tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the best way forward is to trade carmelo anthony while he still has value. by the end of next season's playoff futility melo's value will drop significantly.

his only hope is getting in genuine nba shape, improve his footwork, devote his energy to playing defense, working on his dribble while keeping his head up so he can make plays off the dribble, and using head and ball fakes to get to the line 10-12 times a game.

if he does all these things he can help lead a team to the finals. he doesn't need help that's bullcrap-- he needs to help himself and learn how to help others, play for others. he needs to work on his game all summer long. wonder what he's up to right now. sure hope he's working on all these things.

Dk, I said this to another poster.. I think camelo will best help a team as he gets older and his role can be reduced. He is a gunner, a shooter, nothing more.. as a 6th man, on the right team, i think he can be a real weapon.. ala Jamal crawford.. I know people don't want to hear that, but I think that will be where he sees the most success, as a team in his whole career..

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

dk7th wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dk7th wrote:the best way forward is to trade carmelo anthony while he still has value. by the end of next season's playoff futility melo's value will drop significantly.

his only hope is getting in genuine nba shape, improve his footwork, devote his energy to playing defense, working on his dribble while keeping his head up so he can make plays off the dribble, and using head and ball fakes to get to the line 10-12 times a game.

if he does all these things he can help lead a team to the finals. he doesn't need help that's bullcrap-- he needs to help himself and learn how to help others, play for others. he needs to work on his game all summer long. wonder what he's up to right now. sure hope he's working on all these things.

Thank you for not even remotely answering the questions that were posed and digressing to your usual talking points.

your premise of "swinging for the fences" as in somehow acquiring ellis and bynum-- is so wrong it's perverse. ellis is a classic zero-sum or negative-sum player. pretty much a bum and i never want to see him playing in a knick uniform. that you have a fantasy of actually wanting him here to play with another zero-sum player just compounds knick failure. bynum is not interested in playing basketball. he's an injury-prone, low character waste of space, closer to an eddy curry.

better?

exactly, and next year, the excuses will mount.. Monta was no help and carmelo needs more help.... one thing I will say, monta and carmelo on the same team.. at least it will provide some comedic relief and possible fireworks as who is going to shoot more...

NardDogNation wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:We all realize that we need an equally/similarly talented player next to Melo. I'll ask guys two specific answers: (1) Should we sing for the fences in an attempt to acquire that no.2 option? (2) Would you guys take a gamble on either Monta Ellis or Andrew Bynum? Just for the record, I don't particularly like either player but realize that if healthy, they could contribute to what we do.

OK. I'll bite. I agree that Ellis and Bynum are better than what we have now talent wise and would be a better piece alongside Melo. Now here is the rub...Who do you trade for these players that the other team would actually want?

Lets start with Ellis. What does MIL need? They need to break up Ellis and Jenning cause they are redundant so you will need a SG. They could also use a capable SF if they let Dunleavy go. They have a bunch of 4s and 5s so they don't need that. Who do we have that they can have that fits their bill? Shump? I think that is it. So to package Shump for Ellis you will need to send more contracts. That means you will need to send Shump, Camby, Novak and White for Ellis just to make this trade work. You really think MIL is doing that trade?

Now with Bynum. Nope. He is UFA. We can't do sign-and-trades. We have no CAP space. Not doable.

You could trade Tyson Chandler to POR for picks and a trade exception; using the trade exception (and picks) to obtain Monta Ellis or Andrew Bynum. We would technically be below the apron/luxury tax before acquiring either player especially with we can get Portland one of the following contracts: Novak, Camby or Kidd with cash. Like I said, something like this would be a huge gambld but you wouldn't be swinging for the fences if it wasn't.

Isn't Portland over the CAP? How are they doing that? According to hoopshype they are at $60,173,703. They are about $8M over the cap.

NYKBocker wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:We all realize that we need an equally/similarly talented player next to Melo. I'll ask guys two specific answers: (1) Should we sing for the fences in an attempt to acquire that no.2 option? (2) Would you guys take a gamble on either Monta Ellis or Andrew Bynum? Just for the record, I don't particularly like either player but realize that if healthy, they could contribute to what we do.

