RonRon wrote:Copeland pulls out a rebounder, stretches the floor, has the ability to penetrate/facilitate/move the opponents DEF, and OPENS UP THE GAME for the players on the floor to penetrate
He is a PF/C not a SF, he is best utilized as a stretch 5, and brings a whole new dynamic for the team, including opening up the lanes to penetrate to the paint for EZ BASKETS
He did most of his work when he was playing C vs Mahimmi and then with West with our best defensive/mobile big in Kmart
We were able to get Hibbert in foul trouble this game but I wonder if Woodson would have elected to give him the opportunity had Hibbert not have been in foul trouble
He deserves to play in the big part of the rotation over Amare, Melo at the 4, some of Tyson's minutes, and with Martin
It would make sense to tell them they each must play and their opponents work hard, as we need to tire the Pacer's lineup as much with our depth that Woodson has refused to use

Pablo, Melo, and JR Smith must look to penetrate and read the defense when they are playing with Copeland
Iman must look to do the same and either pull up for a closer shot or go in all the way if Copeland is being defended instead of shooting it for the open shot most of the time

Our lineups were not working and it was hard for anyone to get in rhythm especially our role players
We must continue to look to get in the paint, break Pacer's DEF down, utilizing Cope's ability to spread the floor, more screens both on and off the ball, and with PLAYER AND BALL movement
JR must make use of his abilities, look to get easier shots in momentum to gain rhythm, and NOT settle
We need him to be focused by playing DEF, penetrating to break the Pacer's DEF, and look to score with high % shots with good looks

I had said this prior to the play offs started, to build the confidence of Copeland because we play with a different dynamic with his abilities
His ability to pull a rebounder/shot blocker/the help defender on top of the good 1v1 DEF advantage that Pacers have with size/speed/athleticism/length
Our lineups were flawed with our players, I hope we come back to beat this Pacer's team, and if George Hill is out at least 1 more game, it would greatly increase our chances

I am not sure if we can afford to keep Copeland in the off season because I can see a team easily paying a stretch 4/5 with his other skills from 2-5m a year
If not I hope we are able to get a player like Ryan Kelly with a 2nd round pick somehow

I think will be keep him even if we have to pay him the 3 million MMLE.

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Here we go. Welcome to Alzheimers 101.

Copeland has a good game, or hit's one three, and automatically the "Woodson doesn't know how to coach" light comes on.
Cope was in the doghouse most of the latter part of the season due to his almost painfully obvious defensive woes. Does anyone remember any of that?

He was featured quite extensively early on in the season as Priggy's go to guy. Nice cameo; can you hear Grunny thinking in his head:
"hey other teams' GM's, are you watching this guy? Care to float us a draft pick for him at some point in time? And look, he doesn't seem to get hurt, either? Nice, low salary you can have..."

Now Cope is worth more than the SMOTY. SMH.

Amazing isn't it...Remember when Jorts score 14 points and grabbed like 10 boards...Folks wanted him starting over Amare...Cope hasn't experienced the hot lights of MSG and media scrutiny yet...Dude could fold like a bed sheet...Give the guy time to assimilate...

Starting Jorts over Amari would've been a great move.....Maybe Amari would've been a little healthier and hungrier for the playoffs. All these guys need is a chance and playing time. Once your confidence builds up, you're right there with the other guys. Cope was already a confident offensive player. Add in the fact that he's surrounded by old school vets. It's a perfect storm.

Panos wrote:

holfresh wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Here we go. Welcome to Alzheimers 101.

Copeland has a good game, or hit's one three, and automatically the "Woodson doesn't know how to coach" light comes on.
Cope was in the doghouse most of the latter part of the season due to his almost painfully obvious defensive woes. Does anyone remember any of that?

He was featured quite extensively early on in the season as Priggy's go to guy. Nice cameo; can you hear Grunny thinking in his head:
"hey other teams' GM's, are you watching this guy? Care to float us a draft pick for him at some point in time? And look, he doesn't seem to get hurt, either? Nice, low salary you can have..."

Now Cope is worth more than the SMOTY. SMH.

Amazing isn't it...Remember when Jorts score 14 points and grabbed like 10 boards...Folks wanted him starting over Amare...Cope hasn't experienced the hot lights of MSG and media scrutiny yet...Dude could fold like a bed sheet...Give the guy time to assimilate...

Thank you for the voice of reason. Kid hasn't proven he can sustain anything. He's had a few good games.
Let's not make the usual mistake of overvaluing a rook based on a tiny sample set. Snickerdoodle had a great full first season, if we remember correctly. People didn't want to trade him for KG. Haha, what a joke! I couldn't believe it then, and I still can't believe it now...

Yes Knicks fans tend to overvaluable players and freak out when our team loses a game (the sky is falling) and winning a game (contender status.) No one is calling Copeland a star though, just a player that has a good future with the team to be a solid role player. Is that to far of a reach? I don't see how.

Knixkik wrote:

Panos wrote:

holfresh wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Here we go. Welcome to Alzheimers 101.

Copeland has a good game, or hit's one three, and automatically the "Woodson doesn't know how to coach" light comes on.
Cope was in the doghouse most of the latter part of the season due to his almost painfully obvious defensive woes. Does anyone remember any of that?

