On offense they had a plan to HELP MELO have a good game. They got the plays started earlier and they spread the floor much more than they did in game 3. They ran sets where Melo could get his shot off without a Pacer Help defender being able to prevent him from going baseline. We spread them out in a way that opened up the floor for Melo to get off. It's about the speed of the ball movement, player movement and spacing.

Another example of the same kind of set.

More plays where we put the Pacers in a tough spot having to give help which will open up the game for our shooters to get open looks with good ball movement. Also gives them an angle to attack the basket. Our sets were sloppy in game 3. They were bunched up or just not run well enough to work. IN that case they need to move the ball and start the play over and get a better look. This will HELP Melo to succeed at his role as a leader for this team. Woody has to make sure his guards get the team going with good sets and not just settle for bad offense. If they do this then Melo will have a real chance to be the star for this team. He can't just force it to happen. It starts with good Team BB.

If this is not the case why don't we just call everyone on the team a superstar

Bippity10 wrote:Nix we saw the pacers game plan back when they played Boston. Pack the paint and collapse on all drives because we won't pass. Chicago dominated us with this style. We can't ISo and expect to win. It's on everyone!

That has nothing to do with Melos legacy. To be a superstar you have to be different. Superstars pick up their teammates not the other way around

I just think we can set Melo up for success if our guards are pushing the pace and getting into the sets quicker, with great spacing and off the ball movement. IMO Melo will do his job if we don't have poor spacing and no ball movement. When the floor is spread it allows Melo to get his shot off against a single defender or a late help defender. When we move slow and don't have ball and player movement then it's easier for teams to just pack it in on us. We need to force their defense to MOVE!!!

Notice how in games were the guards are aggressive on D and O, that leads to steals and a faster pace and that gets Melo going much more than if we just walk it up and go ISO. ISO is good when it comes within the flow of the offense. I wanna see the ball moving and players moving before we settle. The more passes they make the more we work the Pacers D and there will be breakdowns and cracks in the Pacers defense. Those breakdowns and cracks will allow Melo to have lanes to attack as well as the rest of the team.

Felton and Prigs are a HUGE key to this as well. When they play aggressive, PnR and constantly probing the defense it opens up our perimeter game. Maybe then we can get our 3pt game going again. We can't just abandon what got us here. We played fast and loose and dared teams to keep up with us. IN the playoffs we've slowed down to a crawl and it's not always due to the other teams defense. We need to play faster on D and even on made baskets we should be pushing it up the floor and getting the offense going early.

nixluva wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Nix we saw the pacers game plan back when they played Boston. Pack the paint and collapse on all drives because we won't pass. Chicago dominated us with this style. We can't ISo and expect to win. It's on everyone!

That has nothing to do with Melos legacy. To be a superstar you have to be different. Superstars pick up their teammates not the other way around

I just think we can set Melo up for success if our guards are pushing the pace and getting into the sets quicker, with great spacing and off the ball movement. IMO Melo will do his job if we don't have poor spacing and no ball movement. When the floor is spread it allows Melo to get his shot off against a single defender or a late help defender. When we move slow and don't have ball and player movement then it's easier for teams to just pack it in on us. We need to force their defense to MOVE!!!

Notice how in games were the guards are aggressive on D and O, that leads to steals and a faster pace and that gets Melo going much more than if we just walk it up and go ISO. ISO is good when it comes within the flow of the offense. I wanna see the ball moving and players moving before we settle. The more passes they make the more we work the Pacers D and there will be breakdowns and cracks in the Pacers defense. Those breakdowns and cracks will allow Melo to have lanes to attack as well as the rest of the team.

Felton and Prigs are a HUGE key to this as well. When they play aggressive, PnR and constantly probing the defense it opens up our perimeter game. Maybe then we can get our 3pt game going again. We can't just abandon what got us here. We played fast and loose and dared teams to keep up with us. IN the playoffs we've slowed down to a crawl and it's not always due to the other teams defense. We need to play faster on D and even on made baskets we should be pushing it up the floor and getting the offense going early.

