holfresh wrote:

Solace wrote:

tkf wrote:

Solace wrote:The only way it happens if the Clippers become convinced Chris Paul is leaving and they are left with the options of trading him and getting something or letting him sign elsewhere and getting nothing. I don't see it happening, but I guess it's possible.

If it were, I don't know what package we could give for him. Ray Felton + Iman Shumpert + two second rounders + two way future first rounders on alternate years + throwaway contracts. I don't know if we really have the assets to get it done. I'm assuming we're not trading Melo, Chandler, Kidd. They probably wouldn't take Amar'e. JR is a free agent, so even knows if he could be included. Very doubtful we could work out something. Not to mention, we'd get destroyed in luxury tax if we go any higher.

That won't get it done... honestly Felton and shumpert alone probably can't get you his backup Bledsoe.... plus our future picks will have to be so far in the future I am not sure that the clippers would even consider.. we just don't have the assets to do it.. you can't keep spending assets and expect to pull of deals like this... First of all I am sure Sterling is going to do whatever he can to keep paul and if he trades him, I am sure he is looking for allstar type talent... young allstar talent..

for example.. Paul george and george hill for chris paul

Dru Holliday and Evan Turner plus a first round pick...which would be lottery for the sixers..

that kind of talent is needed to get it done....

Exactly. I agree. That's what I was saying. That would be our best offer and it's still not enough. The only way they would trade anything to us is if they were desperate because he wanted to leave so badly that they felt he would sign with a team that has cap room over staying. That's extremely unlikely.

The Clippers are not in the driver's seat to demand anything...Paul is not under contract...They would do a sign a trade to get some value back for losing him but certainly not equal value...Paul could walk and take less years...Clipped would have to run with Bledsoe who many here tout as being good..This board like high jumpers...

lol....The Clipper's are in the driver seat as they can pay CP3 the most money, even in a S&T.....

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:But why would they trade a guy who's been inconsistent for one season for a guy who's been inconsistent for multiple seasons and makes almost 3X as much?

I don't think Amar'e has been inconsistent per say. He's been injured, which has made it difficult for him to establish chemistry with Carmelo. At the same time, he's still capable of putting up 20ppg and 8rpg on 50%+ shooting. He looked pretty good this season, however short it may have been. That Amar'e is far better than Ilyasova and is also a leader, which that Bucks team lacks.

VCoug wrote:No, any Early Bird/Bird free agent creates a cap hold for his team based on his last contract. We would have to renounce our rights to him and try to resign him using the tax-payer MLE. But, teams that use the tax-payer MLE aren't allowed to perform sign-and-trades, it's either/or.

The trade I proposed saves the Knicks $5 million. So if the trade was made as proposed, it would actually take us below the luxury tax threshold at about $69 million. With the cap hold, it would put us at about $73 million, which is still below the $74 million apron. What then?

It might work but we'd still be losing JR.

VCoug wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:But why would they trade a guy who's been inconsistent for one season for a guy who's been inconsistent for multiple seasons and makes almost 3X as much?

I don't think Amar'e has been inconsistent per say. He's been injured, which has made it difficult for him to establish chemistry with Carmelo. At the same time, he's still capable of putting up 20ppg and 8rpg on 50%+ shooting. He looked pretty good this season, however short it may have been. That Amar'e is far better than Ilyasova and is also a leader, which that Bucks team lacks.

VCoug wrote:No, any Early Bird/Bird free agent creates a cap hold for his team based on his last contract. We would have to renounce our rights to him and try to resign him using the tax-payer MLE. But, teams that use the tax-payer MLE aren't allowed to perform sign-and-trades, it's either/or.

The trade I proposed saves the Knicks $5 million. So if the trade was made as proposed, it would actually take us below the luxury tax threshold at about $69 million. With the cap hold, it would put us at about $73 million, which is still below the $74 million apron. What then?

It might work but we'd still be losing JR.

For possible trade scenarios with STAT, my safest bet would be to contact the teams who hasn't used their amnesty. A team going cheap could "make bank" easily by trading for STAT and amnestying him. That's about it for STAT value wise IMO. I've lost all possible faith in his knees.

Would love for him to be healthy, but even then, a lot of people are arguing that he still doesn't improve our team.

Bonn1997 wrote:

skeng wrote:

VCoug wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:But why would they trade a guy who's been inconsistent for one season for a guy who's been inconsistent for multiple seasons and makes almost 3X as much?

I don't think Amar'e has been inconsistent per say. He's been injured, which has made it difficult for him to establish chemistry with Carmelo. At the same time, he's still capable of putting up 20ppg and 8rpg on 50%+ shooting. He looked pretty good this season, however short it may have been. That Amar'e is far better than Ilyasova and is also a leader, which that Bucks team lacks.

VCoug wrote:No, any Early Bird/Bird free agent creates a cap hold for his team based on his last contract. We would have to renounce our rights to him and try to resign him using the tax-payer MLE. But, teams that use the tax-payer MLE aren't allowed to perform sign-and-trades, it's either/or.

