holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo performed just as poorly as the rest of his supporting cast. Paul George locked him down and had him taking exactly the kind of shots Indy wanted Melo taking. Forced midrange jumpers and contested drives where he gets pushed right into Indy's shot blockers.
Melo shoots 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 all losses vs. Pacers.
Melo shoots 8-24 and 10-35 in losses to Boston.

Knicks lost 6 playoff games. 5 of them its 10000% justifiable to dump them right on Melo' shoulders. If your built around a "great MVP caliber scorer" and this is what he gives you come playoff time your gonna fail, as his team do time and time and time and time again in the playoffs.

When we get a REAL scorer. Like a guy who gives you 50% or more in the post and Melo is the #2 guy we can compete for a title. But this has been the same for the 10 years he's been in the league.

Folks can pretend this isnt a problem all they want. The reall killer is the #2 guy in this offense JR is even worse.

I can agree with the fact that Melo needs a post player to work off of. We need an inside presence that can balance out the offense. Too much perimeter play, too much reliance on the 3 ball.

We need an inside out game, and unfortunately that inside was supposed to be Amare.

If we had a 27 year old Amare that was putting up 25ppg on 52% shooting as our #1 option it would be different. Regular season does not = playoffs. Our team reminds me of the Hawks of the 90s. Good players.. Steve Smith, Mookie Blaylock, Kevin Willis... good enough to win 50ish games a year and good enough to get bounced in round 1 or 2 every year. You can see the Knicks building this kind of team

Yeah...We would be two games over .500...

No melo trade that team is cryogenetically frozen for all enternity?

No draft picks, no cap space, no trades?

yellowboy90 wrote:A healthy amar'e solves most of the knicks problem. Not Phx or early NY Amar'e but this past year back to the basket Amar'e. Can you trust him to stay healthy no but it is what it is. He needs to learn to pass out of the post and keep getting better but he was a dominant force score and getting players in foul trouble.

+1

SupremeCommander wrote:

Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim went on a verbal tirade against Carmelo Anthony’s Knicks teammates, shocked his former player is receiving blame for the team’s second-round flameout to Indiana.

In the Syracuse Post-Standard, Boeheim ripped Tyson Chandler, whom he coached on the U.S. Olympic Team, point guards Raymond Felton and Pablo Prigioni and even coach Mike Woodson in trying to defend Anthony’s honor.

When asked if Anthony can lead the Knicks as constructed to an NBA title, Boeheim told the paper: “Not on that team. He did what he can do. He played very well the final game. Everybody’s killing him but Tyson Chandler just didn’t try to catch the ball. He threw him the ball and Tyson Chandler went like this” and the paper said Boeheim dodged in his chair.

“[Tyson] was wide open,’’ Boeheim added. “He should have been looking for the ball right here. Kenyon Martin should have been looking for the ball. They both went like this [Boeheim dodged again]. Carmelo gets turnovers and the announcers aren’t smart enough to even think, ‘Well, the guy should try to catch the ball.’

“Tyson Chandler claims he never gets the ball,’’ Boeheim continued.” He doesn’t try to get the ball. He had two points and Hibbert had [21].’’

Boeheim went on his diatribe at the Carmelo K. Anthony Center in Syracuse, which Anthony helped pay for. The Syracuse coach catches most of the Knicks’ games on television to watch his former player.

“What was the difference in the series?,’’ Boeheim said. “Raymond Felton was 0-for-7. Lance Stephenson had [25] points. They’re going to blame it on Carmelo? I told him when he went to New York, ‘They’re going to blame it on you.’

“They have no chance to win,’’ Boeheim continued, according to the Syracuse daily. “Pablo Prigioni has never scored against [Team USA]. We played Argentina six or seven times in different events. He hasn’t scored against us. You have to have players to win in the NBA.”

Boeheim said J.R. Smith and Felton “weren’t great players where they were and now they’re asking them to be second and third options.”

Boeheim said the Heat have second, third and fourth options of Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and Ray Allen and have Shane Battier, too.

“The New York Knicks have who?” Boeheim asked.

