nykshaknbake wrote:Thought Felton played well as a whole in the playoffs. We got crap from Chandler and Smith. You want to say Melo wasn't efficient? Ok that's true, but he's defeintly not the main culprit.

loweyecue wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:so let's assume the scout watched every single minute of the knicks this season with particular focus on carmelo anthony's crappy passing habits.

i saw what i saw and he was inconsistent at it, with the overall impression of ineffectiveness backed up by two statistics and their relationship to one another:

USAGE WAS AT A CAREER HIGH at 35.6 AND HIS ASSIST RATE NEAR A CAREER LOW at 14.1.

do yourselves a favor and try to understand what these statistics are saying.

when you have the ball in your hands 35.6 percent of the time but an assist is made only 14.1 percent of the time while you are out there it results in a ratio of 2.53:1

durant 1.37:1
lebron 0.82:1
paul george 1.20:1
paul pierce 1.09:1
carmelo 2.53:1

CASE CLOSED

Melo's "terrible" ball hogging ways were good enough to get 54 wins and the 2nd round of the playoffs.

You sound like a fool. You got called out for pulling stuff out of your ass now you trying to change the topic.

I can theorize that his usage was at an all time high while having career low in assists because his teammates are sub par. You on the otherhand associate his stats with him being a high volume chucker.

Apparently others in the league disagree with you.

FUNNY how it is melo that got the team 54 wins.. but amare, chandler, felton, and everyone else not named melo, responsible for the playoff failure..... go figure...

Shhhh.... The trolls might hear you.

He wasn't efficient AND he was bad in all the nonscoring aspects of the game.

nykshaknbake wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Thought Felton played well as a whole in the playoffs. We got crap from Chandler and Smith. You want to say Melo wasn't efficient? Ok that's true, but he's defeintly not the main culprit.

loweyecue wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:so let's assume the scout watched every single minute of the knicks this season with particular focus on carmelo anthony's crappy passing habits.

i saw what i saw and he was inconsistent at it, with the overall impression of ineffectiveness backed up by two statistics and their relationship to one another:

USAGE WAS AT A CAREER HIGH at 35.6 AND HIS ASSIST RATE NEAR A CAREER LOW at 14.1.

do yourselves a favor and try to understand what these statistics are saying.

when you have the ball in your hands 35.6 percent of the time but an assist is made only 14.1 percent of the time while you are out there it results in a ratio of 2.53:1

durant 1.37:1
lebron 0.82:1
paul george 1.20:1
paul pierce 1.09:1
carmelo 2.53:1

CASE CLOSED

Melo's "terrible" ball hogging ways were good enough to get 54 wins and the 2nd round of the playoffs.

You sound like a fool. You got called out for pulling stuff out of your ass now you trying to change the topic.

I can theorize that his usage was at an all time high while having career low in assists because his teammates are sub par. You on the otherhand associate his stats with him being a high volume chucker.

Apparently others in the league disagree with you.

FUNNY how it is melo that got the team 54 wins.. but amare, chandler, felton, and everyone else not named melo, responsible for the playoff failure..... go figure...

Shhhh.... The trolls might hear you.

He wasn't efficient AND he was bad in all the nonscoring aspects of the game.

His D was adequate. He's not going to rebound at a PF rate against people like West because he's not a PF. He's a scorer and he did just that. He's not even close to the main culprit for losing to the Pacers.

At times it is adequate, sometimes he looks like he can be better than an average defender, but the focus and effort consistently DOES NOT show up in the 48 minutes per game, including 82 games for the season
There are moments where he is motivated to do so but that is one area of the game that he does not put the effort there
Only 2 things Melo likes and will try to do, SCORE and REBOUND *while on rebounds it is for on DEFENSE and after his own misses, but he doesn't always look to fight for position and allow his team mates to shoot knowing that he will try to get an offensive rebound for them*

Is rebounding DEFENSE?
Not really, at times, may be... it can be considered rebounds but even STEALS is not always considered DEFENSE
For instance, Iverson was always a top leader in steals per game but he was never considered a good or even an average defender

playing the PF, when was the last time Melo looked to use his quickness/mobility by drawing a charge?
It is something he has the ability to do, but rarely does it, and it is something he must look to do especially if we are looking to stop penetration from other position
he rarely even set's a pick off the ball (not sure if he actually even attempts this) to free up another player WITHOUT expecting to receive the ball
By doing this like that to get other players involved in the offense, doing this that improve's his team, and he can also be a threat by looking to get position after the pick for the offensive rebound
these are things that JJ focused on when he was here and part of his "intangibles" that we are missing

