CrushAlot wrote:

toad wrote:Nothing, really. Give Woody a chance to do better with a healthy Tyson, whatever minutes you get out of Amar'e. Hopefully Shump gets better than we even project. Add small pieces. Don't add long contracts to go for a short term fix. See where we're at in a couple of years.

Agree. The Knicks traded for a 26 year old superstar with the plan of pairing him with their other superstar. The other superstar has been injured and the pairing hasn't worked out but the Knicks have won a lot more post trade then they did pre-trade. Hopefully Grunwald hits a home run with the draft and finds some euros that can contribute right away and the Knicks have another great season and advance farther in the playoffs.

This is what True Knicks fans hopes come to fruition.^

playa2 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

toad wrote:Nothing, really. Give Woody a chance to do better with a healthy Tyson, whatever minutes you get out of Amar'e. Hopefully Shump gets better than we even project. Add small pieces. Don't add long contracts to go for a short term fix. See where we're at in a couple of years.

Agree. The Knicks traded for a 26 year old superstar with the plan of pairing him with their other superstar. The other superstar has been injured and the pairing hasn't worked out but the Knicks have won a lot more post trade then they did pre-trade. Hopefully Grunwald hits a home run with the draft and finds some euros that can contribute right away and the Knicks have another great season and advance farther in the playoffs.

This is what True Knicks fans hopes come to fruition.^

stoudemire and melo cannot co-exist. they have the same tragic flaw-- they make nobody around them better, especially one another.

hope and dream all you want i am going to sit back and watch the five stages of grief as the squirming continues.

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I don't know what hell is the meaning of What should we do with Melo. I should say what should we do to help Melo. Every damn thread is bash Melo time. Damn can't we talk about something else. This is getting sick. Just like the two sicko brothers. which one I have on ignore. The best year we had in 13 years and you still complain. Now about winning it all aka a championship. You have 12 other good teams thinking the same thing but there can only be one winner. So does the rest of the league suck? I believe that half of the people on this forum only care about is how you play the game and not winning the game. I bet no one on this forum would be willing to give up a raise in pay just to bring in someone else on your work team. Hell No! give me mine. Now you say regular season don't count and what Melo did then dosent mean a thing. Let me tell you something every game is an important game.

Some threads are critical of Melo but almost all of your comments bash many if not the majority of the forum members here. Have you thought about finding a forum where you respect the views of the members more? I know I could just put you on ignore but I don't have anyone on ignore and I don't like doing that. It's irritating to see someone bash our forum so often though.

Papabear Says

Bonn 1997 I can't help it if you have a problem about Melo or this team. You are of the minority with your views. The majority of the form members are in favor of Melo the same way I am.Go to a Knicks game and you will see how much love the fans (who spend thier money have for Melo) Does he have to change some things? of course so but Melo ain't the problem. 13years 13 years of loosing and now it's over. That's something to celebrate. As far as I'm concern you can say or do what you want to say and I'll just say to you 13 years of hell is over. And we will get better. 13 years

Hersports85 wrote:

playa2 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

toad wrote:Nothing, really. Give Woody a chance to do better with a healthy Tyson, whatever minutes you get out of Amar'e. Hopefully Shump gets better than we even project. Add small pieces. Don't add long contracts to go for a short term fix. See where we're at in a couple of years.

Agree. The Knicks traded for a 26 year old superstar with the plan of pairing him with their other superstar. The other superstar has been injured and the pairing hasn't worked out but the Knicks have won a lot more post trade then they did pre-trade. Hopefully Grunwald hits a home run with the draft and finds some euros that can contribute right away and the Knicks have another great season and advance farther in the playoffs.

This is what True Knicks fans hopes come to fruition.^

+100000

I think you keep Melo though. Looking at other players that play a similar style, without question Melo has another good 4-5 years playing at the level he's playing and since being in New York he has consistently gotten himself in better condition.

What I would like to see.

1. Melo here for the long haul, retires as a knick. But either develop his skillset (which i'm not sure will happen) or take on the D. Wade/ S. Pippen role. He's deadly when shooting in rhythm and moving off screens.

2. We build around Shump and Melo, while keeping Felton and maybe copeland. - everyone else is expendable.

3. When looking for someone to play alongside of Melo, it has to be a player that can A. Control the floor and score efficiently, or a low post scoring threat who can draw double teams and create for himself.

4. My problem is really not Melo, It's Amare - and I hate to say it because he has a crazy work ethic, it just doesn't agree with his body.

5. Like the guys above me, I hope we're able to have a good draft; retire/buyout Camby and Kidd. and add some good youthful/not too old veterans that's able to contribute. There are some good FA's available that I think will be able to help a lot with our weaknesses.

6. When Jr. Smith is your number 2 option, I don't care how you slice it ... it's bad for business. I always said he's more of a wildcard ... when he has it going, he can beat a team by himself.

Would you pay him 20-25m+ for the next 5 years if he opts out next year?
Do you think we can still build have the financial ability to add the pieces we need to contend if so?

What I am saying is simple, DON"T GIVE MELO THE ABILITY TO SCREW US, take your opt clause off, if not....

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I just don't understand why we need another Trade Melo or not Trade Melo when we know what the answer is. Focus your opinions somewhere else because we get nothing but bad arguments out of this.

I wanted a poll to see where the board was at. Unless I'm mistaken this is the first poll on the topic since the season ended.