OK. I'll bite. I agree that Ellis and Bynum are better than what we have now talent wise and would be a better piece alongside Melo. Now here is the rub...Who do you trade for these players that the other team would actually want?

Lets start with Ellis. What does MIL need? They need to break up Ellis and Jenning cause they are redundant so you will need a SG. They could also use a capable SF if they let Dunleavy go. They have a bunch of 4s and 5s so they don't need that. Who do we have that they can have that fits their bill? Shump? I think that is it. So to package Shump for Ellis you will need to send more contracts. That means you will need to send Shump, Camby, Novak and White for Ellis just to make this trade work. You really think MIL is doing that trade?

Now with Bynum. Nope. He is UFA. We can't do sign-and-trades. We have no CAP space. Not doable.

You could trade Tyson Chandler to POR for picks and a trade exception; using the trade exception (and picks) to obtain Monta Ellis or Andrew Bynum. We would technically be below the apron/luxury tax before acquiring either player especially with we can get Portland one of the following contracts: Novak, Camby or Kidd with cash. Like I said, something like this would be a huge gambld but you wouldn't be swinging for the fences if it wasn't.

Isn't Portland over the CAP? How are they doing that? According to hoopshype they are at $60,173,703. They are about $8M over the cap.

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the best way forward is to trade carmelo anthony while he still has value. by the end of next season's playoff futility melo's value will drop significantly.

his only hope is getting in genuine nba shape, improve his footwork, devote his energy to playing defense, working on his dribble while keeping his head up so he can make plays off the dribble, and using head and ball fakes to get to the line 10-12 times a game.

if he does all these things he can help lead a team to the finals. he doesn't need help that's bullcrap-- he needs to help himself and learn how to help others, play for others. he needs to work on his game all summer long. wonder what he's up to right now. sure hope he's working on all these things.

Dk, I said this to another poster.. I think camelo will best help a team as he gets older and his role can be reduced. He is a gunner, a shooter, nothing more.. as a 6th man, on the right team, i think he can be a real weapon.. ala Jamal crawford.. I know people don't want to hear that, but I think that will be where he sees the most success, as a team in his whole career..

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

well first of all I didn't compare him to Jamal crawford and who cares about him being gifted a scoring title by durant.. I mean really? why can't we say, we compared former 6th man of the year in crawford to carmelo? should that be a knock on Jamal..

He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

now here we go! LOL. ." He LED his team" ok.. so what help does carmelo need? why is it always he "leads his team", but when they exit in the first round it is.. He needs help.. You can't have it both ways... The truth is, carmelo has been on some good teams, he has come up short in the playoffs.. A lot... his personal performances in the playoffs have been subpar for the most part... so I will give it a break when you give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

hell while I am at it, why can't I think of shumpert as Dwayne wade, or chandler as Bill Russel.. come on man.. carmelo is Nothing like pierce, nothing at all.. I can think of carmelo as Glen Robinson, very similar games and approach... that is more realistic, which is why I said, his best years as a team player may come with him as a 6th man.. it suits his skillset and mentality perfectly..... A gunner who really has nothing more to his game than scoring... honestly, i think he will do well in that position.. but again, I know this will upset most of the MELO fans... but down the road most fans will be selling him as the best 6th man to ever live.. just watch..LOL

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the best way forward is to trade carmelo anthony while he still has value. by the end of next season's playoff futility melo's value will drop significantly.

his only hope is getting in genuine nba shape, improve his footwork, devote his energy to playing defense, working on his dribble while keeping his head up so he can make plays off the dribble, and using head and ball fakes to get to the line 10-12 times a game.

if he does all these things he can help lead a team to the finals. he doesn't need help that's bullcrap-- he needs to help himself and learn how to help others, play for others. he needs to work on his game all summer long. wonder what he's up to right now. sure hope he's working on all these things.

