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NardDogNation
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5/27/2013  12:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/27/2013  1:03 PM
tkf wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
tkf wrote:I like shumpert a lot.. but he is nothing like paul george...or in that class.. may never be...

Paul George is stinking it up this game. And is not coming off an ACL injury. Shumpert we TRUST


do you realize how ridiculous it is to point to one game to try to prove your point.. Ok, so what about games one and two? should we say shumpert will be the next paul george every time he has a bad game? come on man.. HE is nothing like paul george, doesn't have the game, height or length.. and shumpert can't help this... and coming off an ACL injury is irrelevant...

really why must knick fans grab hold to something, blow it through the roof and try to justify it at all cost? It is ok if shumpert won't be as good as paul George, not many players in the league will be very soon...

Do you know how ridiculous it is to point to a playoff series to anoint a player as being better than a 9 year vet who eclipsed him in nearly every relevant metric?
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5/27/2013  1:07 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
tkf wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
tkf wrote:I like shumpert a lot.. but he is nothing like paul george...or in that class.. may never be...

Paul George is stinking it up this game. And is not coming off an ACL injury. Shumpert we TRUST


do you realize how ridiculous it is to point to one game to try to prove your point.. Ok, so what about games one and two? should we say shumpert will be the next paul george every time he has a bad game? come on man.. HE is nothing like paul george, doesn't have the game, height or length.. and shumpert can't help this... and coming off an ACL injury is irrelevant...

really why must knick fans grab hold to something, blow it through the roof and try to justify it at all cost? It is ok if shumpert won't be as good as paul George, not many players in the league will be very soon...

Do you know how ridiculous it is to point to a playoff series to anoint a player as being better than a 9 year vet who eclipsed him in nearly every relevant metric?


Actually, George eclipsed Melo in every metric other than total points.
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5/27/2013  1:23 PM
As I think about it more it won't take that much for Shump to join George category. He might not be able to grab as many boards but with an increased role I could see him easily as a 16-6-5 guy next year with better shooting numbers. He won't have Paul height but the ability to defend and contribute on offense is there.
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5/27/2013  2:14 PM
I really like Iman. No need to rain praise on him now though. He still has a lot of room for improvement.
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Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
tkf wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
tkf wrote:I like shumpert a lot.. but he is nothing like paul george...or in that class.. may never be...

Paul George is stinking it up this game. And is not coming off an ACL injury. Shumpert we TRUST


do you realize how ridiculous it is to point to one game to try to prove your point.. Ok, so what about games one and two? should we say shumpert will be the next paul george every time he has a bad game? come on man.. HE is nothing like paul george, doesn't have the game, height or length.. and shumpert can't help this... and coming off an ACL injury is irrelevant...

really why must knick fans grab hold to something, blow it through the roof and try to justify it at all cost? It is ok if shumpert won't be as good as paul George, not many players in the league will be very soon...

Do you know how ridiculous it is to point to a playoff series to anoint a player as being better than a 9 year vet who eclipsed him in nearly every relevant metric?


Actually, George eclipsed Melo in every metric other than total points.

Melo also rebounded better, shot the ball better from the field and free throw line and also had fewer turnovers per game in 4 less minutes per game. George got more assists per game....and that was just about it.
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5/27/2013  5:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/27/2013  5:21 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
tkf wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
tkf wrote:I like shumpert a lot.. but he is nothing like paul george...or in that class.. may never be...

Paul George is stinking it up this game. And is not coming off an ACL injury. Shumpert we TRUST


do you realize how ridiculous it is to point to one game to try to prove your point.. Ok, so what about games one and two? should we say shumpert will be the next paul george every time he has a bad game? come on man.. HE is nothing like paul george, doesn't have the game, height or length.. and shumpert can't help this... and coming off an ACL injury is irrelevant...

really why must knick fans grab hold to something, blow it through the roof and try to justify it at all cost? It is ok if shumpert won't be as good as paul George, not many players in the league will be very soon...

