knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

playa2 wrote:We had the better players and more experienced players , they weren't inserted into the game when we needed them the most.

Then on the other hand he played guys who gave us nothing more minutes than they deserved.

Who are these players?

felton is better then hill

melo is better then paul G

shump is better then lance

amare when healthy IS BETTER THEN west

prigs is better then DJ

cope is better then mihimini (what ever his name is)

Vogel is better then woodson, and he prepared his team more, and got them to play smarter through preparation..

OUR biggest advantage was our bench, and we failed to use it

Felton is not better than Hill..
Prigs is not better than DJ
Amare is hurt
Cope didn't get major time in the season and was missing lots of assignments in defense..Did you notice that every Knick player was yelling at him at one point or another in the series..Did you see Amare screaming at Copland and he just got int the game...Amare the defensive stall worth...There is a lot more to playing n an NBA game than hitting a three...

U familiar with the term spin...

If you think DJ is better then prigs your absolutely drunk, hill and felton at the very least even.

copeland is on the floor for one thing, spacing and scoring, but when you have 2 ball hogs, you start thinking, man cope is lousy on defense..smh

knicks1248 wrote:Melo avg 1 ast in this yrs playoffs, this comes at a point in his career when he said.."I'M DONE SCORING A BUNCH OF POINTS"

And "THIS THE BEST TALENT I EVER HAD AROUND ME"

Then he goes out wins a scoring title, and avg a career low in assist.

While he claims to have very good talent, we have posters saying, melo has no one to pass the ball to..

he's suppose to be our closer, yet he dissapperd in every forth qtr...got his shot blocked, coughed up 3 turnovers all resulting in pacer pts when the game was on the line..

is this our franchise player ?

That's what I am talking about, this is the team MElo wanted. It had the types of players that would let him dominate the offense along with his buddy JR.
NOW he needs help when he comes up short with a coach who has simply coddled him all season long?

loweyecue wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Melo avg 1 ast in this yrs playoffs, this comes at a point in his career when he said.."I'M DONE SCORING A BUNCH OF POINTS"

And "THIS THE BEST TALENT I EVER HAD AROUND ME"

Then he goes out wins a scoring title, and avg a career low in assist.

While he claims to have very good talent, we have posters saying, melo has no one to pass the ball to..

he's suppose to be our closer, yet he dissapperd in every forth qtr...got his shot blocked, coughed up 3 turnovers all resulting in pacer pts when the game was on the line..

is this our franchise player ?

That's what I am talking about, this is the team MElo wanted. It had the types of players that would let him dominate the offense along with his buddy JR.
NOW he needs help when he comes up short with a coach who has simply coddled him all season long?

you don't trade for players like melo; if you must acquire them it should be only through free agency.

you don't hire coaches like woodson with the playoff record he brought to the table. cronyism in pro sports is not a good idea.

we are going to be circling the drain for a while with this player and this coach.

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Indy was the better team because the score says so...They had 5 guys that could drop 25 pts on any given night...They played better defense and they were hungrier...They embarrassed us on the boards...Thats hustle...Melo and Shump were the only Hungry Knicks...Maybe Cope..We lost and we have to live with that..Lets get players in here who are hungry and want to win...

It seems like you turn a complete blind eye on woodsons moves, and shifted to we need better players

then you shift complete blame on MDA saying he couldn't get max effort from his sub par players..

Dantoni lost a ton in NY. He created a ton of drama and would not adapt to his players. 18-24 with a roster that Woodson went 18-6 with. D'Antoni had this team headed for the lottery last year which would have given the Rockets another gift from the McGRady trade.

Yeah, I miss D'Antoni too.

BasketballJones wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Indy was the better team because the score says so...They had 5 guys that could drop 25 pts on any given night...They played better defense and they were hungrier...They embarrassed us on the boards...Thats hustle...Melo and Shump were the only Hungry Knicks...Maybe Cope..We lost and we have to live with that..Lets get players in here who are hungry and want to win...