Dk, I said this to another poster.. I think camelo will best help a team as he gets older and his role can be reduced. He is a gunner, a shooter, nothing more.. as a 6th man, on the right team, i think he can be a real weapon.. ala Jamal crawford.. I know people don't want to hear that, but I think that will be where he sees the most success, as a team in his whole career..

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

well first of all I didn't compare him to Jamal crawford and who cares about him being gifted a scoring title by durant.. I mean really? why can't we say, we compared former 6th man of the year in crawford to carmelo? should that be a knock on Jamal..

He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

now here we go! LOL. ." He LED his team" ok.. so what help does carmelo need? why is it always he "leads his team", but when they exit in the first round it is.. He needs help.. You can't have it both ways... The truth is, carmelo has been on some good teams, he has come up short in the playoffs.. A lot... his personal performances in the playoffs have been subpar for the most part... so I will give it a break when you give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

hell while I am at it, why can't I think of shumpert as Dwayne wade, or chandler as Bill Russel.. come on man.. carmelo is Nothing like pierce, nothing at all.. I can think of carmelo as Glen Robinson, very similar games and approach... that is more realistic, which is why I said, his best years as a team player may come with him as a 6th man.. it suits his skillset and mentality perfectly..... A gunner who really has nothing more to his game than scoring... honestly, i think he will do well in that position.. but again, I know this will upset most of the MELO fans... but down the road most fans will be selling him as the best 6th man to ever live.. just watch..LOL

cool, now explain to me what any of this has to do with the purpose of the thread. I'm siding with Papabear on this one about how your fixation with Melo is unhealthy.

Agreed, it is very bad. Let's compare Melo to Qytel Woods while we are at it. Bet he thinks Melo is compariable to him. Or maybe Lavor Postel.

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the best way forward is to trade carmelo anthony while he still has value. by the end of next season's playoff futility melo's value will drop significantly.

his only hope is getting in genuine nba shape, improve his footwork, devote his energy to playing defense, working on his dribble while keeping his head up so he can make plays off the dribble, and using head and ball fakes to get to the line 10-12 times a game.

if he does all these things he can help lead a team to the finals. he doesn't need help that's bullcrap-- he needs to help himself and learn how to help others, play for others. he needs to work on his game all summer long. wonder what he's up to right now. sure hope he's working on all these things.

Dk, I said this to another poster.. I think camelo will best help a team as he gets older and his role can be reduced. He is a gunner, a shooter, nothing more.. as a 6th man, on the right team, i think he can be a real weapon.. ala Jamal crawford.. I know people don't want to hear that, but I think that will be where he sees the most success, as a team in his whole career..

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

well first of all I didn't compare him to Jamal crawford and who cares about him being gifted a scoring title by durant.. I mean really? why can't we say, we compared former 6th man of the year in crawford to carmelo? should that be a knock on Jamal..

He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

now here we go! LOL. ." He LED his team" ok.. so what help does carmelo need? why is it always he "leads his team", but when they exit in the first round it is.. He needs help.. You can't have it both ways... The truth is, carmelo has been on some good teams, he has come up short in the playoffs.. A lot... his personal performances in the playoffs have been subpar for the most part... so I will give it a break when you give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

hell while I am at it, why can't I think of shumpert as Dwayne wade, or chandler as Bill Russel.. come on man.. carmelo is Nothing like pierce, nothing at all.. I can think of carmelo as Glen Robinson, very similar games and approach... that is more realistic, which is why I said, his best years as a team player may come with him as a 6th man.. it suits his skillset and mentality perfectly..... A gunner who really has nothing more to his game than scoring... honestly, i think he will do well in that position.. but again, I know this will upset most of the MELO fans... but down the road most fans will be selling him as the best 6th man to ever live.. just watch..LOL

Melo's success has far exceeded anyhting that Glenn Robinson did or Pierce prior to KG and Allen. If you would like someone else, go with McGrady who was the league's best scorer but didn't have a lot of playoff success. If you don't think Melo compared to Pierce when they were/are 29 years old, and think it's like comparing Shumpert or Dwade, you are a very bitter fan with extreme hatred for this player. Stop with all the hate and have a realistic view of a player. Pierce was known as a selfish player who didn't play good D and needed help. Then he got help and all is forgotten. But your comparisons are so rediculous i would honestly think you have never watched NBA basketball before. JR Smith is like Crawford, not Melo. Melo falls into that Pierce (at age 29), Mcgrady range of a player. Look at Pierce's success at age 29 and earlier and then let me know.

what success has carmelo had? Pleas list them.. and when you do that.. then you will understand why some of us hate when you bring up guys like durant and chris paul falling short to try to defend carmelo.... you can't have it both ways... so tell me, what success has carmelo had.. and please don't tell me about syracuse, his High school or grade school achievements..

