AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:He's not...he's slightly better right now but he's gonna cost more money than we have....

We should target.....

Youth

Earl Clark
Terrence Williams
Cole Aldrich
B.J. Mullens
Anthony Murrow
Dominique Jones
Austin Daye
Brandan Wright
Wesley Johnson
Chase Buddinger
DeJuan Blair
Greg Smith
Nolan Smith

Vets

Corey Brewer
Ton Allen
Andray Blatche
Marco Belli
Teen Wolf
Dorrell Wright
J.J. Redick
Nick Young
Jose Calderon
C.J. Watson
Demarre Carroll
Carlos Delfino
Shaun Livingston
Francisco Garcia
Matt Barnes
Ryan Hollins
Martell Webster

Now some of these guys still may have high price tags but money dries up fast too....so you never know but we need to start with the youth free agents first and foremost combing the whole league until we sign at a minimum 2-3 of them. Some of them I feel will come real cheap as they'll be looking for defined roles and playing time possibly more than money.

Who do YOU think we should get? You named mostly scrubs.

Terrence Williams is GARBAGE.

We're in no position to be choosy first of all because we currently have scrubs and Ancient Artifacts at that....From the youth list at a minimum I see 5 gettable players, the vets will be tricker because they're going to want their money.

We need to replace

Kidd=Scrub

Novak=Scrub

Camby=Scrub

Kurt Thomas=Scrub

James Flight White=Scrub he's not even better than T-Will

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:He's not...he's slightly better right now but he's gonna cost more money than we have....

We should target.....

Youth

Earl Clark
Terrence Williams
Cole Aldrich
B.J. Mullens
Anthony Murrow
Dominique Jones
Austin Daye
Brandan Wright
Wesley Johnson
Chase Buddinger
DeJuan Blair
Greg Smith
Nolan Smith

Vets

Corey Brewer
Ton Allen
Andray Blatche
Marco Belli
Teen Wolf
Dorrell Wright
J.J. Redick
Nick Young
Jose Calderon
C.J. Watson
Demarre Carroll
Carlos Delfino
Shaun Livingston
Francisco Garcia
Matt Barnes
Ryan Hollins
Martell Webster

Now some of these guys still may have high price tags but money dries up fast too....so you never know but we need to start with the youth free agents first and foremost combing the whole league until we sign at a minimum 2-3 of them. Some of them I feel will come real cheap as they'll be looking for defined roles and playing time possibly more than money.

Who do YOU think we should get? You named mostly scrubs.

Terrence Williams is GARBAGE.

Completely incorrect. T-Will's actually a nice talent - even showed it in flashes in the Boston series when Doc called his number. One of the better names on 3G4G's list (good list btw). If this kid ever went to a situation where he got some playing time he could be an impact player. Dude's 6'6", strong/tough, can handle and pass it and hits the glass extremely well for a 2, good defender, has enough one on one skills to go get his own shot, etc...Very nice player coming out of Louisville.

Dominique Jones is a similar player to T-Will - 6'5" wing that's a good scorer and very good passer for a 2G. Just didn't work out for him in Dallas for whatever reason. That kid still has a pretty bright future imo. Another good call by 3G4G.

3G4G wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Let me ask you guys -- what could we get for $3m in the draft? 1 2nd round pick in the 31-45 range? 2 2nd round picks? Possibly a low level 1 in the 25-30 range? What's the going rate for picks these days? Realistically, how far can we stretch that $3M in terms of the draft?

It'll take $3mil plus future pick at a minimum to get a pick between 25-35...after that it's about $2mil value and possibly a pick for the next 5....then possibly $1mil straight up for a pick after 40....

That's what I was thinking -- what did we give the Lakers' again for Toney Douglas? $3m + a future 2 I think, right? And TD wound up going 29th I believe...

Didn't realize about the cash included in the Felton deal thing, though. That would suck if we couldn't buy an extra pick in this draft..

VCoug wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Let me ask you guys -- what could we get for $3m in the draft? 1 2nd round pick in the 31-45 range? 2 2nd round picks? Possibly a low level 1 in the 25-30 range? What's the going rate for picks these days? Realistically, how far can we stretch that $3M in terms of the draft?

I don't think we can buy a pick this year since we used it in the Felton trade http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/Search/SearchResults.php?Player=Felton&Team=Knicks&BeginDate=2012-01-12&EndDate=2012-10-01&PlayerMovementChkBx=yes&submit=Search.

I don't think we get the ability to send cash considerations again until after the draft though I can't any information online if I'm right or not.

I think when an NBA champion is crowned is the official end of the season. Thinking the clock for the next year of using the cash resets then. So Grunwald would be able to buy some picks if that's the case.