It seems like you turn a complete blind eye on woodsons moves, and shifted to we need better players

then you shift complete blame on MDA saying he couldn't get max effort from his sub par players..

Dantoni lost a ton in NY. He created a ton of drama and would not adapt to his players. 18-24 with a roster that Woodson went 18-6 with. D'Antoni had this team headed for the lottery last year which would have given the Rockets another gift from the McGRady trade.

Yeah, I miss D'Antoni too.

I miss Johnathon Bender...

CrushAlot wrote:

playa2 wrote:If you don't believe me then read what ESPN HAD TO SAY:

Sunday, May 19, 2013
Five reasons why Knicks lost to Pacers
By Ian Begley

Mike Woodson thought his New York Knicks had the pieces in place to contend for a championship this year.

Turns out they couldn't get out of the second round.

So what went wrong in the Eastern Conference semifinals against the Indiana Pacers? Plenty.

WOODSON'S LINEUP LETDOWN: Woodson deserves kudos for getting the Knicks to 54 regular-season wins, an Atlantic Division crown and a first-round playoff series win.

Kenyon Martin and Mike Woodson
Kenyon Martin wasn't the answer for Mike Woodson in Game 4.
But he made some head-scratching moves in the Pacers series. His biggest misstep came on the eve of Game 4, after watching the Pacers crush the Knicks on the boards in two of the first three games.

Instead of sticking with the small-ball lineup that worked for most of the season, Woodson went big for Game 4. He removed Pablo Prigioni from the starting five and inserted Kenyon Martin, hoping Martin would help neutralize Indiana's rebounding edge.

It didn't work out that way.

Indiana outrebounded the Knicks by 18 and pulled down 16 offensive boards to take a 3-1 series lead.

Martin had five rebounds in 29 minutes. Prigioni played just 3:26. Starting swingman Iman Shumpert was on the floor for a mere 16 minutes.

Woodson essentially changed the Knicks' identity in the middle of a playoff series, and it backfired.

Jason Kidd, by the way, played most of the minutes that would've gone to Prigioni -- and went 0-for-2 in 18 minutes. It was Kidd's eighth straight scoreless game.

NOT ENOUGH COPE: Also in Game 4, Woodson chose to play Amar'e Stoudemire -- in his second game back from a two-month absence -- for 11 minutes. Those minutes could have gone to Chris Copeland, who has the potential to provide instant offense.

Woodson did turn to Copeland with the Knicks down by 15 in the third quarter of Game 4. The rookie hit a 3 to cut the lead to 10 early in the fourth -- and returned to the bench 32 seconds later. Strange.

Copeland helped the Knicks delay elimination by delivering 13 points in 19 minutes during a must-win Game 5. He scored nine more in 19 minutes in Game 6, leading Knicks fans from Alphabet City to Albany wondering: What took Woodson so long to play him?

TYSON'S KNICKS GET CRUSHED ON BOARDS: Indiana outrebounded New York by an average of 10.4 per game. That's 62 rebounds over the course of six games, significant because both teams shot at
similar clips (42.6 percent for the Pacers, 40.9 percent for the Knicks), making extra possessions crucial.

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Ya see this is what the rest of the world saw, you have to be ignorant not to see the points he made concerning why the Knicks lost to the Pacers. Woodson was the blame, he controlled who

played and who didn't. IT WAS LIKE THOSE MOVES (highlighted in black) WERE MADE TO KILL OUR CHANCE TO WIN

Lots of blame to go around but the guys on the floor weren't hitting their shots and a lot of the knicks were outhustled. Guys that brought it, Shump, Melo, Felton, Prigs, Cope and Martin. Not sure if I left anyone out. I thought Tyson and JR stunk the place up. I thought Kidd looked done and seemed to struggle to even make the smart plays he normally makes.

Woodson was in control of who played and who didn't. Just like Pat Riley allowed Starks to keep shooting when Rolando Blackmon was waiting in the wings to step into the game and knock down some shots.