The trade I proposed saves the Knicks $5 million. So if the trade was made as proposed, it would actually take us below the luxury tax threshold at about $69 million. With the cap hold, it would put us at about $73 million, which is still below the $74 million apron. What then?

It might work but we'd still be losing JR.

For possible trade scenarios with STAT, my safest bet would be to contact the teams who hasn't used their amnesty. A team going cheap could "make bank" easily by trading for STAT and amnestying him. That's about it for STAT value wise IMO. I've lost all possible faith in his knees.

Would love for him to be healthy, but even then, a lot of people are arguing that he still doesn't improve our team.

You can only amnesty a player you signed before the most recent CBA, not a player you trade for after the CBA.

oh man, thanks for clearing that up Bonn. I was on a good roll thinking of trade scenarios..

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Solace wrote:

tkf wrote:

Solace wrote:The only way it happens if the Clippers become convinced Chris Paul is leaving and they are left with the options of trading him and getting something or letting him sign elsewhere and getting nothing. I don't see it happening, but I guess it's possible.

If it were, I don't know what package we could give for him. Ray Felton + Iman Shumpert + two second rounders + two way future first rounders on alternate years + throwaway contracts. I don't know if we really have the assets to get it done. I'm assuming we're not trading Melo, Chandler, Kidd. They probably wouldn't take Amar'e. JR is a free agent, so even knows if he could be included. Very doubtful we could work out something. Not to mention, we'd get destroyed in luxury tax if we go any higher.

That won't get it done... honestly Felton and shumpert alone probably can't get you his backup Bledsoe.... plus our future picks will have to be so far in the future I am not sure that the clippers would even consider.. we just don't have the assets to do it.. you can't keep spending assets and expect to pull of deals like this... First of all I am sure Sterling is going to do whatever he can to keep paul and if he trades him, I am sure he is looking for allstar type talent... young allstar talent..

for example.. Paul george and george hill for chris paul

Dru Holliday and Evan Turner plus a first round pick...which would be lottery for the sixers..

that kind of talent is needed to get it done....

Exactly. I agree. That's what I was saying. That would be our best offer and it's still not enough. The only way they would trade anything to us is if they were desperate because he wanted to leave so badly that they felt he would sign with a team that has cap room over staying. That's extremely unlikely.

The Clippers are not in the driver's seat to demand anything...Paul is not under contract...They would do a sign a trade to get some value back for losing him but certainly not equal value...Paul could walk and take less years...Clipped would have to run with Bledsoe who many here tout as being good..This board like high jumpers...

lol....The Clipper's are in the driver seat as they can pay CP3 the most money, even in a S&T.....

CP3 is deciding whether or not to resign with the Clippers...How are they in the drivers seat...I honestly believe Paul will think about this one..I think he wants a shot at a ring...Drivers are ones making the decisions...

VCoug wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:But why would they trade a guy who's been inconsistent for one season for a guy who's been inconsistent for multiple seasons and makes almost 3X as much?

I don't think Amar'e has been inconsistent per say. He's been injured, which has made it difficult for him to establish chemistry with Carmelo. At the same time, he's still capable of putting up 20ppg and 8rpg on 50%+ shooting. He looked pretty good this season, however short it may have been. That Amar'e is far better than Ilyasova and is also a leader, which that Bucks team lacks.

VCoug wrote:No, any Early Bird/Bird free agent creates a cap hold for his team based on his last contract. We would have to renounce our rights to him and try to resign him using the tax-payer MLE. But, teams that use the tax-payer MLE aren't allowed to perform sign-and-trades, it's either/or.

The trade I proposed saves the Knicks $5 million. So if the trade was made as proposed, it would actually take us below the luxury tax threshold at about $69 million. With the cap hold, it would put us at about $73 million, which is still below the $74 million apron. What then?

It might work but we'd still be losing JR.

Timeout! The Knicks can theoretically make a trade with the Clippers as soon as they are out the playoffs. And since neither Paul's or JR's contract expires until July 1st, we wouldn't be doing a sign and trade but a regular trade.

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Solace wrote:

tkf wrote:

Solace wrote:The only way it happens if the Clippers become convinced Chris Paul is leaving and they are left with the options of trading him and getting something or letting him sign elsewhere and getting nothing. I don't see it happening, but I guess it's possible.

If it were, I don't know what package we could give for him. Ray Felton + Iman Shumpert + two second rounders + two way future first rounders on alternate years + throwaway contracts. I don't know if we really have the assets to get it done. I'm assuming we're not trading Melo, Chandler, Kidd. They probably wouldn't take Amar'e. JR is a free agent, so even knows if he could be included. Very doubtful we could work out something. Not to mention, we'd get destroyed in luxury tax if we go any higher.

That won't get it done... honestly Felton and shumpert alone probably can't get you his backup Bledsoe.... plus our future picks will have to be so far in the future I am not sure that the clippers would even consider.. we just don't have the assets to do it.. you can't keep spending assets and expect to pull of deals like this... First of all I am sure Sterling is going to do whatever he can to keep paul and if he trades him, I am sure he is looking for allstar type talent... young allstar talent..

for example.. Paul george and george hill for chris paul

Dru Holliday and Evan Turner plus a first round pick...which would be lottery for the sixers..

that kind of talent is needed to get it done....