Anthony, for his part, scored four points in three fourth quarters during the three losses to the Pacers at Bankers Life Field House. When asked about Woodson’s offensive scheme, Boeheim said: “I said to my son, ‘[Carmelo’s] going to have to get 50 for them to win.’ That’s what he needed. Fifty. You’re not going to get that against Indiana.’’

Poor Jimmy Boeheim!

Giving half truths doesn't make your comments right sir.

"The lack of ball movement" "The blocked dunk attempt" "Two turnovers in close game in the 4th qtr"

All of the above were momentum changers with the star player who's the one common denominator !

Watch the clip and learn what this bias coach hasn't taken into consideration.

You didn't see mind control ISO ball, even JR moved the ball like he should.

It's so much harder to defend a team with a star like Melo when he plays this way.

This is why what Chandler and Shumpert said about ball movement is the truth.
Replace K.Thomas with Kmart, Replace Rasheed with Copeland and put Novak in the Rotation and sit Amare.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:it seems everyone is bad without Olympic teammates. so that really not that big of a point.

Their teams may be bad but that doesn't mean they are bad.

oh okay that's like Tyson maybe an Olympian but that doesn't mean he's an Olympian.

huh?
I meant their teams may be bad bad but the superstar players still played like superstars

does that give them comfort when their team miss the playoffs or exit the playoffs. I agree Melo needs to play a lot better but I also believe others need to play better.

fishmike wrote:Melo performed just as poorly as the rest of his supporting cast. Paul George locked him down and had him taking exactly the kind of shots Indy wanted Melo taking. Forced midrange jumpers and contested drives where he gets pushed right into Indy's shot blockers.
Melo shoots 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 all losses vs. Pacers.
Melo shoots 8-24 and 10-35 in losses to Boston.

Knicks lost 6 playoff games. 5 of them its 10000% justifiable to dump them right on Melo' shoulders. If your built around a "great MVP caliber scorer" and this is what he gives you come playoff time your gonna fail, as his team do time and time and time and time again in the playoffs.

When we get a REAL scorer. Like a guy who gives you 50% or more in the post and Melo is the #2 guy we can compete for a title. But this has been the same for the 10 years he's been in the league.

Folks can pretend this isnt a problem all they want. The reall killer is the #2 guy in this offense JR is even worse.

this is the same kind of crap we hear from everyone and Boeheim should be ashamed of himself..

as you pointed out, so I won't bother posting the stats again, carmelo didn't play well in most of the games in both series, so to continue to point out the other guys on the team is ridiculous... to say chandler didn't try to catch the ball is hilarious.. not sure what play he is even talking about... this sounds like a father trying to defend his son's bad play in a rec league game... really shameful..

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I used to dog Melo but how anyone could of watched this Pacers series and blame Melo is getting drunk in the club with JR SMith

Jim is absolutely right Melo had basically no help when your 3rd best player in the series is Copeland you have serious problems .I thought Prigs actually played well though

so old man. He never has help. 10 years and no help in the playoffs. This why he shoots 40% right? Because nobody helps him? He doesnt know how to play. The harder he "tries" the more his teammates stand and watch him pound the ball while he has 10-34 shooting performances.

The guy is good player, he's our best player and he's not good enough to build a team around. He's a #2 scorer. Knicks have big problems.

U think Melo might shoot slightly better if he had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh next to him? Do u think Melo would Shoot better if Shaq in his prime was on the team. What about if he played with Russel Westbrook? U guys see Durant those last 2 games without any help thats what Melo deals with on a nightly basis

you nailed. Melo is garbage without his Olympic teammates. Thanks. After ten year of getting used in the playoffs and shooting like Jamal Crawford I think we can all see your truth. Melo's teams need stars on them, because if he doesnt have star PG to get him the ball, a star SG to pass too and a start post player to create space we can pretty much count on Melo shooting 40% in the playoffs while we lose game after game he puts up 10-34.

Yes... Melo had no help in game six and he played well. His shooting in the other 3 losses: 6-16, 9-24 and 10-28 had NOTHING to do with why game 6 was an elimination game right?

I get the pattern now:

Melo blows in the playoffs and shoots a % in the 30s. Melo has a solid elimination game. Everyone says "see???? Melo has no help."

Got it.

