CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo can shoot much as he likes as long as he shoots 50%. But if his shot isn't there than other facets of his game needs to get better. His handle is very weak and passing skills are below average. Next year Melo needs to get better in this area. It's very simple.
1) 50% shooting for the entire season
2) be able to dribble the length of the court at full speed. A keen eye will see that he cannot do this.
3) get better with the passing, get teammates involved.

i put in my two cents last night in the game thread:

1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol
in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.

a lot of common ground in the wish list for this overrated cat.

I think if he has better teammates and gets some calls he has all of those things covered. He already worked with Hakeem and my guess is he revisits that.

Explain which Top 30-50 players in this league this wouldn't apply to?

The other two guys that are supposed to be the Knicks superstar trio scored a combined 4 points. The rest of the team shot just under 34% last night. If you take shump's shooting out the rest of the team shot 28%. He doesn't need world beaters. Even if JR or Tyson had a normal game the Knicks most likely force a game 7. Who are the heroes on the current team that Melo is neglecting?

It's interesting how you're trying to nail guys for 1 gm yesterday when Melo played subpar during the whole playoffs. Actually because of our role players Felton/Shumpert/Prigs is the reason why we went as far as we did. Melo doesn't make them better though. They are who they are in spite of Melo. I want a STAR who makes players better whether they are Max Cats or they are the 12th man on the team.

So stay on point. The sentence I bolded......which Top 30 to 50 players wouldn't that apply to?

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:There's really no need for any NBA player to take 20FGA/gm unless he's Lebron or Micheal Jordan.

Melo takes this many FGA/gm for 2 reasons...

1 - He Lust To Shoot The Rock

2 - The Players around him feel less significant or are stamped down while on the court with him ultimately coming to brainstorming conclusions..... it's near impossible to construct a team around him that compliments his skillets where it can win at the highest level.

The irony and Hypocrisy in all of this...the greater portion of the fan base is willing to give the organization as much time necessary to figure out what roster will work for Melo, while OTOH if the organization infuses youth on the team they want to see immediate star potential otherwise scrap the game plan and acquire the most talented, malcontent, underachiever.... as possible to make them feel at ease.

So why was Denver trying to keep and resign Melo??

Because they had Lawson/Afflalo/Cap Space-Expiring contracts/Future picks....to not only re-sign Melo but to get younger, add pieces, and to play a style of basketball more suited to today's game. Also they could sign Melo and then trade him...you know like they did Nene/Afflalo/Harrington.

Last I checked Denver is Denver and we're the Knicks

Next idiotic question?

So they wanted to resign Melo to trade him...Hahahahahahahahahh...They look like they could have used Melo in the playoffs...

Yep....

Denver looked like they could have used Paul George or Tony Allen or Marc Gasol in the playoffs....to stop the Warriors from dropping 110+....

Hahahahahahahahahh and another Hahahahahahahahahh

Well if your theory is correct they got exactly what they were looking for a trade of Melo for assets...Only think tho it resulted in a first round exit...

My Theory was proven correct with 2 teams Indiana and GSW...young teams who made it just as far if not further than the Knicks...

I'm about having a young team to grow with and have success

You're about having an old team to fold with creating a mess

NEXT?

Who did Indy and GS trade away for young assets?????

They didn't they held on to their players and didn't get caught up in the hype....

Klay was sought after by OKC for Harden....they said no thanks. I believe Steph Curry was mentioned in the Melo rumors once again they held on to him.

Indy didn't S&T Hibbert to Portland a la David Lee to GSW..... but instead matched his offer sheet. They didn't trade their second pick Lance Stephenson to get someone like O.J. Mayo. They also didn't Landry Fields him(same draft class btw and act like he was the gift and then once trades and new acquisitions were made treat him like the curse)

What had any of those players showed up until those moments? Not a whole lot. Curry was about as fragile as they come......Galloesque. I wonder if Warrior fans were pulling their hairs out hoping Melo or Rudy Gay would come their way because of Peter Pan's ankles? I doubt it.

Oh and the Warriors were offered Chandler for pick 7 but they said no we'd rather select Harrison Barnes and keep him

Once again....

I'm about having a young team to grow with and have success

You're about having an old team to fold with creating a mess

Papabear Says

You know for over 40 years I've been I've been hearing the same old bull sh!! get a young team get a star player to this do that and none of it worked. We had some great teams during the Michael Jordan era and he stood in our way. We have a star in Melo and we are about to burn him out making him play at the 4 against bigger men. So far in these playoffs the last teams standing are The Heat who ain't a young team, the Spurs who ain't young, The Grizzly's who ain't all that young, and the Pacers who are young and will get thier clocks rung be the Heat.
We need to build with what we have. The only thing is we may have to let JR go because we really don't need 2 ball hogs and JR is not the number 2 scorer we need. We need a better scorer and leader. We need to find a way to get Chris Paul.