He was featured quite extensively early on in the season as Priggy's go to guy. Nice cameo; can you hear Grunny thinking in his head:
"hey other teams' GM's, are you watching this guy? Care to float us a draft pick for him at some point in time? And look, he doesn't seem to get hurt, either? Nice, low salary you can have..."

Now Cope is worth more than the SMOTY. SMH.

Amazing isn't it...Remember when Jorts score 14 points and grabbed like 10 boards...Folks wanted him starting over Amare...Cope hasn't experienced the hot lights of MSG and media scrutiny yet...Dude could fold like a bed sheet...Give the guy time to assimilate...

Thank you for the voice of reason. Kid hasn't proven he can sustain anything. He's had a few good games.
Let's not make the usual mistake of overvaluing a rook based on a tiny sample set. Snickerdoodle had a great full first season, if we remember correctly. People didn't want to trade him for KG. Haha, what a joke! I couldn't believe it then, and I still can't believe it now...

Yes Knicks fans tend to overvaluable players and freak out when our team loses a game (the sky is falling) and winning a game (contender status.) No one is calling Copeland a star though, just a player that has a good future with the team to be a solid role player. Is that to far of a reach? I don't see how.

U can't make that call that he is a solid role player without him actually being a solid role player...

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Panos wrote:

holfresh wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Here we go. Welcome to Alzheimers 101.

Copeland has a good game, or hit's one three, and automatically the "Woodson doesn't know how to coach" light comes on.
Cope was in the doghouse most of the latter part of the season due to his almost painfully obvious defensive woes. Does anyone remember any of that?

He was featured quite extensively early on in the season as Priggy's go to guy. Nice cameo; can you hear Grunny thinking in his head:
"hey other teams' GM's, are you watching this guy? Care to float us a draft pick for him at some point in time? And look, he doesn't seem to get hurt, either? Nice, low salary you can have..."

Now Cope is worth more than the SMOTY. SMH.

Amazing isn't it...Remember when Jorts score 14 points and grabbed like 10 boards...Folks wanted him starting over Amare...Cope hasn't experienced the hot lights of MSG and media scrutiny yet...Dude could fold like a bed sheet...Give the guy time to assimilate...

Thank you for the voice of reason. Kid hasn't proven he can sustain anything. He's had a few good games.
Let's not make the usual mistake of overvaluing a rook based on a tiny sample set. Snickerdoodle had a great full first season, if we remember correctly. People didn't want to trade him for KG. Haha, what a joke! I couldn't believe it then, and I still can't believe it now...

Yes Knicks fans tend to overvaluable players and freak out when our team loses a game (the sky is falling) and winning a game (contender status.) No one is calling Copeland a star though, just a player that has a good future with the team to be a solid role player. Is that to far of a reach? I don't see how.

U can't make that call that he is a solid role player without him actually being a solid role player...

He has the chance to be a solid role player like I said. Re-read what I wrote. I said future. What gives you the indication he won't?

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Panos wrote:

holfresh wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Here we go. Welcome to Alzheimers 101.

Copeland has a good game, or hit's one three, and automatically the "Woodson doesn't know how to coach" light comes on.
Cope was in the doghouse most of the latter part of the season due to his almost painfully obvious defensive woes. Does anyone remember any of that?

He was featured quite extensively early on in the season as Priggy's go to guy. Nice cameo; can you hear Grunny thinking in his head:
"hey other teams' GM's, are you watching this guy? Care to float us a draft pick for him at some point in time? And look, he doesn't seem to get hurt, either? Nice, low salary you can have..."

Now Cope is worth more than the SMOTY. SMH.

Amazing isn't it...Remember when Jorts score 14 points and grabbed like 10 boards...Folks wanted him starting over Amare...Cope hasn't experienced the hot lights of MSG and media scrutiny yet...Dude could fold like a bed sheet...Give the guy time to assimilate...

Thank you for the voice of reason. Kid hasn't proven he can sustain anything. He's had a few good games.
Let's not make the usual mistake of overvaluing a rook based on a tiny sample set. Snickerdoodle had a great full first season, if we remember correctly. People didn't want to trade him for KG. Haha, what a joke! I couldn't believe it then, and I still can't believe it now...

Yes Knicks fans tend to overvaluable players and freak out when our team loses a game (the sky is falling) and winning a game (contender status.) No one is calling Copeland a star though, just a player that has a good future with the team to be a solid role player. Is that to far of a reach? I don't see how.

U can't make that call that he is a solid role player without him actually being a solid role player...

He has the chance to be a solid role player like I said. Re-read what I wrote. I said future. What gives you the indication he won't?

I never said he won't become that ...I said he isn't that now...People tend to get caught up in scoring and not looking at all aspects of the game ...JR brings more than scoring to the game and Copeland has some learning to do just to get to the understanding level of where JR is...Defense, Rebounding...JR is battle tested and is currently being tested to see if he can withstand the scrutiny that is NY...You have no idea what Copeland would be like under such pressure...Why can't we let Cope grow into a role with the team before we start making him an answer to all our ills..