knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Can Mark Berman please cite his "source."?

just once.

Nope he wants to see us squirm here on UK.

boeheim is a hypocritical douche, just another corrupt coaching cog comprising the ncaa conveyor belt. coaches are supposed to be mentors. where was he when melo was trying to put money before team? of course melo has no team-- he made sure of it!

exactly... these dudes are hilarous.. I pay them no mind man.. hypocrites, all of them!

TKF: hey DK

DK: wassup TKf

TKF: can you paint my house for me?

DK: sure, I will charge 3k

TKF: wow, Ok that was my complete budget, help included, you will have no help man

DK: well TKF, I am the best pure paitner out there, I want to get paid. regardless

Tkf: Ok, as long as you get it done bro

DK: OK

5 days later

TKF: DK, why isn't my house complete yet? I see mistakes and just a incomplete job

DK: what do you expect, I need help.

TKf: bangs head against wall...

Only issue? Your house is built on quicksand (Amare and his worthless contract) Amare was supposed to be the help too bad he's done.

what does that have to do with me getting it painted.. I had enough money left actually have the house moved off the foundation and relocated if need be( which the knicks did even after signing amare, they had cap space, picks and young players).. instead of spending that money on that, I spent the rest of my budget adding more quicksand around the foundation( carmelo trade)...

The point being no matter whom was available....nothing would have helped the Knicks with Amare and his garbage contract...if it's title or nothing.

The main problem is Amare is useless.

first of all that isn't true.. second, it was the moves after amare that is hurting us just as much... did we have to make any moves that involved a max player (other than chris paul or lebron) and one limited player( tyson) making killer money?

maybe a series of smaller moves would have given us a team similar to the pacers and bulls, with flexibility, youth and talent, and if amare knees had betrayed him, maybe use the amnesty on him, and keep it moving.. it is called having options..

Knixkik wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Vmart wrote:Forget the sources, everyone knows that the Knicks need to get better. They need help scoring all their bigs were a big let down this year. Relying on JR Smith to be a scoring option isn't what you call a smart decision. Ray Felton coming up small in elimination game speaks volumes about his game. Shumpert is still feeling his way through the injury. So if you really look at the Knicks roster they need help a lot of it because most of the vets they relied on for the fast start are done.

All the vets are broken down players. Amare can't really rely on him to be healthy, same with Camby, Kidd is finished, Wallace retired, and Kenyon is a one way player at this stage in his career. There is very little to work with for the Knicks. I can't see the Knicks having a year like they did this year. The Knicks window was this year only unlike Boston had with their vets KG, Peirce and Allen.

Knicks at are a stage where they have to create a new window of opportunity. The window for this current team is closed.

I agree with you but I think we have a core u settling issue that unless addressed will mean we won't be able to win a chip with Melo. It's the combination of a "Star" player who is a one dimensional ball hog and a coach unable to design and run an offense.

If we can get a coach who can force Melo to play in an offensive system and not have him pout about the ridiculous number of shots he is jacking up or if we can get another star player who becomes the primary option with Melo playing the secondary option then our window will re-open.

What we will do instead is repeat this insanity where we spend the entire season without an offensive plan and without involving any of the supporting cast in the offense and then when Melo fails to score 60 points during the playoffs we will pint fingers at everyone but him.

What no one explains is how the supporting players are suddenly expected to start making shots after being completely ignored and forgotten on offense throughout the entire season. That applies to just about everyone except JR and he had a meltdown.

Our problems are simple:

A. Melo can't play with others who need to score the ball - unless he had a guy like Coach K to check his ego
B. Melo then has issues with not having others that can score the ball
C. Woody doesn't know how to coach an offense

If we can solve one of those we might get closer.

We need a scorer bad, one who can shoot and play off of Melo. If its a guard they must be a 3-pt shooter, if its a bigman they must be a solid midrange shooter and post scorer in the David West mold. But we need a guy. I would like to see Shumpert become the 3rd option and JR Smith as the 4th option and 6th man of course. Shumpert does have star potential and can increase his role each year, but we need that 2nd guy now and can't rely on him to be that until year 4 or 5.

