CrushAlot wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

Cingratulations this idiotic response has earned you a permanent ignore. In my over 10 years on this board I've used it once. Orange Blobman. you now make twice. Ur ****ing moron.

The only problem with ignoring him is he needs to be called out for the junk he posts.

how is his response idiotic..I'll ask again, if my shoulder is a problem, why not pass the ball, im shooting worst then any player in the playoffs taking that amount of shots..

He should be saying, let me try and make my teammates better, get them some easy buckets, these tough shots that im taking are not falling, let tell felton to slash the minute you see the double coming..

The guy is a great scorer, but a foolish player

ChuckBuck wrote:Not surprised, he's been favoring it since David West pulled it out in the regular season.

no since he got hammered after jr got ejected...that's when it was re-aggravated it seems to me...

the indiana series only magnified it...

and again, why to me it is not worthwhile going o.d. on destroy the team just yet...well especially melo...because it was more than clear he was playing through a lot of pain, which was affecting his jump shot at least, and then how that had a huge effect on the rest of the team...since...

surprise...we ain't goin nowhere without he at his top game...which isn't gonna happen if he's hurt to the point where his game is severely altered as it was...despite some drugs/cortisone shots here and there...

Killa4luv wrote:

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

Cingratulations this idiotic response has earned you a permanent ignore. In my over 10 years on this board I've used it once. Orange Blobman. you now make twice. Ur ****ing moron.

LOL I already have him on ignore. I gives me peace

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I hope this makes anti-Melo people appreciate him more. He did everything he could and was injured in a way most wouldn't play thru. Huge respect for him with a warrior effort in the playoffs.

The guy has a history of shooting poorly in the playoffs, career 40%..

Great for playing through pain, but now I really question why he avg 1 ast with a bum shoulder ..smh

Are you kidding? He was shooting at almost 60 % from the field in April prior to David West hurting his shoulder in the third to last game of the season. Guy plays through that and you question him.

thank you, crush.

PresIke wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I hope this makes anti-Melo people appreciate him more. He did everything he could and was injured in a way most wouldn't play thru. Huge respect for him with a warrior effort in the playoffs.

The guy has a history of shooting poorly in the playoffs, career 40%..

Great for playing through pain, but now I really question why he avg 1 ast with a bum shoulder ..smh

sports fans and 'history' always an interesting dichotomy...

so, is it not possible that one can overcome so-called 'history?'

and when one or a team does...what is it that impacts such a change?

can we be wrong in assessing what is behind one's poor play and more readily go to our bread basket of arguments that already support the point we want to believe in?

what gives one the indication that it was 'the playoffs' that caused his ability as a shooter, and overall player to drop as it did?

it was 'the playoffs?'

you sure about that? if so, how do you know?

other than the idea that 'in the playoffs he has shot poorly' argument...based on his performance this year...which was better than years before...it's interesting that the strongest melo critics use his past against him now...

that's fine...but this injury is real...

as for assists...funny because i have read more sophisticated arguments this year about melo vs. assists as a fairly weak argument, because a lot of the knicks game this year has been melo doing well with the pass out of the double team (and point of reference...it is fairly widely accepted he is a good passer of the ball) that has LED to a score. I believe alan hahn has used the term 'hockey assist' more than a few times to reference how melo's good work this season of passing out of double teams has led to open looks that have...surprise...contributed to led the team to lead the league in 3 point shooting.

how to lie with statistics...a great book...and lesson...read it and weep ;)

During the regular season he was pretty darn good for us, but lets keep it real with the facts, THE PLAYOFFS IS WHERE YOU EARN IT, The money, the fame, the respect, the hardware..I'm not hating on melo, he's just a suspect player. when you start making excuses, and sugar coating his negatives and calling everybody who critics him a hater you start sounding like a fanatic.

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

Cingratulations this idiotic response has earned you a permanent ignore. In my over 10 years on this board I've used it once. Orange Blobman. you now make twice. Ur ****ing moron.

The only problem with ignoring him is he needs to be called out for the junk he posts.

how is his response idiotic..I'll ask again, if my shoulder is a problem, why not pass the ball, im shooting worst then any player in the playoffs taking that amount of shots..

He should be saying, let me try and make my teammates better, get them some easy buckets, these tough shots that im taking are not falling, let tell felton to slash the minute you see the double coming..

The guy is a great scorer, but a foolish player

There's nothing wrong with the post.

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I hope this makes anti-Melo people appreciate him more. He did everything he could and was injured in a way most wouldn't play thru. Huge respect for him with a warrior effort in the playoffs.

The guy has a history of shooting poorly in the playoffs, career 40%..

Great for playing through pain, but now I really question why he avg 1 ast with a bum shoulder ..smh

Exactly. It was obvious he was hurt and playing his heart out. The issue is that he's the only player in the game who would take 25 shots a game with a torn shoulder when he had teammates hitting at a higher percentage than he was. And it's disappointing that he can't have a consistent impact in any non-scoring area of the game.

And which player might that be, hitting a higher percentage ??

Exactly ...who else showed up??
Tyson? Highest % scorer on the team right? Where was he all playoffs?
Kidd?
JR?
KMart?
Amar'e?
Felton and Iman were the only one's who were remotely reliable.
Priggs?
Cope?

I agree with you that he can't win it alone and like you said the team will only improve when he can get his teammates involved. But his teammates need to put up or shut up especially Tyson, Kidd. What's obvious is that his team disappeared on him and he did everything he could to keep us in it and never complained through his injuries or made any excuses. I respect him more for it.

earthmansurfer wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I hope this makes anti-Melo people appreciate him more. He did everything he could and was injured in a way most wouldn't play thru. Huge respect for him with a warrior effort in the playoffs.

If his shot wasn't falling he should have tried to create more for others. That is intelligent play, we could have won our last game had he adjusted. Basketball is not boxing, it is physical of course but also in large part mental. We were missing that.

Great that he played through the pain, most players do when they can (and it isn't diagnosed).

Melo shot 45% for the series..Felton 35%, Shump 38%, JR 29%, ..Who was these phantom players he should be creating for??