Nix you are confusing issues. Melo needs a good majority of these things to win tomorrow. A superstar and really every player, needs his teammates to Be a champion. But a superstar does not need his teammates for he, himself to be great

A superstar does not need his teammates to elevate his game. He should not be waiting for his teammates to do anything. He needs to lift them up. He needs to be the best player on the floor. If he can't do that, then he's not a superstar. Can you ever imagine Lebron or Michael or Kobe playing second fiddle to Hibbert? If Melo is a true superstar than we shouldn't be able to imagine it, or see it tomorrow. Separate yourself.

If he can't do these things. If he needs his teammates to do the full list of things that you mentioned above in order to be great, then you answered the question. You don't think he's a superstar. We won't know until tomorrow. The question hasn't been answered yet

Bippity10 wrote:I feel that the fact that so many feel the need to defend him before the game even starts reveals the fact that you are doubting him

I'm not doubting him at all. I'm curious to see how it goes. Personally I feel confiden he will step up. But we won't know until tomorrow

Why? When in his past has he shown the capacity to step up and dominate? When has he shown he refuses to lose and imposed himself on the team? On what do you base your optimism? Melo is nothing more than a low efficiency ball dominant scorer. And unless he proves otherwise repeatedly over extended periods of time like Lebron, Durant, Kobe have that's all he will ever be.

Kobe is as bad in scoring efficiency but anyone doubt that he will grind his way to a victory by putting whatever he has on the line? Melo is has not shown the mental toughness to do this. He basically disappears against good defenses and shoots 7-29 or whatever. Kevin Garnett and Rondo are closer to being superstars than he is. Because they refuse to lose. Not everything can be captured in stats or results (not that Melo has anything he can boast of) but at the end of the day the most important hing for me is - GRIT

Spreewelll had this in spades, Melo doesn't seem to have any. JR smith has a bunch of it but he is foolhardy and immature and not half as talented as Melo. But talent without grit means very little, grit without talent still gives you something.

This doesn't make Melo a bad player or doesn't mean I hate him. I just don't see him as being a superstar and I don't get why we need to pay him like one. Same goes for Amare. Only person on this roster that has the mental ability to completely dominate the game and impose his will is Jason Kidd, but he no longer has the ability to do so because he is too old.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/14/sports/basketball/nba-playoffs-knicks-carmelo-anthony-says-hell-be-more-aggressive.html?ref=sports

Like Chucago did. Like Boston did. Indy is not openly doubling Melo. They wait until he makes his move and then one and two guys are dropping to assist in the paint. They have little to no fear that Melo will dish out to the open guys on the perimeter. Instead he is working to hard. Forcing shots in traffic, battling for his ow boards and then forcing again. The result is 39% shooting and a bunch of Knicks standing around watching. Melo needs to recognize this and adjust. Several times he has and other times he has fallen back on his habits.

If he starts kicking it out his offense will be easier. Guys will be catching in rhythm as the ball swings. Our threes will start falling again. Indy will stop crashing into the paint. The lane will open the guards will be able to penetrate. It starts with Melo not the other way around. He's the star

Knicks are down 2-1. Our star, all star, super star, ba-bomb, gay robot... whatever you think Melo is the fact is he's shooting 39% for these playoffs, and in games Knicks have lost he's shot:
10-35
8-24
10-28
6-16
Thats NOT a poor supporting cast. Thats NOT too tough a matchup against a team that goes onto win a title. Thats NOT bad coaching. Thats a player jacking shot after shot after shot and missing and hurting their team.

So pretty please, with sugar on top.... put the phucking ball in the basket.

Love how Melo's fanboys talk about his greatness and this is Melo's team in April when things are good, but then its Kidd, Chandler, Prigo, MDA and Gallo's fault when we go back to playing .500 ball and he's shooting 39%. Its so old. I probably check in here once a day and post even less after hammering away on this site for ten years. The same crap just get regurgitated by the same donkees over and over again. Obviously Im just another internet Melo hater unable to see his greatness through the fog of 39% shooting when the games are the most inportant

Im just waiting to see something worth seeing, something great. Something like what he was brought here for (aside from selling jerseys when in Dolan's mind he's already a champ). Like Melo LEADS us to three wins in a row against these Pacers. Or he could just jack shots, we lose and discuss all offseason how we cant win with Prigo, or how its not fair to MElo that Felton went cold or some such crap.

Fingers crossed. Go Knicks. Catch you folks tomorrow.

jrodmc wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

3G4G wrote:lol @ these threads.....wasn't an identical thread made last series and since he played like trash for the most part up pops another one of these threads.