Let's be honest, one of Melo's attributes is "strength" and mobility at the PF position
One of his weakness is defending a shooter because he is always looking to grab the REBOUND, often giving his man a good look for a wide open shot *EVEN SHOOTERS"
Over his career he always does this because he knows he has to exert much more energy/stamina by defending the 3point shot
And when he plays the SF many shooters are prepared to shoot the ball, knowing he will rarely come out to contest him, and have the ability to blow by him and command help
Even "role players" like Korver, Dunleavy, and Delfino have always took advantage of this

Some people keep saying he should not be playing the PF and takes a beating by doing so, while I do agree especially vs certain teams, I actually think he has the ability to defend most PF's in the league rather than SF's
For instance, Melo defended everyone on the Pacer's including West, Paul George, and Stefenson and they all are capable and did exploit Melo's defense
It would help if we actually had a C that is mobile and is a shot blocker in addition to a real SF which we do not have, that is versatile/athletic/mobile like a Wilson Chandler/Marion *younger Marion even though Marion today would still help*
Our best SF's are SG's in JR Smith and Iman which also happens to be the only players that have the ability to defend PG's

tkf wrote:

RonRon wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Thought Felton played well as a whole in the playoffs. We got crap from Chandler and Smith. You want to say Melo wasn't efficient? Ok that's true, but he's defeintly not the main culprit.

loweyecue wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:so let's assume the scout watched every single minute of the knicks this season with particular focus on carmelo anthony's crappy passing habits.

i saw what i saw and he was inconsistent at it, with the overall impression of ineffectiveness backed up by two statistics and their relationship to one another:

USAGE WAS AT A CAREER HIGH at 35.6 AND HIS ASSIST RATE NEAR A CAREER LOW at 14.1.

do yourselves a favor and try to understand what these statistics are saying.

when you have the ball in your hands 35.6 percent of the time but an assist is made only 14.1 percent of the time while you are out there it results in a ratio of 2.53:1

durant 1.37:1
lebron 0.82:1
paul george 1.20:1
paul pierce 1.09:1
carmelo 2.53:1

CASE CLOSED

Melo's "terrible" ball hogging ways were good enough to get 54 wins and the 2nd round of the playoffs.

You sound like a fool. You got called out for pulling stuff out of your ass now you trying to change the topic.

I can theorize that his usage was at an all time high while having career low in assists because his teammates are sub par. You on the otherhand associate his stats with him being a high volume chucker.

Apparently others in the league disagree with you.

FUNNY how it is melo that got the team 54 wins.. but amare, chandler, felton, and everyone else not named melo, responsible for the playoff failure..... go figure...

Shhhh.... The trolls might hear you.

He wasn't efficient AND he was bad in all the nonscoring aspects of the game.

His D was adequate. He's not going to rebound at a PF rate against people like West because he's not a PF. He's a scorer and he did just that. He's not even close to the main culprit for losing to the Pacers.

At times it is adequate, sometimes he looks like he can be better than an average defender, but the focus and effort consistently DOES NOT show up in the 48 minutes per game, including 82 games for the season
There are moments where he is motivated to do so but that is one area of the game that he does not put the effort there
Only 2 things Melo likes and will try to do, SCORE and REBOUND *while on rebounds it is for on DEFENSE and after his own misses, but he doesn't always look to fight for position and allow his team mates to shoot knowing that he will try to get an offensive rebound for them*

Is rebounding DEFENSE?
Not really, at times, may be... it can be considered rebounds but even STEALS is not always considered DEFENSE
For instance, Iverson was always a top leader in steals per game but he was never considered a good or even an average defender

playing the PF, when was the last time Melo looked to use his quickness/mobility by drawing a charge?
It is something he has the ability to do, but rarely does it, and it is something he must look to do especially if we are looking to stop penetration from other position
he rarely even set's a pick off the ball (not sure if he actually even attempts this) to free up another player WITHOUT expecting to receive the ball
By doing this like that to get other players involved in the offense, doing this that improve's his team, and he can also be a threat by looking to get position after the pick for the offensive rebound
these are things that JJ focused on when he was here and part of his "intangibles" that we are missing