Papabear wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:There's really no need for any NBA player to take 20FGA/gm unless he's Lebron or Micheal Jordan.

Melo takes this many FGA/gm for 2 reasons...

1 - He Lust To Shoot The Rock

2 - The Players around him feel less significant or are stamped down while on the court with him ultimately coming to brainstorming conclusions..... it's near impossible to construct a team around him that compliments his skillets where it can win at the highest level.

The irony and Hypocrisy in all of this...the greater portion of the fan base is willing to give the organization as much time necessary to figure out what roster will work for Melo, while OTOH if the organization infuses youth on the team they want to see immediate star potential otherwise scrap the game plan and acquire the most talented, malcontent, underachiever.... as possible to make them feel at ease.

So why was Denver trying to keep and resign Melo??

Because they had Lawson/Afflalo/Cap Space-Expiring contracts/Future picks....to not only re-sign Melo but to get younger, add pieces, and to play a style of basketball more suited to today's game. Also they could sign Melo and then trade him...you know like they did Nene/Afflalo/Harrington.

Last I checked Denver is Denver and we're the Knicks

Next idiotic question?

So they wanted to resign Melo to trade him...Hahahahahahahahahh...They look like they could have used Melo in the playoffs...

Yep....

Denver looked like they could have used Paul George or Tony Allen or Marc Gasol in the playoffs....to stop the Warriors from dropping 110+....

Hahahahahahahahahh and another Hahahahahahahahahh

Well if your theory is correct they got exactly what they were looking for a trade of Melo for assets...Only think tho it resulted in a first round exit...

My Theory was proven correct with 2 teams Indiana and GSW...young teams who made it just as far if not further than the Knicks...

I'm about having a young team to grow with and have success

You're about having an old team to fold with creating a mess

NEXT?

Who did Indy and GS trade away for young assets?????

They didn't they held on to their players and didn't get caught up in the hype....

Klay was sought after by OKC for Harden....they said no thanks. I believe Steph Curry was mentioned in the Melo rumors once again they held on to him.

Indy didn't S&T Hibbert to Portland a la David Lee to GSW..... but instead matched his offer sheet. They didn't trade their second pick Lance Stephenson to get someone like O.J. Mayo. They also didn't Landry Fields him(same draft class btw and act like he was the gift and then once trades and new acquisitions were made treat him like the curse)

What had any of those players showed up until those moments? Not a whole lot. Curry was about as fragile as they come......Galloesque. I wonder if Warrior fans were pulling their hairs out hoping Melo or Rudy Gay would come their way because of Peter Pan's ankles? I doubt it.

Oh and the Warriors were offered Chandler for pick 7 but they said no we'd rather select Harrison Barnes and keep him

Once again....

I'm about having a young team to grow with and have success

You're about having an old team to fold with creating a mess

Papabear Says

You know for over 40 years I've been I've been hearing the same old bull sh!! get a young team get a star player to this do that and none of it worked. We had some great teams during the Michael Jordan era and he stood in our way. We have a star in Melo and we are about to burn him out making him play at the 4 against bigger men. So far in these playoffs the last teams standing are The Heat who ain't a young team, the Spurs who ain't young, The Grizzly's who ain't all that young, and the Pacers who are young and will get thier clocks rung be the Heat.
We need to build with what we have. The only thing is we may have to let JR go because we really don't need 2 ball hogs and JR is not the number 2 scorer we need. We need a better scorer and leader. We need to find a way to get Chris Paul.

I think the pacers are going to surprise you.. they will be no cake walk for the heat.. not one bit..

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo can shoot much as he likes as long as he shoots 50%. But if his shot isn't there than other facets of his game needs to get better. His handle is very weak and passing skills are below average. Next year Melo needs to get better in this area. It's very simple.
1) 50% shooting for the entire season
2) be able to dribble the length of the court at full speed. A keen eye will see that he cannot do this.
3) get better with the passing, get teammates involved.

i put in my two cents last night in the game thread:

1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol
in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.

a lot of common ground in the wish list for this overrated cat.

I think if he has better teammates and gets some calls he has all of those things covered. He already worked with Hakeem and my guess is he revisits that.

Explain which Top 30-50 players in this league this wouldn't apply to?

The other two guys that are supposed to be the Knicks superstar trio scored a combined 4 points. The rest of the team shot just under 34% last night. If you take shump's shooting out the rest of the team shot 28%. He doesn't need world beaters. Even if JR or Tyson had a normal game the Knicks most likely force a game 7. Who are the heroes on the current team that Melo is neglecting?