And don't try to read my emotions.. extreme hatred? LOL.. I just don't think the guy is that good... so when we get the " build around melo" " get melo help" " save melo" "poor melo".. threads, I will call it out... this guy is nothing more than fools gold.. we should be trying to get rid of him..his history and resume stink, it is tainted and lacks any substance.. He is a volume shooter. Nothing more...

Lets discuss how the knicks can catch up with teams like the pacers.. start with moving carmelo, lets start there, any of this "building around carmelo" is futile.. and most of you guys know it.. But you have settled. you feel dolan won't trade him, so you are willing to just settle.. but that isn't me bro.. I don't work that way... I will keep holding out hope we get rid of him, and until then, I just don't buy into the "build around melo" crap... It never has worked.. never will IMO..

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the best way forward is to trade carmelo anthony while he still has value. by the end of next season's playoff futility melo's value will drop significantly.

his only hope is getting in genuine nba shape, improve his footwork, devote his energy to playing defense, working on his dribble while keeping his head up so he can make plays off the dribble, and using head and ball fakes to get to the line 10-12 times a game.

if he does all these things he can help lead a team to the finals. he doesn't need help that's bullcrap-- he needs to help himself and learn how to help others, play for others. he needs to work on his game all summer long. wonder what he's up to right now. sure hope he's working on all these things.

Dk, I said this to another poster.. I think camelo will best help a team as he gets older and his role can be reduced. He is a gunner, a shooter, nothing more.. as a 6th man, on the right team, i think he can be a real weapon.. ala Jamal crawford.. I know people don't want to hear that, but I think that will be where he sees the most success, as a team in his whole career..

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

well first of all I didn't compare him to Jamal crawford and who cares about him being gifted a scoring title by durant.. I mean really? why can't we say, we compared former 6th man of the year in crawford to carmelo? should that be a knock on Jamal..

He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

now here we go! LOL. ." He LED his team" ok.. so what help does carmelo need? why is it always he "leads his team", but when they exit in the first round it is.. He needs help.. You can't have it both ways... The truth is, carmelo has been on some good teams, he has come up short in the playoffs.. A lot... his personal performances in the playoffs have been subpar for the most part... so I will give it a break when you give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

hell while I am at it, why can't I think of shumpert as Dwayne wade, or chandler as Bill Russel.. come on man.. carmelo is Nothing like pierce, nothing at all.. I can think of carmelo as Glen Robinson, very similar games and approach... that is more realistic, which is why I said, his best years as a team player may come with him as a 6th man.. it suits his skillset and mentality perfectly..... A gunner who really has nothing more to his game than scoring... honestly, i think he will do well in that position.. but again, I know this will upset most of the MELO fans... but down the road most fans will be selling him as the best 6th man to ever live.. just watch..LOL

cool, now explain to me what any of this has to do with the purpose of the thread. I'm siding with Papabear on this one about how your fixation with Melo is unhealthy.

try reading... it was about swinging for the fences...someone suggested trading him. I responded to them in agreement.

then.. another poster responded with this:

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

I then responded..

then here you come asking a question that you could have answered yourself by doing a little reading. I was responding to a question that had nothing to do with this thread.... redirect your question to that poster...

Thanks

I'm sorry but as a general NBA fan beyond being a Knicks fan, when reading your comparison for Melo to Crawford, or saying melo to pierce is like comparing shumpert to Wade, chandler to Russell etc, i can no longer take you seriously. Look up Pierce's success prior to 2007, all the years he missed the playoffs, look up Glenn Robinson success and numbers in his career, before you make silly comments. That's all your comments are, just silly.