Do you know how ridiculous it is to point to a playoff series to anoint a player as being better than a 9 year vet who eclipsed him in nearly every relevant metric?


Actually, George eclipsed Melo in every metric other than total points.

Melo also rebounded better

How is 6.9 rbs/a game at PF better than 7.6 at SF? Note that I'm look at #s for the full season since you, correctly, pointed out that it's ridiculous to look at just one playoff series. Even if you just look at the post-season series, George still rebounds much better for his position than Melo does, though.

shot the ball better from the field and free throw line

That's incorporated in total points, which I acknowledged was a sizable advantage for Melo.
fewer turnovers per game

Melo averages more turnovers and fewer assists.

Melo has a meaningful and sizable scoring advantage but George is better at everything else.
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5/27/2013  6:27 PM
DOes every thread has to be about Melo? There is another thread for the Melo vs George debate. Let's get this back to Iman.
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5/27/2013  7:13 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
tkf wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
tkf wrote:I like shumpert a lot.. but he is nothing like paul george...or in that class.. may never be...

Paul George is stinking it up this game. And is not coming off an ACL injury. Shumpert we TRUST


do you realize how ridiculous it is to point to one game to try to prove your point.. Ok, so what about games one and two? should we say shumpert will be the next paul george every time he has a bad game? come on man.. HE is nothing like paul george, doesn't have the game, height or length.. and shumpert can't help this... and coming off an ACL injury is irrelevant...

really why must knick fans grab hold to something, blow it through the roof and try to justify it at all cost? It is ok if shumpert won't be as good as paul George, not many players in the league will be very soon...

Do you know how ridiculous it is to point to a playoff series to anoint a player as being better than a 9 year vet who eclipsed him in nearly every relevant metric?


Actually, George eclipsed Melo in every metric other than total points.

Hard to believe that's what u see as much as you want to believe it.
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5/27/2013  7:32 PM
Knixkik wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
tkf wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
tkf wrote:I like shumpert a lot.. but he is nothing like paul george...or in that class.. may never be...

Paul George is stinking it up this game. And is not coming off an ACL injury. Shumpert we TRUST


do you realize how ridiculous it is to point to one game to try to prove your point.. Ok, so what about games one and two? should we say shumpert will be the next paul george every time he has a bad game? come on man.. HE is nothing like paul george, doesn't have the game, height or length.. and shumpert can't help this... and coming off an ACL injury is irrelevant...

really why must knick fans grab hold to something, blow it through the roof and try to justify it at all cost? It is ok if shumpert won't be as good as paul George, not many players in the league will be very soon...

Do you know how ridiculous it is to point to a playoff series to anoint a player as being better than a 9 year vet who eclipsed him in nearly every relevant metric?


Actually, George eclipsed Melo in every metric other than total points.

Hard to believe that's what u see as much as you want to believe it.

You're resorting to hyperbole. Post some evidence.
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5/27/2013  8:24 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
tkf wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
tkf wrote:I like shumpert a lot.. but he is nothing like paul george...or in that class.. may never be...

Paul George is stinking it up this game. And is not coming off an ACL injury. Shumpert we TRUST


do you realize how ridiculous it is to point to one game to try to prove your point.. Ok, so what about games one and two? should we say shumpert will be the next paul george every time he has a bad game? come on man.. HE is nothing like paul george, doesn't have the game, height or length.. and shumpert can't help this... and coming off an ACL injury is irrelevant...

really why must knick fans grab hold to something, blow it through the roof and try to justify it at all cost? It is ok if shumpert won't be as good as paul George, not many players in the league will be very soon...

Do you know how ridiculous it is to point to a playoff series to anoint a player as being better than a 9 year vet who eclipsed him in nearly every relevant metric?


Actually, George eclipsed Melo in every metric other than total points.

Hard to believe that's what u see as much as you want to believe it.

You're resorting to hyperbole. Post some evidence.