Let's be honest, one of Melo's attributes is "strength" and mobility at the PF position
One of his weakness is defending a shooter because he is always looking to grab the REBOUND, often giving his man a good look for a wide open shot *EVEN SHOOTERS"
Over his career he always does this because he knows he has to exert much more energy/stamina by defending the 3point shot
And when he plays the SF many shooters are prepared to shoot the ball, knowing he will rarely come out to contest him, and have the ability to blow by him and command help
Even "role players" like Korver, Dunleavy, and Delfino have always took advantage of this

Some people keep saying he should not be playing the PF and takes a beating by doing so, while I do agree especially vs certain teams, I actually think he has the ability to defend most PF's in the league rather than SF's
For instance, Melo defended everyone on the Pacer's including West, Paul George, and Stefenson and they all are capable and did exploit Melo's defense
It would help if we actually had a C that is mobile and is a shot blocker in addition to a real SF which we do not have, that is versatile/athletic/mobile like a Wilson Chandler/Marion *younger Marion even though Marion today would still help*
Our best SF's are SG's in JR Smith and Iman which also happens to be the only players that have the ability to defend PG's

pretty good break down Ron, there is a lot of truth there.. but the more you look at it, the more you just see an extremely flawed, overpaid player, that is more of a tweener, lacks defensive instincts and will, lacks the will or the decision making skills to make his teamates better... what he is good at doing is shooting and doesn't do so efficiently.... this is not the making of a star player, by any stretch of the imagination..

of course carmelo needs a center, a SF like marion, a guard like chris paul.. I mean who doesn't.. the problem is, he makes 20 mil a year and is hell bent on taking the lions share of shots... good luck getting guys like that on the same team without having to overpay them, which you can't do because you are grossly overpaying carmelo... what a vicious cycle..

Melo wouldn't be considered overpaid if it weren't for the actual overpaid player on the Knicks. Besides if Melo went the collusion route does anyone think he would not take a $2.5 less to team up with 2 other all stars? Dude messed up and resigned with the Nuggets when Ledouche and company were working their mojo. Had Melo not he would have been part of the FA crew.

If Melo is overpaid what does that make Chris Bosh?

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

RonRon wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Thought Felton played well as a whole in the playoffs. We got crap from Chandler and Smith. You want to say Melo wasn't efficient? Ok that's true, but he's defeintly not the main culprit.

loweyecue wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:so let's assume the scout watched every single minute of the knicks this season with particular focus on carmelo anthony's crappy passing habits.

i saw what i saw and he was inconsistent at it, with the overall impression of ineffectiveness backed up by two statistics and their relationship to one another:

USAGE WAS AT A CAREER HIGH at 35.6 AND HIS ASSIST RATE NEAR A CAREER LOW at 14.1.

do yourselves a favor and try to understand what these statistics are saying.

when you have the ball in your hands 35.6 percent of the time but an assist is made only 14.1 percent of the time while you are out there it results in a ratio of 2.53:1

durant 1.37:1
lebron 0.82:1
paul george 1.20:1
paul pierce 1.09:1
carmelo 2.53:1

CASE CLOSED

Melo's "terrible" ball hogging ways were good enough to get 54 wins and the 2nd round of the playoffs.

You sound like a fool. You got called out for pulling stuff out of your ass now you trying to change the topic.

I can theorize that his usage was at an all time high while having career low in assists because his teammates are sub par. You on the otherhand associate his stats with him being a high volume chucker.

Apparently others in the league disagree with you.

FUNNY how it is melo that got the team 54 wins.. but amare, chandler, felton, and everyone else not named melo, responsible for the playoff failure..... go figure...

Shhhh.... The trolls might hear you.

He wasn't efficient AND he was bad in all the nonscoring aspects of the game.

His D was adequate. He's not going to rebound at a PF rate against people like West because he's not a PF. He's a scorer and he did just that. He's not even close to the main culprit for losing to the Pacers.