I could care less what you think about me.. but I am curious, where did I compare him to jamal crawford... would it have been better if I said he should be a 6th man like manu ginobili who is a better player by the way...

you get so caught up in someone not accepting carmelo as GREAT you now are creating arguments.. LOL.. come on man... where is the comparison to crawford? where did I compare him directly to crawford... or did I say he would be suited for a similar role.. In other words if you think carmelo should be built around then you are comparing him to guys like lebron? is that a fair comparison? for lebron? shouldn't that be an insult to lebron?

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the best way forward is to trade carmelo anthony while he still has value. by the end of next season's playoff futility melo's value will drop significantly.

his only hope is getting in genuine nba shape, improve his footwork, devote his energy to playing defense, working on his dribble while keeping his head up so he can make plays off the dribble, and using head and ball fakes to get to the line 10-12 times a game.

if he does all these things he can help lead a team to the finals. he doesn't need help that's bullcrap-- he needs to help himself and learn how to help others, play for others. he needs to work on his game all summer long. wonder what he's up to right now. sure hope he's working on all these things.

Dk, I said this to another poster.. I think camelo will best help a team as he gets older and his role can be reduced. He is a gunner, a shooter, nothing more.. as a 6th man, on the right team, i think he can be a real weapon.. ala Jamal crawford.. I know people don't want to hear that, but I think that will be where he sees the most success, as a team in his whole career..

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

well first of all I didn't compare him to Jamal crawford and who cares about him being gifted a scoring title by durant.. I mean really? why can't we say, we compared former 6th man of the year in crawford to carmelo? should that be a knock on Jamal..

He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

now here we go! LOL. ." He LED his team" ok.. so what help does carmelo need? why is it always he "leads his team", but when they exit in the first round it is.. He needs help.. You can't have it both ways... The truth is, carmelo has been on some good teams, he has come up short in the playoffs.. A lot... his personal performances in the playoffs have been subpar for the most part... so I will give it a break when you give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

hell while I am at it, why can't I think of shumpert as Dwayne wade, or chandler as Bill Russel.. come on man.. carmelo is Nothing like pierce, nothing at all.. I can think of carmelo as Glen Robinson, very similar games and approach... that is more realistic, which is why I said, his best years as a team player may come with him as a 6th man.. it suits his skillset and mentality perfectly..... A gunner who really has nothing more to his game than scoring... honestly, i think he will do well in that position.. but again, I know this will upset most of the MELO fans... but down the road most fans will be selling him as the best 6th man to ever live.. just watch..LOL

cool, now explain to me what any of this has to do with the purpose of the thread. I'm siding with Papabear on this one about how your fixation with Melo is unhealthy.

try reading... it was about swinging for the fences...someone suggested trading him. I responded to them in agreement.

then.. another poster responded with this:

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

I then responded..

then here you come asking a question that you could have answered yourself by doing a little reading. I was responding to a question that had nothing to do with this thread.... redirect your question to that poster...

Thanks

I'm sorry but as a general NBA fan beyond being a Knicks fan, when reading your comparison for Melo to Crawford, or saying melo to pierce is like comparing shumpert to Wade, chandler to Russell etc, i can no longer take you seriously. Look up Pierce's success prior to 2007, all the years he missed the playoffs, look up Glenn Robinson success and numbers in his career, before you make silly comments. That's all your comments are, just silly.

I could care less what you think about me.. but I am curious, where did I compare him to jamal crawford... would it have been better if I said he should be a 6th man like manu ginobili who is a better player by the way...

you get so caught up in someone not accepting carmelo as GREAT you now are creating arguments.. LOL.. come on man... where is the comparison to crawford? where did I compare him directly to crawford... or did I say he would be suited for a similar role.. In other words if you think carmelo should be built around then you are comparing him to guys like lebron? is that a fair comparison? for lebron? shouldn't that be an insult to lebron?