Thought after 10 years in the NBA folks would realize what he is and stop trying to make him into something else.

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Can Mark Berman please cite his "source."?

just once.

Nope he wants to see us squirm here on UK.

boeheim is a hypocritical douche, just another corrupt coaching cog comprising the ncaa conveyor belt. coaches are supposed to be mentors. where was he when melo was trying to put money before team? of course melo has no team-- he made sure of it!

exactly... these dudes are hilarous.. I pay them no mind man.. hypocrites, all of them!

TKF: hey DK

DK: wassup TKf

TKF: can you paint my house for me?

DK: sure, I will charge 3k

TKF: wow, Ok that was my complete budget, help included, you will have no help man

DK: well TKF, I am the best pure paitner out there, I want to get paid. regardless

Tkf: Ok, as long as you get it done bro

DK: OK

5 days later

TKF: DK, why isn't my house complete yet? I see mistakes and just a incomplete job

DK: what do you expect, I need help.

TKf: bangs head against wall...

Only issue? Your house is built on quicksand (Amare and his worthless contract) Amare was supposed to be the help too bad he's done.

how is he demoted to "the help" when he was the first max contract? what's up with the switcheroo?

Amare has been the help immediately after the trade.

He isn't even that much now.

Just a wasted 100 mil.

toad wrote:Well, apparently everyone becomes "the help that isn't much help" once Carmelo Anthony rolls into town.

and it's never melo's fault when he doesn't have enough help.

Hersports85 wrote:Where can I find the ignore button? Some of these posters are straight clowns.

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Can Mark Berman please cite his "source."?

just once.

Nope he wants to see us squirm here on UK.

boeheim is a hypocritical douche, just another corrupt coaching cog comprising the ncaa conveyor belt. coaches are supposed to be mentors. where was he when melo was trying to put money before team? of course melo has no team-- he made sure of it!

exactly... these dudes are hilarous.. I pay them no mind man.. hypocrites, all of them!

TKF: hey DK

DK: wassup TKf

TKF: can you paint my house for me?

DK: sure, I will charge 3k

TKF: wow, Ok that was my complete budget, help included, you will have no help man

DK: well TKF, I am the best pure paitner out there, I want to get paid. regardless

Tkf: Ok, as long as you get it done bro

DK: OK

5 days later

TKF: DK, why isn't my house complete yet? I see mistakes and just a incomplete job

DK: what do you expect, I need help.

TKf: bangs head against wall...

Only issue? Your house is built on quicksand (Amare and his worthless contract) Amare was supposed to be the help too bad he's done.

how is he demoted to "the help" when he was the first max contract? what's up with the switcheroo?

Amare has been the help immediately after the trade.

He isn't even that much now.

Just a wasted 100 mil.

but why in your mind did he immediately become the help after the trade happened?

RonRon wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Can Mark Berman please cite his "source."?

just once.

Nope he wants to see us squirm here on UK.

boeheim is a hypocritical douche, just another corrupt coaching cog comprising the ncaa conveyor belt. coaches are supposed to be mentors. where was he when melo was trying to put money before team? of course melo has no team-- he made sure of it!

exactly... these dudes are hilarous.. I pay them no mind man.. hypocrites, all of them!

TKF: hey DK

DK: wassup TKf

TKF: can you paint my house for me?

DK: sure, I will charge 3k

TKF: wow, Ok that was my complete budget, help included, you will have no help man

DK: well TKF, I am the best pure paitner out there, I want to get paid. regardless

Tkf: Ok, as long as you get it done bro

DK: OK

5 days later

TKF: DK, why isn't my house complete yet? I see mistakes and just a incomplete job

DK: what do you expect, I need help.

TKf: bangs head against wall...

Only issue? Your house is built on quicksand (Amare and his worthless contract) Amare was supposed to be the help too bad he's done.

how is he demoted to "the help" when he was the first max contract? what's up with the switcheroo?