3G4G wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:He's not...he's slightly better right now but he's gonna cost more money than we have....

We should target.....

Youth

Earl Clark
Terrence Williams
Cole Aldrich
B.J. Mullens
Anthony Murrow
Dominique Jones
Austin Daye
Brandan Wright
Wesley Johnson
Chase Buddinger
DeJuan Blair
Greg Smith
Nolan Smith

Vets

Corey Brewer
Ton Allen
Andray Blatche
Marco Belli
Teen Wolf
Dorrell Wright
J.J. Redick
Nick Young
Jose Calderon
C.J. Watson
Demarre Carroll
Carlos Delfino
Shaun Livingston
Francisco Garcia
Matt Barnes
Ryan Hollins
Martell Webster

Now some of these guys still may have high price tags but money dries up fast too....so you never know but we need to start with the youth free agents first and foremost combing the whole league until we sign at a minimum 2-3 of them. Some of them I feel will come real cheap as they'll be looking for defined roles and playing time possibly more than money.

Who do YOU think we should get? You named mostly scrubs.

Terrence Williams is GARBAGE.

Completely incorrect. T-Will's actually a nice talent - even showed it in flashes in the Boston series when Doc called his number. One of the better names on 3G4G's list (good list btw). If this kid ever went to a situation where he got some playing time he could be an impact player. Dude's 6'6", strong/tough, can handle and pass it extremely well for a 2, good defender, has enough one on one skills to go get his own shot, etc...Very nice player coming out of Louisville.

Dominique Jones is a similar player to T-Will - 6'5" wing that's a good scorer and very good passer for a 2G. Just didn't work out for him in Dallas for whatever reason. That kid still has a pretty bright future imo. Another good call by 3G4G.

Thanks Finestrg I tried to do a somewhat thorough analysis instead of throwing names out there on a msg brd wall seeing if they stick...I watch tons of basketball and watch the game probably more so with a managerial eye than anything else these days.

I want to so something to what Memphis/Pacers did in picking up some youth and vets(Bayless/Pondexter/Davis/Daye....Allen/Prince.....Augustin/Green/Mahinmi....West/Young) and see if something pays off...Of course we can't quite do it the way they did because they accomplished most via trade and in stages..... but we have a little something to work with in Chandler and our exception(s)

Good points. Completely agree. We're definitely on the same page.

Finestrg wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:He's not...he's slightly better right now but he's gonna cost more money than we have....

We should target.....

Youth

Earl Clark
Terrence Williams
Cole Aldrich
B.J. Mullens
Anthony Murrow
Dominique Jones
Austin Daye
Brandan Wright
Wesley Johnson
Chase Buddinger
DeJuan Blair
Greg Smith
Nolan Smith

Vets

Corey Brewer
Ton Allen
Andray Blatche
Marco Belli
Teen Wolf
Dorrell Wright
J.J. Redick
Nick Young
Jose Calderon
C.J. Watson
Demarre Carroll
Carlos Delfino
Shaun Livingston
Francisco Garcia
Matt Barnes
Ryan Hollins
Martell Webster

Now some of these guys still may have high price tags but money dries up fast too....so you never know but we need to start with the youth free agents first and foremost combing the whole league until we sign at a minimum 2-3 of them. Some of them I feel will come real cheap as they'll be looking for defined roles and playing time possibly more than money.

Who do YOU think we should get? You named mostly scrubs.

Terrence Williams is GARBAGE.

Completely incorrect. T-Will's actually a nice talent - even showed it in flashes in the Boston series when Doc called his number. One of the better names on 3G4G's list (good list btw). If this kid ever went to a situation where he got some playing time he could be an impact player. Dude's 6'6", strong/tough, can handle and pass it extremely well for a 2, good defender, has enough one on one skills to go get his own shot, etc...Very nice player coming out of Louisville.

Dominique Jones is a similar player to T-Will - 6'5" wing that's a good scorer and very good passer for a 2G. Just didn't work out for him in Dallas for whatever reason. That kid still has a pretty bright future imo. Another good call by 3G4G.

Thanks Finestrg I tried to do a somewhat thorough analysis instead of throwing names out there on a msg brd wall seeing if they stick...I watch tons of basketball and watch the game probably more so with a managerial eye than anything else these days.

I want to so something to what Memphis/Pacers did in picking up some youth and vets(Bayless/Pondexter/Davis/Daye....Allen/Prince.....Augustin/Green/Mahinmi....West/Young) and see if something pays off...Of course we can't quite do it the way they did because they accomplished most via trade and in stages..... but we have a little something to work with in Chandler and our exception(s)

Good points. Completely agree. We're definitely on the same page.