Never compared him to lebron, comparing him to Pierce (at age 29). And no Ginobili is not better. Take Melo off this team and replace with him and we don't win 54 games and get to the second round. Be serious.

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the best way forward is to trade carmelo anthony while he still has value. by the end of next season's playoff futility melo's value will drop significantly.

his only hope is getting in genuine nba shape, improve his footwork, devote his energy to playing defense, working on his dribble while keeping his head up so he can make plays off the dribble, and using head and ball fakes to get to the line 10-12 times a game.

if he does all these things he can help lead a team to the finals. he doesn't need help that's bullcrap-- he needs to help himself and learn how to help others, play for others. he needs to work on his game all summer long. wonder what he's up to right now. sure hope he's working on all these things.

Dk, I said this to another poster.. I think camelo will best help a team as he gets older and his role can be reduced. He is a gunner, a shooter, nothing more.. as a 6th man, on the right team, i think he can be a real weapon.. ala Jamal crawford.. I know people don't want to hear that, but I think that will be where he sees the most success, as a team in his whole career..

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

well first of all I didn't compare him to Jamal crawford and who cares about him being gifted a scoring title by durant.. I mean really? why can't we say, we compared former 6th man of the year in crawford to carmelo? should that be a knock on Jamal..

He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

now here we go! LOL. ." He LED his team" ok.. so what help does carmelo need? why is it always he "leads his team", but when they exit in the first round it is.. He needs help.. You can't have it both ways... The truth is, carmelo has been on some good teams, he has come up short in the playoffs.. A lot... his personal performances in the playoffs have been subpar for the most part... so I will give it a break when you give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

hell while I am at it, why can't I think of shumpert as Dwayne wade, or chandler as Bill Russel.. come on man.. carmelo is Nothing like pierce, nothing at all.. I can think of carmelo as Glen Robinson, very similar games and approach... that is more realistic, which is why I said, his best years as a team player may come with him as a 6th man.. it suits his skillset and mentality perfectly..... A gunner who really has nothing more to his game than scoring... honestly, i think he will do well in that position.. but again, I know this will upset most of the MELO fans... but down the road most fans will be selling him as the best 6th man to ever live.. just watch..LOL

cool, now explain to me what any of this has to do with the purpose of the thread. I'm siding with Papabear on this one about how your fixation with Melo is unhealthy.

try reading... it was about swinging for the fences...someone suggested trading him. I responded to them in agreement.

then.. another poster responded with this:

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

I then responded..

then here you come asking a question that you could have answered yourself by doing a little reading. I was responding to a question that had nothing to do with this thread.... redirect your question to that poster...

Thanks

I'm sorry but as a general NBA fan beyond being a Knicks fan, when reading your comparison for Melo to Crawford, or saying melo to pierce is like comparing shumpert to Wade, chandler to Russell etc, i can no longer take you seriously. Look up Pierce's success prior to 2007, all the years he missed the playoffs, look up Glenn Robinson success and numbers in his career, before you make silly comments. That's all your comments are, just silly.

I could care less what you think about me.. but I am curious, where did I compare him to jamal crawford... would it have been better if I said he should be a 6th man like manu ginobili who is a better player by the way...

you get so caught up in someone not accepting carmelo as GREAT you now are creating arguments.. LOL.. come on man... where is the comparison to crawford? where did I compare him directly to crawford... or did I say he would be suited for a similar role.. In other words if you think carmelo should be built around then you are comparing him to guys like lebron? is that a fair comparison? for lebron? shouldn't that be an insult to lebron?

Never compared him to lebron, comparing him to Pierce (at age 29). And no Ginobili is not better. Take Melo off this team and replace with him and we don't win 54 games and get to the second round. Be serious.

you are right.. we would win 50 games, be able to add more pieces and make it to the ECF..Thanks

Its easy to live in fantasy land and think its that easy. But thats fine. I'm sure if we had cap space Lebron would opt out and sign here next summer too. And Dwight would come this summer.