It's simple. Every year there are players who get more attention as a result of making it deep into the playoffs. He's on a great team that are strong at every position. If they got knocked out first round no one would think much of him. He's a good player don't get me wrong, an up and coming player. As much as you want to believe he's better than Melo he has a long ways to go. Take Melo off this team and replace him with George and we are a 43-win team, first round exit, nothing more.
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5/27/2013  8:51 PM
Knixkik wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
tkf wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
tkf wrote:I like shumpert a lot.. but he is nothing like paul george...or in that class.. may never be...

Paul George is stinking it up this game. And is not coming off an ACL injury. Shumpert we TRUST


do you realize how ridiculous it is to point to one game to try to prove your point.. Ok, so what about games one and two? should we say shumpert will be the next paul george every time he has a bad game? come on man.. HE is nothing like paul george, doesn't have the game, height or length.. and shumpert can't help this... and coming off an ACL injury is irrelevant...

really why must knick fans grab hold to something, blow it through the roof and try to justify it at all cost? It is ok if shumpert won't be as good as paul George, not many players in the league will be very soon...

Do you know how ridiculous it is to point to a playoff series to anoint a player as being better than a 9 year vet who eclipsed him in nearly every relevant metric?


Actually, George eclipsed Melo in every metric other than total points.

Hard to believe that's what u see as much as you want to believe it.

You're resorting to hyperbole. Post some evidence.

It's simple. Every year there are players who get more attention as a result of making it deep into the playoffs. He's on a great team that are strong at every position. If they got knocked out first round no one would think much of him. He's a good player don't get me wrong, an up and coming player. As much as you want to believe he's better than Melo he has a long ways to go. Take Melo off this team and replace him with George and we are a 43-win team, first round exit, nothing more.


That's not evidence - that's just claims. If you read my earlier posts, you see my comments have nothing to do with the post-season. I've been posting the regular season #s for both Melo and George.
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5/27/2013  11:25 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
tkf wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
tkf wrote:I like shumpert a lot.. but he is nothing like paul george...or in that class.. may never be...

Paul George is stinking it up this game. And is not coming off an ACL injury. Shumpert we TRUST


do you realize how ridiculous it is to point to one game to try to prove your point.. Ok, so what about games one and two? should we say shumpert will be the next paul george every time he has a bad game? come on man.. HE is nothing like paul george, doesn't have the game, height or length.. and shumpert can't help this... and coming off an ACL injury is irrelevant...

really why must knick fans grab hold to something, blow it through the roof and try to justify it at all cost? It is ok if shumpert won't be as good as paul George, not many players in the league will be very soon...

Do you know how ridiculous it is to point to a playoff series to anoint a player as being better than a 9 year vet who eclipsed him in nearly every relevant metric?


Actually, George eclipsed Melo in every metric other than total points.

Hard to believe that's what u see as much as you want to believe it.

You're resorting to hyperbole. Post some evidence.

It's simple. Every year there are players who get more attention as a result of making it deep into the playoffs. He's on a great team that are strong at every position. If they got knocked out first round no one would think much of him. He's a good player don't get me wrong, an up and coming player. As much as you want to believe he's better than Melo he has a long ways to go. Take Melo off this team and replace him with George and we are a 43-win team, first round exit, nothing more.


That's not evidence - that's just claims. If you read my earlier posts, you see my comments have nothing to do with the post-season. I've been posting the regular season #s for both Melo and George.

I'm not taking time to find some stats or advanced metrics to support a common sense topic. Had he not been on a stacked team, he wouldn't have been an allstar this season. He's a very good player, possible upcoming star, but every year there is a player like him to fall for. This year is his year.
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5/27/2013  11:56 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
tkf wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
tkf wrote:I like shumpert a lot.. but he is nothing like paul george...or in that class.. may never be...

Paul George is stinking it up this game. And is not coming off an ACL injury. Shumpert we TRUST


do you realize how ridiculous it is to point to one game to try to prove your point.. Ok, so what about games one and two? should we say shumpert will be the next paul george every time he has a bad game? come on man.. HE is nothing like paul george, doesn't have the game, height or length.. and shumpert can't help this... and coming off an ACL injury is irrelevant...

really why must knick fans grab hold to something, blow it through the roof and try to justify it at all cost? It is ok if shumpert won't be as good as paul George, not many players in the league will be very soon...