Next person to Lol at a thread that the Bip starts will be banned forever and quite possibly thrown in jail for treason. Go ahead and try me

The intern comes out of retirement and tries to hoist his pathetic post count one thread at a time. It is to laugh. Laugh Laugh Laugh Point Point Point

Please try fixing the 10 year old search function mystery, Mr. Intern, before making empty threats right before you retire to some softer, happier board. Again.
Nice to know worms always come out after it rains. Or when the playoffs go beyond the second round.

Cool stuff indeed.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:This is the most important game of his Knicks' career but the previous 2 years still count and are part of whatever legacy he leaves. You don't get a reset button every year.

Holy gay robot moment. "His career will be made up by his career." Jesus, you add all the good stuff to threads.

You can't differentiate between the last 2 years and a second round series moment that may either send the team packing or build momentum towards ECF?

Holy rude moderator moment IMO.
Insulting gay people isn't cool either.
Every season can be differentiated from past seasons (and I did so in my post actually). Your question makes no sense.

Bonnie, are you out?

I am heterosexual and have an attractive girlfriend.
I don't appreciate being called gay and don't think it's right to use the word gay as an insult though.

Uncle Nalod, this is how you defend our sponsor and demigod?

Bonn, we both know one girlfriend is hardly a large enough sample size to establish a clear cut case for heterosexuality. Try getting married (the normal, traditional way) and have children. Then we will all know you are not what you don't appreciate. I'm sure Mr. Collins had attactive girlfriends. And probably still does. It's not foundational and iron-clad, but it's better than one attractive girlfriend.

Gay people are not a people group. They are men and women who happen to have a particular sexual preference. Why they feel the need to be identified as such is beyond any coherent, logical explanation. I make fun of people who like hockey. Does that make me a bad person? It's a preference. I like anchovies, people make fun of me. Should I sue for my civil rights?

Melo was a first round loser.
Melo is now in the second round.
Who were the Pacers (including Mr. Earth Wind and Fire Hibbert) talking and mumbling about in Game 2's beat down? Why it was Mr. Melo!

Every game is a legacy game for Melo. He does well, and ah, that's what he gets paid for. He scores 30 and 40 on the way to 13 in a row and the second round, and he's an inefficient chucker.
The man's given us hope and change. If you're not down with that, or haven't realized it, look around.

It's May and we're still posting about actual games.

And there's more to play!

Now like fishmike says, someone step up and tell me that it's actually all about Ray Felton.
Or that the whole regular season was about JKidd.
Maybe Priggs is the actual star of this team.
But that was after Krazy Eyes saved our franchise.
Or maybe it's still KMart, yeah, he's the key to our Knicks existence!
Or maybe our newest Offensive Genius, Tyson!

Anyone but that fat smiley boy.

"Gay Robot": Old snit joke. Meant no harm Bonn, we good. Metro and with a women is ok in my book. Keep those nose hairs in line, T's neatly folded in the drawer and the bathroom clean. Chicks dig a man who knows his way around the kitchen! Im not kidding BTW.

Rrodmc, lets keep it topical instead of personal. NO need to harp on Bip, or anyoine to elevate your status.

Back to the business at hand.............

If FluTysons is calling out his Denver exile's for more ball movemen, if not then the gig is up. Minister of propoganda will likly admonish and schedule him for re-education but when it boils over into the media its an issue. Follow the game plan and if you do and GET BEAT then hold your head up. If you go down because the star got pressure to perform, then its a slow burn.

Really we got a youthier 3 seed against the oldest team in the history of the NBA lead by low % Batman and his low IQ orphan sidekick who is melting before our eyes both physically and mentally.

When the going gets tough, the tough smile, punch fire extinguish's, get the flu, get with a Succubus, or flat out suck!

Give Indy credit as they are a tough matchup for us. David West is putting a hurt on Batman and we have no bigs who can hit a mid range shot except Camby. Camby really has turned back the clock reverting back to his fragile Gothom verison. When all faith is on Tyson taking 15 foot jump shots all is on the verge.

Why is Melo guarding west?

Cuz Amare isn't!

PLayoff time, when the weakness is exposed.

Injuries, Mental softness, Rihanna's charms, and age are all exposed in time.