At times it is adequate, sometimes he looks like he can be better than an average defender, but the focus and effort consistently DOES NOT show up in the 48 minutes per game, including 82 games for the season
There are moments where he is motivated to do so but that is one area of the game that he does not put the effort there
Only 2 things Melo likes and will try to do, SCORE and REBOUND *while on rebounds it is for on DEFENSE and after his own misses, but he doesn't always look to fight for position and allow his team mates to shoot knowing that he will try to get an offensive rebound for them*

Is rebounding DEFENSE?
Not really, at times, may be... it can be considered rebounds but even STEALS is not always considered DEFENSE
For instance, Iverson was always a top leader in steals per game but he was never considered a good or even an average defender

playing the PF, when was the last time Melo looked to use his quickness/mobility by drawing a charge?
It is something he has the ability to do, but rarely does it, and it is something he must look to do especially if we are looking to stop penetration from other position
he rarely even set's a pick off the ball (not sure if he actually even attempts this) to free up another player WITHOUT expecting to receive the ball
By doing this like that to get other players involved in the offense, doing this that improve's his team, and he can also be a threat by looking to get position after the pick for the offensive rebound
these are things that JJ focused on when he was here and part of his "intangibles" that we are missing

Let's be honest, one of Melo's attributes is "strength" and mobility at the PF position
One of his weakness is defending a shooter because he is always looking to grab the REBOUND, often giving his man a good look for a wide open shot *EVEN SHOOTERS"
Over his career he always does this because he knows he has to exert much more energy/stamina by defending the 3point shot
And when he plays the SF many shooters are prepared to shoot the ball, knowing he will rarely come out to contest him, and have the ability to blow by him and command help
Even "role players" like Korver, Dunleavy, and Delfino have always took advantage of this

Some people keep saying he should not be playing the PF and takes a beating by doing so, while I do agree especially vs certain teams, I actually think he has the ability to defend most PF's in the league rather than SF's
For instance, Melo defended everyone on the Pacer's including West, Paul George, and Stefenson and they all are capable and did exploit Melo's defense
It would help if we actually had a C that is mobile and is a shot blocker in addition to a real SF which we do not have, that is versatile/athletic/mobile like a Wilson Chandler/Marion *younger Marion even though Marion today would still help*
Our best SF's are SG's in JR Smith and Iman which also happens to be the only players that have the ability to defend PG's

pretty good break down Ron, there is a lot of truth there.. but the more you look at it, the more you just see an extremely flawed, overpaid player, that is more of a tweener, lacks defensive instincts and will, lacks the will or the decision making skills to make his teamates better... what he is good at doing is shooting and doesn't do so efficiently.... this is not the making of a star player, by any stretch of the imagination..

of course carmelo needs a center, a SF like marion, a guard like chris paul.. I mean who doesn't.. the problem is, he makes 20 mil a year and is hell bent on taking the lions share of shots... good luck getting guys like that on the same team without having to overpay them, which you can't do because you are grossly overpaying carmelo... what a vicious cycle..

Melo wouldn't be considered overpaid if it weren't for the actual overpaid player on the Knicks. Besides if Melo went the collusion route does anyone think he would not take a $2.5 less to team up with 2 other all stars? Dude messed up and resigned with the Nuggets when Ledouche and company were working their mojo. Had Melo not he would have been part of the FA crew.

If Melo is overpaid what does that make Chris Bosh?

also overpaid

knickstorrents wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

If Melo is overpaid what does that make Chris Bosh?

also overpaid

Bosh is Miami's 3rd option (if that). Melo is our primary star and is overpaid!!! Big difference

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

If Melo is overpaid what does that make Chris Bosh?

also overpaid

Bosh is Miami's 3rd option (if that). Melo is our primary star and is overpaid!!! Big difference

In all fairness, our 2nd and 3rd options are also overpaid!

Technically our 2nd option this season was JR Smith, grossly underpaid.

Our 7th man(Amare) and 4th option(Tyson) are the ones overpaid.

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

RonRon wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Thought Felton played well as a whole in the playoffs. We got crap from Chandler and Smith. You want to say Melo wasn't efficient? Ok that's true, but he's defeintly not the main culprit.

loweyecue wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:so let's assume the scout watched every single minute of the knicks this season with particular focus on carmelo anthony's crappy passing habits.

i saw what i saw and he was inconsistent at it, with the overall impression of ineffectiveness backed up by two statistics and their relationship to one another:

USAGE WAS AT A CAREER HIGH at 35.6 AND HIS ASSIST RATE NEAR A CAREER LOW at 14.1.

do yourselves a favor and try to understand what these statistics are saying.

when you have the ball in your hands 35.6 percent of the time but an assist is made only 14.1 percent of the time while you are out there it results in a ratio of 2.53:1

durant 1.37:1
lebron 0.82:1
paul george 1.20:1
paul pierce 1.09:1
carmelo 2.53:1

CASE CLOSED

Melo's "terrible" ball hogging ways were good enough to get 54 wins and the 2nd round of the playoffs.

