CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Why do people make out, when a player goes through a stretch where they stink, that thats the real them and the previous years of achievement were just an illusion? No way is Tyson as bad a player as he showed in these playoffs. He was a lot more inconsistent this season and his defense slipped, but hopefully he can get back on track after an offseason of rest.

One thing I will say, he looked pale and thin since coming back- didn't look right at all.

Seriously, who would people rather have at center who is actually obtainable? Remember you only have the vet minimum and maybe the MMLE (unless we have to spend it on JR)- Earl Baron? You think a 37 year old K-Mart is going to ast a full season at C?

I think Tyson gets a pass because of health issues if he doesn't make the comments he made after game 4 and last night. You can't be the problem and point at everybody else. Tyson is supposed to be a team leader. Leaders don't do that in the media. Leaders don't get techs every game. Tyson didnt seem like a guy with a championship pedigree on the floor or in the locker room.

unstopaball12 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:If we don't resign smith.

Chandler for gordon and lopez?

Eric Gordon and Robin Lopez? I doubt NO is going to give up on Gordon that quickly and they already have Anthony Davis and Ryan Anderson in their front court, Tyson would just impede their development.

They are already open to trade him.

Davis and Anderson play the 4 spot. Getting chandler will give them 3 solid frontcourt players

I didn't realize both of them played 4. Still, I would imagine the plan for them is for Davis play 5 and Anderson to play 4 but if not then I would do that trade in a heartbeat.

Trading Chandler won't solve that unless you bring in a better player.

Knee jerk reaction the morning after. It hurts to lose but really, the guy makes 14mil a a year, in his 30's now and is ours.

He is ok. Our season had a lot to do with other teams and a weak ass east. We did good. Upside is limited.

AnubisADL wrote:

Nalod wrote:Hibbert is younger, bigger, and a better basketball player than Chandler.

Trading Chandler won't solve that unless you bring in a better player.

Knee jerk reaction the morning after. It hurts to lose but really, the guy makes 14mil a a year, in his 30's now and is ours.

He is ok. Our season had a lot to do with other teams and a weak ass east. We did good. Upside is limited.

The point is to acquire assets until we have cap space in 2015

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Vmart wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Caseloads wrote:can we trade chandler to sac for crazy man child demarcus cuzzins

can we trade chandler to clips for deandre and bledsoe

No way, Cousins is way too talented to give up on this soon and Tyson adds nothing to a terrible team like Sacramento.

The most logical destination for a Tyson trade would be to a good team looking to upgrade center to put them over the top. Also, any Tyson trade needs to have a center coming back to us. Around the trade deadline I thought LAC, GS, and OKC were the best fits in terms of fit and need but I don't think that's the case anymore; GS is not trading Bogut after the postseason he just had and I want nothing to do with Perkins so both those teams are out. Looking around the league today I think the most likely trade partners are LAC, for DeAndre and Bledsoe, or Denver for a package involving Javale McGee.

My big hope this offseason is that we can upgrade our shaky, inconsistent backcourt. We should be willing to take a slight downgrade at center for an upgrade at guard. And I believe Tyson still has plenty of value around the league; he was voted into the AllStar game by the coaches and then All-Defensive 1st team by those same coaches.

Knicks need a PF too can't have Melo being out of position.

I don't think he is out of position at PF. Melo just had maybe the best individual season of his career and we had our best season in over a decade with him playing PF. We also consistently looked much better with him at PF than with a traditional lineup of two bigs and Melo at SF. Even this series, where going small should have been a great disadvantage, when we played a traditional lineup with Tyson at C, Kenyon at PF, and Melo at SF we looked absolutely terrible and we got outrebounded by 8 in that quarter.

Three of the four remaining teams in the playoffs start two brutish big men; the 4th team that doesn't has LeBron who is the great equalizer in the NBA. We might need to reconsider our smallball lineup moving forward especially since these teams are going to be around for a while.

True but with two caveats. In the West, GS gave everything SA could handle and really should have won the first 2 games in SA by playing small. If they had played a little better/smarter they could easily be in the WCF right now. OKC lost their 2nd best player to a knee injury and they should be playing small more often. Unfortunately for them, their coach kind of sucks and needs to be replaced.

In our case, I've been saying since last season that I thought we're a better team with Melo at the 4. He needs a defensive/rebounding 5 to cover up his deficiencies, which Tyson should be able to do but he got sick and had a neck injury which severely limited him; a capable PG to run the offense and hit open 3s; and two more 3-point shooters, at least one who's a defensive stopper to throw on the other team's best wing and another who's good at and knows when to slash to the basket for passes from Melo. We're missing the other 3 guys who can do that consistently.

The other thing I'll say about Melo at the 4 is that he needs to put in more work in the offseason. I get the impression that he doesn't put the same work in that guys like Lebron and Kobe. One thing is that he's probably not in as good shape as he could be. Getting in better shape should allow him to miss fewer games during the season and, more importantly, he'd be better able to absorb contact and finish at the rim. If you look at Melo's career he's been average to below average in the paint and at the basket. Him getting in better shape should improve those numbers and improve the team.

VCoug wrote:True but with two caveats. In the West, GS gave everything SA could handle and really should have won the first 2 games in SA by playing small. If they had played a little better/smarter they could easily be in the WCF right now. OKC lost their 2nd best player to a knee injury and they should be playing small more often. Unfortunately for them, their coach kind of sucks and needs to be replaced.

In our case, I've been saying since last season that I thought we're a better team with Melo at the 4. He needs a defensive/rebounding 5 to cover up his deficiencies, which Tyson should be able to do but he got sick and had a neck injury which severely limited him; a capable PG to run the offense and hit open 3s; and two more 3-point shooters, at least one who's a defensive stopper to throw on the other team's best wing and another who's good at and knows when to slash to the basket for passes from Melo. We're missing the other 3 guys who can do that consistently.

The other thing I'll say about Melo at the 4 is that he needs to put in more work in the offseason. I get the impression that he doesn't put the same work in that guys like Lebron and Kobe. One thing is that he's probably not in as good shape as he could be. Getting in better shape should allow him to miss fewer games during the season and, more importantly, he'd be better able to absorb contact and finish at the rim. If you look at Melo's career he's been average to below average in the paint and at the basket. Him getting in better shape should improve those numbers and improve the team.

Melo is not a PF. Do you see how much bigger David West is than Melo.

Melo is a SF who can play minutes at PF if needed.

AnubisADL wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Are you looking for max assets and a complete restart in 2015? Then you have to trade Melo and most of our other vets.
If we're keeping Melo, who's already played 10 seasons, then we should try to maximize what we have now rather than aim for 2015 (when he'll be starting his thirteenth season). There's no point in building a strong supporting cast just in time for Melo to decline.

Im saying the Knicks already know what possible Free Agents will be available in 2015.

It's VERY difficult to get PG's and C's. I edited my post to show the combination of players Im referring too.

A Jennings' and Sander's combo is buying low. Milwaukee is obsessed with making the playoffs every year. See the Tobias trade and trading down for Ellis to dump Bogut.

I think we too are similar to the Bucks. This might not be in concert with what most hardcore fans want in NY. Guys that shake loose like Jennings are flawed in some way. Can he get better? Handle the pressure in NYC? Be a leader? I don't know. Potential?