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dk7th wrote:the best way forward is to trade carmelo anthony while he still has value. by the end of next season's playoff futility melo's value will drop significantly.

his only hope is getting in genuine nba shape, improve his footwork, devote his energy to playing defense, working on his dribble while keeping his head up so he can make plays off the dribble, and using head and ball fakes to get to the line 10-12 times a game.

if he does all these things he can help lead a team to the finals. he doesn't need help that's bullcrap-- he needs to help himself and learn how to help others, play for others. he needs to work on his game all summer long. wonder what he's up to right now. sure hope he's working on all these things.

Dk, I said this to another poster.. I think camelo will best help a team as he gets older and his role can be reduced. He is a gunner, a shooter, nothing more.. as a 6th man, on the right team, i think he can be a real weapon.. ala Jamal crawford.. I know people don't want to hear that, but I think that will be where he sees the most success, as a team in his whole career..

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

well first of all I didn't compare him to Jamal crawford and who cares about him being gifted a scoring title by durant.. I mean really? why can't we say, we compared former 6th man of the year in crawford to carmelo? should that be a knock on Jamal..

He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

now here we go! LOL. ." He LED his team" ok.. so what help does carmelo need? why is it always he "leads his team", but when they exit in the first round it is.. He needs help.. You can't have it both ways... The truth is, carmelo has been on some good teams, he has come up short in the playoffs.. A lot... his personal performances in the playoffs have been subpar for the most part... so I will give it a break when you give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

hell while I am at it, why can't I think of shumpert as Dwayne wade, or chandler as Bill Russel.. come on man.. carmelo is Nothing like pierce, nothing at all.. I can think of carmelo as Glen Robinson, very similar games and approach... that is more realistic, which is why I said, his best years as a team player may come with him as a 6th man.. it suits his skillset and mentality perfectly..... A gunner who really has nothing more to his game than scoring... honestly, i think he will do well in that position.. but again, I know this will upset most of the MELO fans... but down the road most fans will be selling him as the best 6th man to ever live.. just watch..LOL

cool, now explain to me what any of this has to do with the purpose of the thread. I'm siding with Papabear on this one about how your fixation with Melo is unhealthy.

try reading... it was about swinging for the fences...someone suggested trading him. I responded to them in agreement.

then.. another poster responded with this:

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

I then responded..

then here you come asking a question that you could have answered yourself by doing a little reading. I was responding to a question that had nothing to do with this thread.... redirect your question to that poster...

Thanks

I'm sorry but as a general NBA fan beyond being a Knicks fan, when reading your comparison for Melo to Crawford, or saying melo to pierce is like comparing shumpert to Wade, chandler to Russell etc, i can no longer take you seriously. Look up Pierce's success prior to 2007, all the years he missed the playoffs, look up Glenn Robinson success and numbers in his career, before you make silly comments. That's all your comments are, just silly.

I could care less what you think about me.. but I am curious, where did I compare him to jamal crawford... would it have been better if I said he should be a 6th man like manu ginobili who is a better player by the way...

you get so caught up in someone not accepting carmelo as GREAT you now are creating arguments.. LOL.. come on man... where is the comparison to crawford? where did I compare him directly to crawford... or did I say he would be suited for a similar role.. In other words if you think carmelo should be built around then you are comparing him to guys like lebron? is that a fair comparison? for lebron? shouldn't that be an insult to lebron?

Never compared him to lebron, comparing him to Pierce (at age 29). And no Ginobili is not better. Take Melo off this team and replace with him and we don't win 54 games and get to the second round. Be serious.

you are right.. we would win 50 games, be able to add more pieces and make it to the ECF..Thanks

Its easy to live in fantasy land and think its that easy. But thats fine. I'm sure if we had cap space Lebron would opt out and sign here next summer too. And Dwight would come this summer.

dude You don't get it. i don't care about any of those guys.... Dwight can stay where he is at, and lebron has no interest in NY.. I want to build our own winner.. i want our own paul George, And hibbert, I want to go through the process of watching a team grow, be it one year or 3... This is not fantasy land.. YOU are in fantasy land, thinking we can duplicate what the celtics or Heat did, with inferior players and a jackass owner and bum coach.. come on dude!!!