If you don't use your personnel correctly when they aren't playing well, it's your fault as a coach.

Pretty simple, gee, we lost, coach could have done better. Brilliant assessment! Hindsight genius!

Gotta "Blame" someone?

Playa, you think the best team on paper DID NOT WIN?

Guess what, paper don't play. THis is not what Knicks did not do, this SHOULD be about what INdy DID!!!

They were bigger, stronger, and faster. Lance Stephenson grabed a rebound and ran thru us like school kids. Our guys just stood there and watched.

Chandler got out played by a better player. West is a true power forward we had no answer to.

We matched up poorly to them.

Cope as savior? What a joke. Thats how bad we looked, when copland is seen as one who could have saved the day. We struggled for offense so we bring him in in a desperate move and he throws in a few baskets.

Playa, you think we better on paper and should have won? OK. We didn't. Not the Refs, not the coach, it was a sound defeat.

Woodson essentially changed the Knicks' identity in the middle of a playoff series, and it backfired.

Jason Kidd, by the way, played most of the minutes that would've gone to Prigioni -- and went 0-for-2 in 18 minutes. It was Kidd's eighth straight scoreless game.

NOT ENOUGH COPE: Also in Game 4, Woodson chose to play Amar'e Stoudemire -- in his second game back from a two-month absence -- for 11 minutes. Those minutes could have gone to Chris Copeland, who has the potential to provide instant offense.

Woodson did turn to Copeland with the Knicks down by 15 in the third quarter of Game 4. The rookie hit a 3 to cut the lead to 10 early in the fourth -- and returned to the bench 32 seconds later. Strange.

Copeland helped the Knicks delay elimination by delivering 13 points in 19 minutes during a must-win Game 5. He scored nine more in 19 minutes in Game 6, leading Knicks fans from Alphabet City to Albany wondering: What took Woodson so long to play him?

playa2 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Pretty simple, gee, we lost, coach could have done better. Brilliant assessment! Hindsight genius!

Gotta "Blame" someone?

Playa, you think the best team on paper DID NOT WIN?

Guess what, paper don't play. THis is not what Knicks did not do, this SHOULD be about what INdy DID!!!

They were bigger, stronger, and faster. Lance Stephenson grabed a rebound and ran thru us like school kids. Our guys just stood there and watched.

Chandler got out played by a better player. West is a true power forward we had no answer to.

We matched up poorly to them.

Cope as savior? What a joke. Thats how bad we looked, when copland is seen as one who could have saved the day. We struggled for offense so we bring him in in a desperate move and he throws in a few baskets.

Playa, you think we better on paper and should have won? OK. We didn't. Not the Refs, not the coach, it was a sound defeat.

No need to put words in my mouth. You could care less if the knicks won, this wasn't the personnel you wanted on the team.

Being out coached has happen before it just so happen to destroy the knicks in this series. Indy was nervous and ready to pack it in (game 6)and Woodson failed to push the right buttons.

Nobody wanted to shoot for the Pacers when Copeland brought energy to the court for the knicks , even Shumpert caught fire and the Pacers were ready to be taken.

Indy had no answer for Copeland, but our coach didn't see that. Copeland wasn't nervous he came to play, his jumpshot was hitting the bottom of the net(the net almost didn't move and the Indiana crowd gasped). I'm sure they were wondering , why didn't the knicks play this guy early in the series?

He wasn't the savior , what he did was extend the pacers defense and free up other players , that was the knicks trade mark while they were winning. He filled the void of Novak but Woodson took wayyyyyy to long to figure it out.

What a great line........

No need to put words in my mouth. You could care less if the knicks won, this wasn't the personnel you wanted on the team.

Cuz you are exactly doing what you accuse me of!

BTW? I could care less? How you get to that? Cuz Im not whining and trying to lay blame?

Nobody can explain so in "conspiracy logic" you must be right?

Seems to me you just can't "COPE"!

Pun intended.