So Melo is expected to win as the only star on a team but Lebron can play with Wade and Bosh and thats acceptable

No MElo is expected to PLAY LIKE A STAR. Thats where your arguement falls short dude.

Did Durant SUCK in the playoffs? No. Did Lebron shoot 37% when he lost? No.

When Melo PERFORMS like a STAR and the Knicks lose I wont lump blame.

But when your STAR shoots a combined 58-155 in 6 playoff losses (thats 37% FGs for those at home) you LOST BECAUSE OF HIM, not be confused with losing IN SPITE OF HIM.

So pretty please, with sugar on top, what up and spare us your donkee logic. Melo played like crap and the Knicks lost. When the guy you lean on the most stinks your not going to win. End of story.

So the other 2 Stars that were brought in hold none of the blame, its all melo even though Amare and Chandler make 35 million combined. You cut those 2 losers off this team and replace them with 2 players that deserve that money my guess is Melos shooting % gets better.

LMAO you just can't make this sh!t up. he still is gargling melo's balls. dude is depraved.

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I used to dog Melo but how anyone could of watched this Pacers series and blame Melo is getting drunk in the club with JR SMith

Jim is absolutely right Melo had basically no help when your 3rd best player in the series is Copeland you have serious problems .I thought Prigs actually played well though

so old man. He never has help. 10 years and no help in the playoffs. This why he shoots 40% right? Because nobody helps him? He doesnt know how to play. The harder he "tries" the more his teammates stand and watch him pound the ball while he has 10-34 shooting performances.

The guy is good player, he's our best player and he's not good enough to build a team around. He's a #2 scorer. Knicks have big problems.

U think Melo might shoot slightly better if he had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh next to him? Do u think Melo would Shoot better if Shaq in his prime was on the team. What about if he played with Russel Westbrook? U guys see Durant those last 2 games without any help thats what Melo deals with on a nightly basis

you nailed. Melo is garbage without his Olympic teammates. Thanks. After ten year of getting used in the playoffs and shooting like Jamal Crawford I think we can all see your truth. Melo's teams need stars on them, because if he doesnt have star PG to get him the ball, a star SG to pass too and a start post player to create space we can pretty much count on Melo shooting 40% in the playoffs while we lose game after game he puts up 10-34.

Yes... Melo had no help in game six and he played well. His shooting in the other 3 losses: 6-16, 9-24 and 10-28 had NOTHING to do with why game 6 was an elimination game right?

I get the pattern now:

Melo blows in the playoffs and shoots a % in the 30s. Melo has a solid elimination game. Everyone says "see???? Melo has no help."

Got it.

same thing happened the year before last.. the elimination game vs the celtics will go down in history as the greatest performance ever with most knick fans, lol.... but looking back at the other games... yikes and oh, I think he had a healthy amare, but the excuse de jour was chauncey billups getting hurt... again, it is always something..

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I used to dog Melo but how anyone could of watched this Pacers series and blame Melo is getting drunk in the club with JR SMith

Jim is absolutely right Melo had basically no help when your 3rd best player in the series is Copeland you have serious problems .I thought Prigs actually played well though

so old man. He never has help. 10 years and no help in the playoffs. This why he shoots 40% right? Because nobody helps him? He doesnt know how to play. The harder he "tries" the more his teammates stand and watch him pound the ball while he has 10-34 shooting performances.

The guy is good player, he's our best player and he's not good enough to build a team around. He's a #2 scorer. Knicks have big problems.

U think Melo might shoot slightly better if he had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh next to him? Do u think Melo would Shoot better if Shaq in his prime was on the team. What about if he played with Russel Westbrook? U guys see Durant those last 2 games without any help thats what Melo deals with on a nightly basis

you nailed. Melo is garbage without his Olympic teammates. Thanks. After ten year of getting used in the playoffs and shooting like Jamal Crawford I think we can all see your truth. Melo's teams need stars on them, because if he doesnt have star PG to get him the ball, a star SG to pass too and a start post player to create space we can pretty much count on Melo shooting 40% in the playoffs while we lose game after game he puts up 10-34.

Yes... Melo had no help in game six and he played well. His shooting in the other 3 losses: 6-16, 9-24 and 10-28 had NOTHING to do with why game 6 was an elimination game right?