One game to turn the series around.

Time to shine. Starlight, starbright first starphuch I see tonite!

"Coming Home"!

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

3G4G wrote:lol @ these threads.....wasn't an identical thread made last series and since he played like trash for the most part up pops another one of these threads.

Next person to Lol at a thread that the Bip starts will be banned forever and quite possibly thrown in jail for treason. Go ahead and try me

The intern comes out of retirement and tries to hoist his pathetic post count one thread at a time. It is to laugh. Laugh Laugh Laugh Point Point Point

Please try fixing the 10 year old search function mystery, Mr. Intern, before making empty threats right before you retire to some softer, happier board. Again.
Nice to know worms always come out after it rains. Or when the playoffs go beyond the second round.

Cool stuff indeed.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:This is the most important game of his Knicks' career but the previous 2 years still count and are part of whatever legacy he leaves. You don't get a reset button every year.

Holy gay robot moment. "His career will be made up by his career." Jesus, you add all the good stuff to threads.

You can't differentiate between the last 2 years and a second round series moment that may either send the team packing or build momentum towards ECF?

Holy rude moderator moment IMO.
Insulting gay people isn't cool either.
Every season can be differentiated from past seasons (and I did so in my post actually). Your question makes no sense.

Bonnie, are you out?

I am heterosexual and have an attractive girlfriend.
I don't appreciate being called gay and don't think it's right to use the word gay as an insult though.

Uncle Nalod, this is how you defend our sponsor and demigod?

Bonn, we both know one girlfriend is hardly a large enough sample size to establish a clear cut case for heterosexuality. Try getting married (the normal, traditional way) and have children. Then we will all know you are not what you don't appreciate. I'm sure Mr. Collins had attactive girlfriends. And probably still does. It's not foundational and iron-clad, but it's better than one attractive girlfriend.

Gay people are not a people group. They are men and women who happen to have a particular sexual preference. Why they feel the need to be identified as such is beyond any coherent, logical explanation. I make fun of people who like hockey. Does that make me a bad person? It's a preference. I like anchovies, people make fun of me. Should I sue for my civil rights?

Melo was a first round loser.
Melo is now in the second round.
Who were the Pacers (including Mr. Earth Wind and Fire Hibbert) talking and mumbling about in Game 2's beat down? Why it was Mr. Melo!

Every game is a legacy game for Melo. He does well, and ah, that's what he gets paid for. He scores 30 and 40 on the way to 13 in a row and the second round, and he's an inefficient chucker.
The man's given us hope and change. If you're not down with that, or haven't realized it, look around.

It's May and we're still posting about actual games.

And there's more to play!

Now like fishmike says, someone step up and tell me that it's actually all about Ray Felton.
Or that the whole regular season was about JKidd.
Maybe Priggs is the actual star of this team.
But that was after Krazy Eyes saved our franchise.
Or maybe it's still KMart, yeah, he's the key to our Knicks existence!
Or maybe our newest Offensive Genius, Tyson!

Anyone but that fat smiley boy.

"Gay Robot": Old snit joke. Meant no harm Bonn, we good. Metro and with a women is ok in my book. Keep those nose hairs in line, T's neatly folded in the drawer and the bathroom clean. Chicks dig a man who knows his way around the kitchen! Im not kidding BTW.

Rrodmc, lets keep it topical instead of personal. NO need to harp on Bip, or anyoine to elevate your status.

Back to the business at hand.............

If FluTysons is calling out his Denver exile's for more ball movemen, if not then the gig is up. Minister of propoganda will likly admonish and schedule him for re-education but when it boils over into the media its an issue. Follow the game plan and if you do and GET BEAT then hold your head up. If you go down because the star got pressure to perform, then its a slow burn.

Really we got a youthier 3 seed against the oldest team in the history of the NBA lead by low % Batman and his low IQ orphan sidekick who is melting before our eyes both physically and mentally.

When the going gets tough, the tough smile, punch fire extinguish's, get the flu, get with a Succubus, or flat out suck!

Give Indy credit as they are a tough matchup for us. David West is putting a hurt on Batman and we have no bigs who can hit a mid range shot except Camby. Camby really has turned back the clock reverting back to his fragile Gothom verison. When all faith is on Tyson taking 15 foot jump shots all is on the verge.