Do you know how ridiculous it is to point to a playoff series to anoint a player as being better than a 9 year vet who eclipsed him in nearly every relevant metric?

if you were ever around and paid attention instead of these silly drive by post you would realize that I said this well before the series started, at the beginning of the season.... Time in the league has nothing to do with who is better now.... Paul George is a better player right NOW!!

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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5/28/2013  12:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/28/2013  12:43 AM
3G4G wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Every one of our kid's is the next big thing
Sweetney -- Elton Brand in his prime
Lampe -- Dirk Nowitzki
Vujacic -- Nash
Fields -- Prince
Gallinari -- Dirk (We've had a lot of Dirks)

That was a doosy don't forget Bird as Walsh gave him videos of him to study remember...


Lest we forget Toney Douglas was Chauncey Billups for a blip

Lest we forget Jordan Hill was a Young Amar'e Stoudemire

Lest we forget Channing Frye was Rasheed Wallace

Lest we forget Andy Rottens was J.J. Redick

JJ Redick is nothing though. He went from top of the food chain in college to a below average and currently mediocre nba player. Comparing Andy Rautins to him isn't as far-fetched as the others.
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5/28/2013  2:47 AM
Silly. Left this place alone awhile because of ridiculously futile arguments and I come back and this is the first thing I see. Based on how things have been this season her, I must say I don't miss it. Be back in another couple weeks when Briggs starts putting up substancial stuff regarding the drafts. Btw, this argument about George being a better player than Carmelo Anthony is just silly.
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5/28/2013  7:37 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
tkf wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
tkf wrote:I like shumpert a lot.. but he is nothing like paul george...or in that class.. may never be...

Paul George is stinking it up this game. And is not coming off an ACL injury. Shumpert we TRUST


do you realize how ridiculous it is to point to one game to try to prove your point.. Ok, so what about games one and two? should we say shumpert will be the next paul george every time he has a bad game? come on man.. HE is nothing like paul george, doesn't have the game, height or length.. and shumpert can't help this... and coming off an ACL injury is irrelevant...

really why must knick fans grab hold to something, blow it through the roof and try to justify it at all cost? It is ok if shumpert won't be as good as paul George, not many players in the league will be very soon...

Do you know how ridiculous it is to point to a playoff series to anoint a player as being better than a 9 year vet who eclipsed him in nearly every relevant metric?


Actually, George eclipsed Melo in every metric other than total points.

Got to agree with TK here. Its why so many people think New York fans are delusional. I love Shumps tenacity and can see he has truly worked on his jumper. Dude need to work on finishing at the rim.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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5/28/2013  7:39 AM
NUPE wrote:I really like Iman. No need to rain praise on him now though. He still has a lot of room for improvement.

exactly. Let him grow and mature into the next Imam instead of anointing him as the next someone else. His ceiling looks high but, so have many others who have flamed out. Lets take a wait and see attitude and hopefully he can take a next step, as opposed to "the" next step.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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5/28/2013  7:55 AM
tkf wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
tkf wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
tkf wrote:I like shumpert a lot.. but he is nothing like paul george...or in that class.. may never be...

Paul George is stinking it up this game. And is not coming off an ACL injury. Shumpert we TRUST


do you realize how ridiculous it is to point to one game to try to prove your point.. Ok, so what about games one and two? should we say shumpert will be the next paul george every time he has a bad game? come on man.. HE is nothing like paul george, doesn't have the game, height or length.. and shumpert can't help this... and coming off an ACL injury is irrelevant...

really why must knick fans grab hold to something, blow it through the roof and try to justify it at all cost? It is ok if shumpert won't be as good as paul George, not many players in the league will be very soon...

