $41 mil. (That generously excludes Amare, even though he did play.) Many other players had supporting casts in the mid 40s too (Zach Randolph, Harden, Boozer, Garnett). It's not like Melo had an unusual degree of bad luck or like this roster in general did..

Randolf has another guy at 13 and then the next two are 6.8 and 7.5.

Boozer had Deng at 13.3 and Noah at 11.3

Garnett had Peirce at 16.8 higher than him and Green at 8.4

Harden is the only one that kinda fits the bill but he has two guys making 8 mill and another at 6.4.

So please tell me again what player has a supporting cast that goes from 10-13 mill or so to below 5 million. THen tell me how they did in the playoffs. We are talking about successful teams right?

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

3G4G wrote:When the trade was made for Melo many posters said it would be easy to find replacements for players like Chandler and Gallo. We've yet to replace them 3yrs later. Now we're discussing acquiring players who'll do all the things our $20mil Superstar won't do, to help make him a better player.

THey have been replace. Its finding someone to replace Amar'e.

That's a bad excuse. Even without Amare, Melo has a more expensive, experienced supporting cast than many players in the league have.

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

3G4G wrote:When the trade was made for Melo many posters said it would be easy to find replacements for players like Chandler and Gallo. We've yet to replace them 3yrs later. Now we're discussing acquiring players who'll do all the things our $20mil Superstar won't do, to help make him a better player.

THey have been replace. Its finding someone to replace Amar'e.

That's a bad excuse. Even without Amare, Melo has a more expensive, experienced supporting cast than many players in the league have.

IT wasn't an excuse. Gallo and Chandler have been replaced easily. Now on to what you are talking about please provide examples of less expensive supporting cast.

REPLACED by who? the knicks have not replaced those guy with comparable talent and or potential... please..

JR Smith had a better season offensively and rebounding the basketball than Gallo has in his career. Shumpert offers more long term than chandler. We replaced their production. Gallo has more potential than JR of course, but you are talking about a player with identical numbers the past 4 seasons so not sure we can determine there is still a ton of potential there. I would rather have gallo than JR of course, but we have similar production for 25% the cost.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

3G4G wrote:When the trade was made for Melo many posters said it would be easy to find replacements for players like Chandler and Gallo. We've yet to replace them 3yrs later. Now we're discussing acquiring players who'll do all the things our $20mil Superstar won't do, to help make him a better player.

THey have been replace. Its finding someone to replace Amar'e.

That's a bad excuse. Even without Amare, Melo has a more expensive, experienced supporting cast than many players in the league have.

IT wasn't an excuse. Gallo and Chandler have been replaced easily. Now on to what you are talking about please provide examples of less expensive supporting cast.

I was a little off actually but there were many others with comparably priced, less experienced supporting casts. George Hill had $45 mil in healthy supporting cast and Melo had $41 mil. (That generously excludes Amare, even though he did play.) Many other players had supporting casts in the mid 40s too (Zach Randolph, Harden, Boozer, Garnett). It's not like Melo had an unusual degree of bad luck or like this roster in general did..

Randolf has another guy at 13 and then the next two are 6.8 and 7.5.

Boozer had Deng at 13.3 and Noah at 11.3

Garnett had Peirce at 16.8 higher than him and Green at 8.4

Harden is the only one that kinda fits the bill but he has two guys making 8 mill and another at 6.4.

So please tell me again what player has a supporting cast that goes from 10-13 mill or so to below 5 million. THen tell me how they did in the playoffs. We are talking about successful teams right?

I mentioned total salary. I'll grant you that the second highest healthy supporting cast player Melo had was paid a couple mil less than the 2nd highest healthy supporting cast member those other guys had, but it's a pretty desperate argument. (That's also if we count Amare as unavailable.)

"Successful"? I was talking about 1st and 2nd round playoff teams since that's what we've been in the Melo-Amare-Chandler era.

a couple mill less? how about 4-6 mill less and the third players are usually in the 8 million range. yes, I realize that is what you are talking about but that's the problem isn't it. We want the Knicks competing at a higher level.

Bottom line to me a healthy Amar'e is a great compliment to the Knicks and Melo. His change to a post player/slasher fits great. The small sample of Stat, Melo, and Tyson worked great.

Giannes Adetokunbo is a top 10 talent if he enters draft 3years later and now is a project
I don't think he will be there at pick 24 but if he is, he is hard to pass up with his physical abilities, potential, and huge hands
He can do a little of EVERYTHING and that is what we need at SF/PF from ball handling/facilitating/DEF

Giannes Adetokunbo poor version of Durant with Doctor J's BIG HANDS/Hakeem Warrick's length with much more skill and athleticism... need's to bulk up
only 19 and a little over 200 pounds but lots of potential and will be able to be a GREAT defender for 4-5 positions

Jammelle Hagins like Iman has great work ethic and will be a player that can contribute off the bench right away with high IQ and has good mobility for TEAM defense
Is a PF that can hit the 17 foot jump shot with good post skills and good mobility

Hagins (mid/late 2nd round and possibly not even drafted) Trevor Booker/Millsap
4 years of college of double double in points and rebounds with 2-3 blocks per game

Trade Tyson Chandler to get under the tax threshold to Portland for picks 39,40, 45, and draft rights back for Pap at SF
Replace Chandler's production at the C position with Camby, Kmart, JO, more minutes to Copeland, and STAT

Will have the full 5m MLE to use in which we can either split on 2 players or use on one player
Also will have 2m Bi Annual Exemption

Could resign Copeland at PF/C if we do so, if we don't cannot trade Chandler for salary relief we would have problems KEEPING talents like Copeland even if we find a diamond in the rough, need a foundation to build on NOT just a 1 year player that would leave after 1 year of service

We cannot resign Copeland or Prigs without using our MLE unless they sign for the VET MIN and not a dollar more, otherwise we would need to use the 3m MLE and cannot match anything over it

Would not mind trading the 14m exemption for some of Dallas's players like Marion/Carter or Collison and Brandon Wright/Elton Brand with the 13th pick of the draft that was rumored earlier so Dallas could target 2 max players

Some vet min players to Bi Annual Exemption to target

Matt Barnes
Dunleavy

Dorrel Wright
James Johnson (if King's do not keep him as a 3rd/4th year player)

Trades for salary relief to teams, with non guaranteed deals in Q, Earl Barron, Brewer's exemption

Brandon Rush
Ariza with the above and Camby or Novak

JJ Barea/Ridnour