I understand but every thread turns into this. And you know it's a moot point plus no good will come of it. We are keeping Melo and we know a lot of people here disagree with that but it's the way it is. We could argue this point all day, but the focus should be on improving the team, not blowing it up which will never happen.

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

toad wrote:Nothing, really. Give Woody a chance to do better with a healthy Tyson, whatever minutes you get out of Amar'e. Hopefully Shump gets better than we even project. Add small pieces. Don't add long contracts to go for a short term fix. See where we're at in a couple of years.

Agree. The Knicks traded for a 26 year old superstar with the plan of pairing him with their other superstar. The other superstar has been injured and the pairing hasn't worked out but the Knicks have won a lot more post trade then they did pre-trade. Hopefully Grunwald hits a home run with the draft and finds some euros that can contribute right away and the Knicks have another great season and advance farther in the playoffs.

This is what True Knicks fans hopes come to fruition.^

stoudemire and melo cannot stay healthy.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I just don't understand why we need another Trade Melo or not Trade Melo when we know what the answer is. Focus your opinions somewhere else because we get nothing but bad arguments out of this.

I wanted a poll to see where the board was at. Unless I'm mistaken this is the first poll on the topic since the season ended.

Seems like don't trade and build around Melo Won

RonRon wrote:Dear Papa Bear,

Don't compare Melo with Lebron or Durant and then shoot down the efficiency comments about Melo
They are more skilled then Melo and that is fine, they simply make players around them better
They are not the same type of players and that is fine, problem is Melo thinks he is in the same category as those players when he is not

I personally can accept that fact that both Lebron and Durant are superior and I don't expect Melo to do the things that they can
So Melo should not try to mimic them if he does not have the skill sets of Durant and Lebron, two of which are on different islands when compared to Melo
Judging from your past post's, on the other hand, want to put them in the same category and try to find every reason to bash Lebron and Durant to bring them closer to Melo
Ironically, you dislike the criticism if they are measured by their skill sets, stats, and accomplishments
I can only think of that guy that got banned and came back to post and left/or got banned again, that thinks this way besides you
If you don't want Melo to compared to them, don't, if you want to compare them to Melo you will likely be the only one that would even try defending it

oh, NYKMENTALLYILL

Good try with the efficiency crap. Listen maybe you will learn something. LeBron is a great player and is better than Melo. LeBron also have Bosh, and Dwayne Wade plus others. Who does Melo have?? If you put LeBron on this Knicks team they still loose. Either you are too blind to see that or you don't want to. 13 damn years of hell and that all you can say?? I don't care if you won't give the man credit. You can sit here and post till the cows come home with your flawed stats and weak posts or should I say all some of you do is say the same thing over and over again. You want to trade Melo to go back to the dark side?? 13 years 13 years. Not me I say move forward. I think what makes some of you mad is that you know that Melo will be here for a while. So stop complaining and face the facts . Some of you have been on the loosing dark side for so long 13 years you don't know how to act when we have a winning season. 13 years of hell and Melo brought us out of it whether you like it or not. Now Durant also is a great player but the players around him is better than what Melo has around him. You say Melo don't have many assists, well maybe if his team mates stop throwing up bricks his assists just might go up. You see your analysis on Melo is flawed. 13 years 13 years. get real and face the truth.

Bledsoe, Griffin, Jordan, Hill, and 25th pick

Everybody happy.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I just don't understand why we need another Trade Melo or not Trade Melo when we know what the answer is. Focus your opinions somewhere else because we get nothing but bad arguments out of this.

I wasn't even going to get involved in this thread but, your statement is so spot on I had to come in and give you the thumbs up

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I don't know what hell is the meaning of What should we do with Melo. I should say what should we do to help Melo. Every damn thread is bash Melo time. Damn can't we talk about something else. This is getting sick. Just like the two sicko brothers. which one I have on ignore. The best year we had in 13 years and you still complain. Now about winning it all aka a championship. You have 12 other good teams thinking the same thing but there can only be one winner. So does the rest of the league suck? I believe that half of the people on this forum only care about is how you play the game and not winning the game. I bet no one on this forum would be willing to give up a raise in pay just to bring in someone else on your work team. Hell No! give me mine. Now you say regular season don't count and what Melo did then dosent mean a thing. Let me tell you something every game is an important game.

Some threads are critical of Melo but almost all of your comments bash many if not the majority of the forum members here. Have you thought about finding a forum where you respect the views of the members more? I know I could just put you on ignore but I don't have anyone on ignore and I don't like doing that. It's irritating to see someone bash our forum so often though.

Papabear Says

Bonn 1997 I can't help it if you have a problem about Melo or this team. You are of the minority with your views. The majority of the form members are in favor of Melo the same way I am.Go to a Knicks game and you will see how much love the fans (who spend thier money have for Melo) Does he have to change some things? of course so but Melo ain't the problem. 13years 13 years of loosing and now it's over. That's something to celebrate. As far as I'm concern you can say or do what you want to say and I'll just say to you 13 years of hell is over. And we will get better. 13 years

You're saying I'm in the minority but a second ago you criticized half the people on this board (bold above)? You know half is not a minority, right? And actually about 60% of the people in this thread don't think we can build a contender around Melo. Nevertheless, I have no problem with you feeling that the losing is over and feeling that we accomplished something meaningful. It's when you constantly bash the majority of our forum that it's ridiculous.

with increasing sample size your 60% tendency is going the reverse way it seems ...