Amare has been the help immediately after the trade.

He isn't even that much now.

Just a wasted 100 mil.

but why in your mind did he immediately become the help after the trade happened?

Let's revisit the trades for Cp3 and Harden vs Melo, anyone that still doesn't agree that we did not OVERPAY for Melo vs those players that actually makes other's around them better
Harden needs to excel at playing off the ball but his penetration actually opens up players
Melo was defended by Paul George 1v1 and Hibbert was protecting the paint, THERE WERE NOT DOUBLE TEAMS

"We needed a star like Anthony and we can traded ROLE PLAYERS FOR HIM that can easily be replaced"

"We had to pay that price if not Net's would get him"

"He need's help and Anthony has done all he can"

The same hypocrites say the same crap that praise Anthony and goes against what they said and believe...

We had leverage on Denver as long as Anthony would just say "I ONLY WOULD SIGN AN EXTENSION WITH NYK"
Had he said those words instead and actually cared about winning rather than building an enterprise in NYK, we would still have asset's to use to build around him
But the truth is, HE DID NOT CARE

Now he is setting up why he could opt out and leave for NOTHING if he cannot get the help needed....
So Knick's management really should think about trading Tyson Chandler or/and Melo *unless he agree's to forgo his opt out option after next season*

RonRon, you must have done some vulcan mind meld with me bro.... pretty much spot on with how I feel.. actually 100%..

"We needed a star like Anthony and we can traded ROLE PLAYERS FOR HIM that can easily be replaced"

that one gets me the most.. I am still waiting to adequately replace gallo, chandler, and hell even moz.. who gave us some size and athleticism off the bench, plus 6 fouls.... something we sorely lack right now..

"We had to pay that price if not Net's would get him"

the nets played us like a fiddle pretty much knowing like the fans, dolan probably felt the same way..

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Can Mark Berman please cite his "source."?

just once.

Nope he wants to see us squirm here on UK.

boeheim is a hypocritical douche, just another corrupt coaching cog comprising the ncaa conveyor belt. coaches are supposed to be mentors. where was he when melo was trying to put money before team? of course melo has no team-- he made sure of it!

exactly... these dudes are hilarous.. I pay them no mind man.. hypocrites, all of them!

TKF: hey DK

DK: wassup TKf

TKF: can you paint my house for me?

DK: sure, I will charge 3k

TKF: wow, Ok that was my complete budget, help included, you will have no help man

DK: well TKF, I am the best pure paitner out there, I want to get paid. regardless

Tkf: Ok, as long as you get it done bro

DK: OK

5 days later

TKF: DK, why isn't my house complete yet? I see mistakes and just a incomplete job

DK: what do you expect, I need help.

TKf: bangs head against wall...

Only issue? Your house is built on quicksand (Amare and his worthless contract) Amare was supposed to be the help too bad he's done.

how is he demoted to "the help" when he was the first max contract? what's up with the switcheroo?

Amare has been the help immediately after the trade.

He isn't even that much now.

Just a wasted 100 mil.

but why in your mind did he immediately become the help after the trade happened?

I judge by playoffs, once amare hurt his back he became second option, but his knees were well known, it was a matter of time before he became no option at all, like in his third year.

RonRon wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Can Mark Berman please cite his "source."?

just once.

Nope he wants to see us squirm here on UK.

boeheim is a hypocritical douche, just another corrupt coaching cog comprising the ncaa conveyor belt. coaches are supposed to be mentors. where was he when melo was trying to put money before team? of course melo has no team-- he made sure of it!

exactly... these dudes are hilarous.. I pay them no mind man.. hypocrites, all of them!

TKF: hey DK

DK: wassup TKf

TKF: can you paint my house for me?

DK: sure, I will charge 3k

TKF: wow, Ok that was my complete budget, help included, you will have no help man

DK: well TKF, I am the best pure paitner out there, I want to get paid. regardless

Tkf: Ok, as long as you get it done bro

DK: OK

5 days later

TKF: DK, why isn't my house complete yet? I see mistakes and just a incomplete job

DK: what do you expect, I need help.