Do you know how ridiculous it is to point to a playoff series to anoint a player as being better than a 9 year vet who eclipsed him in nearly every relevant metric?

if you were ever around and paid attention instead of these silly drive by post you would realize that I said this well before the series started, at the beginning of the season.... Time in the league has nothing to do with who is better now.... Paul George is a better player right NOW!!

Only anti Melo fans will believe that. Like I said, take Melo off our team and replace him with George and we don't win 54 games and get to the 2nd round, simple as that. We would be a 43-45- win team. George is a great up and coming player but stop overrating him.
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5/28/2013  8:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/28/2013  8:03 AM
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
tkf wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
tkf wrote:I like shumpert a lot.. but he is nothing like paul george...or in that class.. may never be...

Paul George is stinking it up this game. And is not coming off an ACL injury. Shumpert we TRUST


do you realize how ridiculous it is to point to one game to try to prove your point.. Ok, so what about games one and two? should we say shumpert will be the next paul george every time he has a bad game? come on man.. HE is nothing like paul george, doesn't have the game, height or length.. and shumpert can't help this... and coming off an ACL injury is irrelevant...

really why must knick fans grab hold to something, blow it through the roof and try to justify it at all cost? It is ok if shumpert won't be as good as paul George, not many players in the league will be very soon...

Do you know how ridiculous it is to point to a playoff series to anoint a player as being better than a 9 year vet who eclipsed him in nearly every relevant metric?

if you were ever around and paid attention instead of these silly drive by post you would realize that I said this well before the series started, at the beginning of the season.... Time in the league has nothing to do with who is better now.... Paul George is a better player right NOW!!

Only anti Melo fans will believe that. Like I said, take Melo off our team and replace him with George and we don't win 54 games and get to the 2nd round, simple as that. We would be a 43-45- win team. George is a great up and coming player but stop overrating him.


We could speculate endlessly on what would happen in different fictional scenarios. It looks to me though like you're paying attention only to the PPG difference between Melo and George. You're not factoring in that our defense would be better, our rebounding would be better, and our teammates performance would be better since George gets more assists and fewer turnovers.
George shuts down his opponent (well maybe not when it's Lebron). Per 100 possessions, his opponent scores almost ten less points than Melo's does.
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5/28/2013  8:24 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
tkf wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
tkf wrote:I like shumpert a lot.. but he is nothing like paul george...or in that class.. may never be...

Paul George is stinking it up this game. And is not coming off an ACL injury. Shumpert we TRUST


do you realize how ridiculous it is to point to one game to try to prove your point.. Ok, so what about games one and two? should we say shumpert will be the next paul george every time he has a bad game? come on man.. HE is nothing like paul george, doesn't have the game, height or length.. and shumpert can't help this... and coming off an ACL injury is irrelevant...

really why must knick fans grab hold to something, blow it through the roof and try to justify it at all cost? It is ok if shumpert won't be as good as paul George, not many players in the league will be very soon...

Do you know how ridiculous it is to point to a playoff series to anoint a player as being better than a 9 year vet who eclipsed him in nearly every relevant metric?

if you were ever around and paid attention instead of these silly drive by post you would realize that I said this well before the series started, at the beginning of the season.... Time in the league has nothing to do with who is better now.... Paul George is a better player right NOW!!

Only anti Melo fans will believe that. Like I said, take Melo off our team and replace him with George and we don't win 54 games and get to the 2nd round, simple as that. We would be a 43-45- win team. George is a great up and coming player but stop overrating him.


We could speculate endlessly on what would happen in different fictional scenarios. It looks to me though like you're paying attention only to the PPG difference between Melo and George. You're not factoring in that our defense would be better, our rebounding would be better, and our teammates performance would be better since George gets more assists and fewer turnovers.
George shuts down his opponent (well maybe not when it's Lebron). Per 100 possessions, his opponent scores almost ten less points than Melo's does.

Actually teammates performance would be much better with Melo because teams actually double him and design a defense to stop him. Melo is a main reason we were such a good 3-point shooting team this season. Stop looking at Melo's scoring alone and consider how he impacts the game by how opponents defend him.
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