It's interesting how you're trying to nail guys for 1 gm yesterday when Melo played subpar during the whole playoffs. Actually because of our role players Felton/Shumpert/Prigs is the reason why we went as far as we did. Melo doesn't make them better though. They are who they are in spite of Melo. I want a STAR who makes players better whether they are Max Cats or they are the 12th man on the team.

So stay on point. The sentence I bolded......which Top 30 to 50 players wouldn't that apply to?

You know you are living in a dream world. Melo will be the leader of the Knicks for quite some time so instead of bashing Melo all the time maybe you can be a little helpful in making suggestions on how to build around Melo. You think that the Pacers are that great?? Then watch the calls LeBron and Wade gets. Watch how the Pacers butts get kicked all over the place. And by the way the foul calls against the Pacers for fouling LeBron and Wade will be the same type of fouls that Melo never got calls on. All you do all day is bash Melo. Is there anything else you can talk about??

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:There's really no need for any NBA player to take 20FGA/gm unless he's Lebron or Micheal Jordan.

Melo takes this many FGA/gm for 2 reasons...

1 - He Lust To Shoot The Rock

2 - The Players around him feel less significant or are stamped down while on the court with him ultimately coming to brainstorming conclusions..... it's near impossible to construct a team around him that compliments his skillets where it can win at the highest level.

The irony and Hypocrisy in all of this...the greater portion of the fan base is willing to give the organization as much time necessary to figure out what roster will work for Melo, while OTOH if the organization infuses youth on the team they want to see immediate star potential otherwise scrap the game plan and acquire the most talented, malcontent, underachiever.... as possible to make them feel at ease.

So why was Denver trying to keep and resign Melo??

Because they had Lawson/Afflalo/Cap Space-Expiring contracts/Future picks....to not only re-sign Melo but to get younger, add pieces, and to play a style of basketball more suited to today's game. Also they could sign Melo and then trade him...you know like they did Nene/Afflalo/Harrington.

Last I checked Denver is Denver and we're the Knicks

Next idiotic question?

So they wanted to resign Melo to trade him...Hahahahahahahahahh...They look like they could have used Melo in the playoffs...

Yep....

Denver looked like they could have used Paul George or Tony Allen or Marc Gasol in the playoffs....to stop the Warriors from dropping 110+....

Hahahahahahahahahh and another Hahahahahahahahahh

Well if your theory is correct they got exactly what they were looking for a trade of Melo for assets...Only think tho it resulted in a first round exit...

My Theory was proven correct with 2 teams Indiana and GSW...young teams who made it just as far if not further than the Knicks...

I'm about having a young team to grow with and have success

You're about having an old team to fold with creating a mess

NEXT?

Who did Indy and GS trade away for young assets?????

They didn't they held on to their players and didn't get caught up in the hype....

Klay was sought after by OKC for Harden....they said no thanks. I believe Steph Curry was mentioned in the Melo rumors once again they held on to him.

Indy didn't S&T Hibbert to Portland a la David Lee to GSW..... but instead matched his offer sheet. They didn't trade their second pick Lance Stephenson to get someone like O.J. Mayo. They also didn't Landry Fields him(same draft class btw and act like he was the gift and then once trades and new acquisitions were made treat him like the curse)

What had any of those players showed up until those moments? Not a whole lot. Curry was about as fragile as they come......Galloesque. I wonder if Warrior fans were pulling their hairs out hoping Melo or Rudy Gay would come their way because of Peter Pan's ankles? I doubt it.

Oh and the Warriors were offered Chandler for pick 7 but they said no we'd rather select Harrison Barnes and keep him

Once again....

I'm about having a young team to grow with and have success

You're about having an old team to fold with creating a mess

Papabear Says

You know for over 40 years I've been I've been hearing the same old bull sh!! get a young team get a star player to this do that and none of it worked. We had some great teams during the Michael Jordan era and he stood in our way. We have a star in Melo and we are about to burn him out making him play at the 4 against bigger men. So far in these playoffs the last teams standing are The Heat who ain't a young team, the Spurs who ain't young, The Grizzly's who ain't all that young, and the Pacers who are young and will get thier clocks rung be the Heat.
We need to build with what we have. The only thing is we may have to let JR go because we really don't need 2 ball hogs and JR is not the number 2 scorer we need. We need a better scorer and leader. We need to find a way to get Chris Paul.

I think the pacers are going to surprise you.. they will be no cake walk for the heat.. not one bit..

Papabear Says

Ha Ha Ha you wish!

papabear, I have been pretty much on target this year with indy, they are good man...