TKf: bangs head against wall...

Only issue? Your house is built on quicksand (Amare and his worthless contract) Amare was supposed to be the help too bad he's done.

how is he demoted to "the help" when he was the first max contract? what's up with the switcheroo?

Amare has been the help immediately after the trade.

He isn't even that much now.

Just a wasted 100 mil.

but why in your mind did he immediately become the help after the trade happened?

Let's revisit the trades for Cp3 and Harden vs Melo, anyone that still doesn't agree that we did not OVERPAY for Melo vs those players that actually makes other's around them better
Harden needs to excel at playing off the ball but his penetration actually opens up players
Melo was defended by Paul George 1v1 and Hibbert was protecting the paint, THERE WERE NOT DOUBLE TEAMS

"We needed a star like Anthony and we can traded ROLE PLAYERS FOR HIM that can easily be replaced"

"We had to pay that price if not Net's would get him"

"He need's help and Anthony has done all he can"

The same hypocrites say the same crap that praise Anthony and goes against what they said and believe...

We had leverage on Denver as long as Anthony would just say "I ONLY WOULD SIGN AN EXTENSION WITH NYK"
Had he said those words instead and actually cared about winning rather than building an enterprise in NYK, we would still have asset's to use to build around him
But the truth is, HE DID NOT CARE

Now he is setting up why he could opt out and leave for NOTHING if he cannot get the help needed....
So Knick's management really should think about trading Tyson Chandler or/and Melo *unless he agree's to forgo his opt out option after next season*

big ups for telling it straight no chaser. i love the incremental revisionist history that goes on with the legions of carmelo anthony fans littering the internet. what a hoot.

2010-2011 team going nowhere. traded away garbage. role players easily replaceable. best team he's ever played on. lin is garbage. surrounded by savvy veterans. "i don't need to score points i'm gonna focus on doing all the other things." 2.5 assists per game and 2.5 turnovers per game. highest usage rate of his career at 35.6%. two point guards in the backcourt. 17th ranked defense. 18th in OFG%. 30th in assist rate. "melo is doing all he can." "his supporting cast needs to step up." "melo needs help."

tkf wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Can Mark Berman please cite his "source."?

just once.

Nope he wants to see us squirm here on UK.

boeheim is a hypocritical douche, just another corrupt coaching cog comprising the ncaa conveyor belt. coaches are supposed to be mentors. where was he when melo was trying to put money before team? of course melo has no team-- he made sure of it!

exactly... these dudes are hilarous.. I pay them no mind man.. hypocrites, all of them!

TKF: hey DK

DK: wassup TKf

TKF: can you paint my house for me?

DK: sure, I will charge 3k

TKF: wow, Ok that was my complete budget, help included, you will have no help man

DK: well TKF, I am the best pure paitner out there, I want to get paid. regardless

Tkf: Ok, as long as you get it done bro

DK: OK

5 days later

TKF: DK, why isn't my house complete yet? I see mistakes and just a incomplete job

DK: what do you expect, I need help.

TKf: bangs head against wall...

Only issue? Your house is built on quicksand (Amare and his worthless contract) Amare was supposed to be the help too bad he's done.

how is he demoted to "the help" when he was the first max contract? what's up with the switcheroo?

Amare has been the help immediately after the trade.

He isn't even that much now.

Just a wasted 100 mil.

but why in your mind did he immediately become the help after the trade happened?

Amare was the first option before the trade. Melo is a better player than Amare is. Melo gets traded here and becomes the first option which i guess bumps Amare to the 2nd option.

I would dissagree, especially with the amare we got for the first half of his first year here..

In what way is Amare better than him?

Really? I don't want to go through this...

AnubisADL wrote:

The usual suspects at it again.

Another great anti-Melo convo!!! Everyone would rather play this game then focus on how to make this team better.