Why is Melo guarding west?

Cuz Amare isn't!

PLayoff time, when the weakness is exposed.

Injuries, Mental softness, Rihanna's charms, and age are all exposed in time.

One game to turn the series around.

Time to shine. Starlight, starbright first starphuch I see tonite!

"Coming Home"!

8 years ago gay jokes were cool and I also was more tolerant of disrespect. No grudges. Except for Martin, you guys all stopped using the term years ago here.

It got old and we all grew up a bit. I think Martin just was having little fun. Don't forget, you had some funny posts back in the day that suggested some things. Not that there is anything wrong!

We have an openly gay NBA player but none on the UK.

NObody is being hostile toward any race, cred, color or sexual preference.

When we lose our humor we are all toast.

Keep banging away them co-eds and have some fun!

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

3G4G wrote:lol @ these threads.....wasn't an identical thread made last series and since he played like trash for the most part up pops another one of these threads.

Next person to Lol at a thread that the Bip starts will be banned forever and quite possibly thrown in jail for treason. Go ahead and try me

The intern comes out of retirement and tries to hoist his pathetic post count one thread at a time. It is to laugh. Laugh Laugh Laugh Point Point Point

Please try fixing the 10 year old search function mystery, Mr. Intern, before making empty threats right before you retire to some softer, happier board. Again.
Nice to know worms always come out after it rains. Or when the playoffs go beyond the second round.

Cool stuff indeed.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:This is the most important game of his Knicks' career but the previous 2 years still count and are part of whatever legacy he leaves. You don't get a reset button every year.

Holy gay robot moment. "His career will be made up by his career." Jesus, you add all the good stuff to threads.

You can't differentiate between the last 2 years and a second round series moment that may either send the team packing or build momentum towards ECF?

Holy rude moderator moment IMO.
Insulting gay people isn't cool either.
Every season can be differentiated from past seasons (and I did so in my post actually). Your question makes no sense.

Bonnie, are you out?

I am heterosexual and have an attractive girlfriend.
I don't appreciate being called gay and don't think it's right to use the word gay as an insult though.

Uncle Nalod, this is how you defend our sponsor and demigod?

Bonn, we both know one girlfriend is hardly a large enough sample size to establish a clear cut case for heterosexuality. Try getting married (the normal, traditional way) and have children. Then we will all know you are not what you don't appreciate. I'm sure Mr. Collins had attactive girlfriends. And probably still does. It's not foundational and iron-clad, but it's better than one attractive girlfriend.

Gay people are not a people group. They are men and women who happen to have a particular sexual preference. Why they feel the need to be identified as such is beyond any coherent, logical explanation. I make fun of people who like hockey. Does that make me a bad person? It's a preference. I like anchovies, people make fun of me. Should I sue for my civil rights?

Melo was a first round loser.
Melo is now in the second round.
Who were the Pacers (including Mr. Earth Wind and Fire Hibbert) talking and mumbling about in Game 2's beat down? Why it was Mr. Melo!

Every game is a legacy game for Melo. He does well, and ah, that's what he gets paid for. He scores 30 and 40 on the way to 13 in a row and the second round, and he's an inefficient chucker.
The man's given us hope and change. If you're not down with that, or haven't realized it, look around.

It's May and we're still posting about actual games.

And there's more to play!

Now like fishmike says, someone step up and tell me that it's actually all about Ray Felton.
Or that the whole regular season was about JKidd.
Maybe Priggs is the actual star of this team.
But that was after Krazy Eyes saved our franchise.
Or maybe it's still KMart, yeah, he's the key to our Knicks existence!
Or maybe our newest Offensive Genius, Tyson!

Anyone but that fat smiley boy.

"Gay Robot": Old snit joke. Meant no harm Bonn, we good. Metro and with a women is ok in my book. Keep those nose hairs in line, T's neatly folded in the drawer and the bathroom clean. Chicks dig a man who knows his way around the kitchen! Im not kidding BTW.

Rrodmc, lets keep it topical instead of personal. NO need to harp on Bip, or anyoine to elevate your status.

I notice you missed the last half of my post, which was all topical, and less filling. I know it's single spaced, but isn't it time to invest in the new reading glasses?

I look forward to listening to tonight's contest with great enthusiasm.