I get the pattern now:

Melo blows in the playoffs and shoots a % in the 30s. Melo has a solid elimination game. Everyone says "see???? Melo has no help."

Got it.

So Melo is expected to win as the only star on a team but Lebron can play with Wade and Bosh and thats acceptable

No MElo is expected to PLAY LIKE A STAR. Thats where your arguement falls short dude.

Did Durant SUCK in the playoffs? No. Did Lebron shoot 37% when he lost? No.

When Melo PERFORMS like a STAR and the Knicks lose I wont lump blame.

But when your STAR shoots a combined 58-155 in 6 playoff losses (thats 37% FGs for those at home) you LOST BECAUSE OF HIM, not be confused with losing IN SPITE OF HIM.

So pretty please, with sugar on top, what up and spare us your donkee logic. Melo played like crap and the Knicks lost. When the guy you lean on the most stinks your not going to win. End of story.

So the other 2 Stars that were brought in hold none of the blame, its all melo even though Amare and Chandler make 35 million combined. You cut those 2 losers off this team and replace them with 2 players that deserve that money my guess is Melos shooting % gets better.

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I used to dog Melo but how anyone could of watched this Pacers series and blame Melo is getting drunk in the club with JR SMith

Jim is absolutely right Melo had basically no help when your 3rd best player in the series is Copeland you have serious problems .I thought Prigs actually played well though

so old man. He never has help. 10 years and no help in the playoffs. This why he shoots 40% right? Because nobody helps him? He doesnt know how to play. The harder he "tries" the more his teammates stand and watch him pound the ball while he has 10-34 shooting performances.

The guy is good player, he's our best player and he's not good enough to build a team around. He's a #2 scorer. Knicks have big problems.

U think Melo might shoot slightly better if he had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh next to him? Do u think Melo would Shoot better if Shaq in his prime was on the team. What about if he played with Russel Westbrook? U guys see Durant those last 2 games without any help thats what Melo deals with on a nightly basis

you nailed. Melo is garbage without his Olympic teammates. Thanks. After ten year of getting used in the playoffs and shooting like Jamal Crawford I think we can all see your truth. Melo's teams need stars on them, because if he doesnt have star PG to get him the ball, a star SG to pass too and a start post player to create space we can pretty much count on Melo shooting 40% in the playoffs while we lose game after game he puts up 10-34.

Yes... Melo had no help in game six and he played well. His shooting in the other 3 losses: 6-16, 9-24 and 10-28 had NOTHING to do with why game 6 was an elimination game right?

I get the pattern now:

Melo blows in the playoffs and shoots a % in the 30s. Melo has a solid elimination game. Everyone says "see???? Melo has no help."

Got it.

So Melo is expected to win as the only star on a team but Lebron can play with Wade and Bosh and thats acceptable

No MElo is expected to PLAY LIKE A STAR. Thats where your arguement falls short dude.

Did Durant SUCK in the playoffs? No. Did Lebron shoot 37% when he lost? No.

When Melo PERFORMS like a STAR and the Knicks lose I wont lump blame.

But when your STAR shoots a combined 58-155 in 6 playoff losses (thats 37% FGs for those at home) you LOST BECAUSE OF HIM, not be confused with losing IN SPITE OF HIM.

So pretty please, with sugar on top, what up and spare us your donkee logic. Melo played like crap and the Knicks lost. When the guy you lean on the most stinks your not going to win. End of story.

So the other 2 Stars that were brought in hold none of the blame, its all melo even though Amare and Chandler make 35 million combined. You cut those 2 losers off this team and replace them with 2 players that deserve that money my guess is Melos shooting % gets better.

Blame is a funny thing.

Blame the organization is too hard, blame Woodson, Melo, Chandler and The last 3 GMs' all makes it easier?

Wait, I thought Grunwald was the Homer choice for Exec of the year?

Melo sucked because:

Melo is not Kobe. Melo with in prime Shaq is not Kobe's equal.

Melo dones not have a healthy Amare. A well rounded Center. Youthier players (oldest team in history).

Melo has a coach that tried to adapt to a roster that lost its momentum when JR got his award and lost his mind.

Knicks are an idiotic organization.