Actually a couple other players were acquired via free agency<------most likely our best shot at improving the team....

nyshakespeare wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Let me ask you guys -- what could we get for $3m in the draft? 1 2nd round pick in the 31-45 range? 2 2nd round picks? Possibly a low level 1 in the 25-30 range? What's the going rate for picks these days? Realistically, how far can we stretch that $3M in terms of the draft?

I don't think we can buy a pick this year since we used it in the Felton trade http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/Search/SearchResults.php?Player=Felton&Team=Knicks&BeginDate=2012-01-12&EndDate=2012-10-01&PlayerMovementChkBx=yes&submit=Search.

I don't think we get the ability to send cash considerations again until after the draft though I can't any information online if I'm right or not.

I think when an NBA champion is crowned is the official end of the season. Thinking the clock for the next year of using the cash resets then. So Grunwald would be able to buy some picks if that's the case.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q115

According to that the "Salary Cap" year ends on June 30 and begins on July 7 and I would take that to mean that July 1 is when we're allowed to trade cash again. I also remember reading an article last year that stated we weren't able to buy a draft pick because we had already used cash when we acquired Tyson the previous offseason.

Again though, I'm not positive about any of this and I can't find any confirmation online.

3G4G wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Buying a draft pick in this draft would be a waste of Dolan's money unless we are moving up to get someone.

Why do you say that?!? You don't think there's anyone projected to go in the 2nd round that could help us?? I certainly do...Brandon Davies, Reggie Bullock, Pierre Jackson, Durand Scott...These guys couldn't help us?? Of course they could. Here's hoping our GM isn't as closed-minded as you my friend.

Anubis rather have Tracy McGrady or Corey Magette or get this....

Jeremy Tyler "On The Cheap"......<------ROTFLOL @ that Scrub

Proven vets versus proven scrubs.

Jeremy Tyler would be a project big making the MINIMUM.

Terrence Williams goes from team to team and never gets burn. You was hyping Terrence Williams like crazy when he was drafted. The dude is a BUST give it up.

3G4G wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Buying a draft pick in this draft would be a waste of Dolan's money unless we are moving up to get someone.

Why do you say that?!? You don't think there's anyone projected to go in the 2nd round that could help us?? I certainly do...Brandon Davies, Reggie Bullock, Pierre Jackson, Durand Scott...These guys couldn't help us?? Of course they could. Here's hoping our GM isn't as closed-minded as you my friend.

Anubis rather have Tracy McGrady or Corey Magette or get this....

Jeremy Tyler "On The Cheap"......<------ROTFLOL @ that Scrub

Proven vets versus proven scrubs.

Jeremy Tyler would be a project big making the MINIMUM.

Terrence Williams goes from team to team and never gets burn. You was hyping Terrence Williams like crazy when he was drafted. The dude is a BUST give it up.

You would have a point if I only mentioned T-Will but as usual you don't have one. I listed several projects for minimum salary.

Jeremy Tyler is a SCRUB period....

He is a PROJECT BIG. I dont expect major contributions from him.

Hence why I have yet to mention him. You seem concerned with guys who will never see the floor under Woodson.

Earl Clark would be ok but I doubt we can get him.

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Buying a draft pick in this draft would be a waste of Dolan's money unless we are moving up to get someone.

Why do you say that?!? You don't think there's anyone projected to go in the 2nd round that could help us?? I certainly do...Brandon Davies, Reggie Bullock, Pierre Jackson, Durand Scott...These guys couldn't help us?? Of course they could. Here's hoping our GM isn't as closed-minded as you my friend.

Anubis rather have Tracy McGrady or Corey Magette or get this....

Jeremy Tyler "On The Cheap"......<------ROTFLOL @ that Scrub

Proven vets versus proven scrubs.

Jeremy Tyler would be a project big making the MINIMUM.

Terrence Williams goes from team to team and never gets burn. You was hyping Terrence Williams like crazy when he was drafted. The dude is a BUST give it up.

You would have a point if I only mentioned T-Will but as usual you don't have one. I listed several projects for minimum salary.

Jeremy Tyler is a SCRUB period....

He is a PROJECT BIG. I dont expect major contributions from him.

Hence why I have yet to mention him. You seem concerned with guys who will never see the floor under Woodson.

Earl Clark would be ok but I doubt we can get him.

Earl Clark was a bust until the Lakers were forced to play him.....

Jerryd Bayless alligator arms a guy you hyped was a bust until the Grizzlies decided to play him...

Both jumped from team-to-team

Another player you hyped O.J. Mayo...he's been attempted to be traded several occasions and looks like he may not be brought back by Dallas, they're not 100% sold on him

Another player you used to refer to as James Larden....had you calling him a BEAST once he was traded to Houston....

So you know what you can do right about now....