You sound like a fool. You got called out for pulling stuff out of your ass now you trying to change the topic.

I can theorize that his usage was at an all time high while having career low in assists because his teammates are sub par. You on the otherhand associate his stats with him being a high volume chucker.

Apparently others in the league disagree with you.

FUNNY how it is melo that got the team 54 wins.. but amare, chandler, felton, and everyone else not named melo, responsible for the playoff failure..... go figure...

Shhhh.... The trolls might hear you.

He wasn't efficient AND he was bad in all the nonscoring aspects of the game.

His D was adequate. He's not going to rebound at a PF rate against people like West because he's not a PF. He's a scorer and he did just that. He's not even close to the main culprit for losing to the Pacers.

At times it is adequate, sometimes he looks like he can be better than an average defender, but the focus and effort consistently DOES NOT show up in the 48 minutes per game, including 82 games for the season
There are moments where he is motivated to do so but that is one area of the game that he does not put the effort there
Only 2 things Melo likes and will try to do, SCORE and REBOUND *while on rebounds it is for on DEFENSE and after his own misses, but he doesn't always look to fight for position and allow his team mates to shoot knowing that he will try to get an offensive rebound for them*

Is rebounding DEFENSE?
Not really, at times, may be... it can be considered rebounds but even STEALS is not always considered DEFENSE
For instance, Iverson was always a top leader in steals per game but he was never considered a good or even an average defender

playing the PF, when was the last time Melo looked to use his quickness/mobility by drawing a charge?
It is something he has the ability to do, but rarely does it, and it is something he must look to do especially if we are looking to stop penetration from other position
he rarely even set's a pick off the ball (not sure if he actually even attempts this) to free up another player WITHOUT expecting to receive the ball
By doing this like that to get other players involved in the offense, doing this that improve's his team, and he can also be a threat by looking to get position after the pick for the offensive rebound
these are things that JJ focused on when he was here and part of his "intangibles" that we are missing

Let's be honest, one of Melo's attributes is "strength" and mobility at the PF position
One of his weakness is defending a shooter because he is always looking to grab the REBOUND, often giving his man a good look for a wide open shot *EVEN SHOOTERS"
Over his career he always does this because he knows he has to exert much more energy/stamina by defending the 3point shot
And when he plays the SF many shooters are prepared to shoot the ball, knowing he will rarely come out to contest him, and have the ability to blow by him and command help
Even "role players" like Korver, Dunleavy, and Delfino have always took advantage of this

Some people keep saying he should not be playing the PF and takes a beating by doing so, while I do agree especially vs certain teams, I actually think he has the ability to defend most PF's in the league rather than SF's
For instance, Melo defended everyone on the Pacer's including West, Paul George, and Stefenson and they all are capable and did exploit Melo's defense
It would help if we actually had a C that is mobile and is a shot blocker in addition to a real SF which we do not have, that is versatile/athletic/mobile like a Wilson Chandler/Marion *younger Marion even though Marion today would still help*
Our best SF's are SG's in JR Smith and Iman which also happens to be the only players that have the ability to defend PG's

pretty good break down Ron, there is a lot of truth there.. but the more you look at it, the more you just see an extremely flawed, overpaid player, that is more of a tweener, lacks defensive instincts and will, lacks the will or the decision making skills to make his teamates better... what he is good at doing is shooting and doesn't do so efficiently.... this is not the making of a star player, by any stretch of the imagination..

of course carmelo needs a center, a SF like marion, a guard like chris paul.. I mean who doesn't.. the problem is, he makes 20 mil a year and is hell bent on taking the lions share of shots... good luck getting guys like that on the same team without having to overpay them, which you can't do because you are grossly overpaying carmelo... what a vicious cycle..

Melo wouldn't be considered overpaid if it weren't for the actual overpaid player on the Knicks. Besides if Melo went the collusion route does anyone think he would not take a $2.5 less to team up with 2 other all stars? Dude messed up and resigned with the Nuggets when Ledouche and company were working their mojo. Had Melo not he would have been part of the FA crew.

If Melo is overpaid what does that make Chris Bosh?

who cares? but I will give a shot anyway.... how about, a champion?

knickstorrents wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

If Melo is overpaid what does that make Chris Bosh?

also overpaid

Bosh is Miami's 3rd option (if that). Melo is our primary star and is overpaid!!! Big difference

OK, I'll bite. If Melo is overpaid how much should he be making per year?