Exactly. I agree. That's what I was saying. That would be our best offer and it's still not enough. The only way they would trade anything to us is if they were desperate because he wanted to leave so badly that they felt he would sign with a team that has cap room over staying. That's extremely unlikely.

The Clippers are not in the driver's seat to demand anything...Paul is not under contract...They would do a sign a trade to get some value back for losing him but certainly not equal value...Paul could walk and take less years...Clipped would have to run with Bledsoe who many here tout as being good..This board like high jumpers...

lol....The Clipper's are in the driver seat as they can pay CP3 the most money, even in a S&T.....

CP3 is deciding whether or not to resign with the Clippers...How are they in the drivers seat...I honestly believe Paul will think about this one..I think he wants a shot at a ring...Drivers are ones making the decisions...

I think they are in the driver's seat because he makes an extra 25 million if he resigns there. Similar to DWil who I think would have left if the money wasn't so discrepant.

But it's not up to them where he plays...They have no more decisions to make if he decides to walk which he could do...To be clear, Knicks don't have a shot but CP3...I think he will consider going elsewhere and the 25 mil won't be the deciding factor...

yellowboy90 wrote:You can't trade stat all you can do is hope he can stay healthy a full year and continue to progress as a low post player. Hopefully his jump shot comes back too. Then you have to hope that with a complete off-season together everyone can gel together. Hopefully as a 25-30 min guy you can prolong STAT playing career.

As for Paul. The only way he comes is if he takes less money and force the Clips hand of a sign and trade. However, the knicks can't sign and trade without getting under the tax. So who to trade to a third team? Chandler, nope we need to work with Paul. You need the assets you would trade to get Paul.

You can trade anyone in the league. The question is if you'd be willing to take back whatever is being offered in return. I personally think we'd have a shot at interesting Milwaukee in Amare because they seem desperate to build a winner and shown to be willing to take on high priced gambles in the past.

Another team I think that would be interested in Amare's services would be the Nets. First off, Billy King is an idiot and has no sense for a player's market value (see the following signings: Travis Outlaw, Gerald Wallace (the trade and re-signing), Jordan Farmer, Johan Petro, Kenny Thomas, Glen Robinson, Willie Green and the list goes on). The guy would make Isiah Thomas blush. Second, the luxury tax does not seem to phase Prokhorov, which has locked them in luxury tax hell. They took on Joe Johnson's $20 million/yr contract for 16ppg, 3rpg and 4apg. Why not Amare's? It may not pay dividends on the court but plays into the rivalry between both teams, which resonates deep in fan bases and consequently his checkbook.

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Solace wrote:

tkf wrote:

Solace wrote:The only way it happens if the Clippers become convinced Chris Paul is leaving and they are left with the options of trading him and getting something or letting him sign elsewhere and getting nothing. I don't see it happening, but I guess it's possible.

If it were, I don't know what package we could give for him. Ray Felton + Iman Shumpert + two second rounders + two way future first rounders on alternate years + throwaway contracts. I don't know if we really have the assets to get it done. I'm assuming we're not trading Melo, Chandler, Kidd. They probably wouldn't take Amar'e. JR is a free agent, so even knows if he could be included. Very doubtful we could work out something. Not to mention, we'd get destroyed in luxury tax if we go any higher.

That won't get it done... honestly Felton and shumpert alone probably can't get you his backup Bledsoe.... plus our future picks will have to be so far in the future I am not sure that the clippers would even consider.. we just don't have the assets to do it.. you can't keep spending assets and expect to pull of deals like this... First of all I am sure Sterling is going to do whatever he can to keep paul and if he trades him, I am sure he is looking for allstar type talent... young allstar talent..

for example.. Paul george and george hill for chris paul

Dru Holliday and Evan Turner plus a first round pick...which would be lottery for the sixers..

that kind of talent is needed to get it done....

Exactly. I agree. That's what I was saying. That would be our best offer and it's still not enough. The only way they would trade anything to us is if they were desperate because he wanted to leave so badly that they felt he would sign with a team that has cap room over staying. That's extremely unlikely.

The Clippers are not in the driver's seat to demand anything...Paul is not under contract...They would do a sign a trade to get some value back for losing him but certainly not equal value...Paul could walk and take less years...Clipped would have to run with Bledsoe who many here tout as being good..This board like high jumpers...

lol....The Clipper's are in the driver seat as they can pay CP3 the most money, even in a S&T.....

CP3 is deciding whether or not to resign with the Clippers...How are they in the drivers seat...I honestly believe Paul will think about this one..I think he wants a shot at a ring...Drivers are ones making the decisions...

if he wants a ring, you would have to ask, why would he leave a clipper team that is younger, deeper and more talented than the knicks and a lot of other teams to be honest... I mean really, think about it, he could leave himself a nice window to win a ring if he stayed put....

First of all, the Knicks don't have any chance of getting CP3 so you can breathe easy...But CP3 will be past his prime by the time Blake and Jordan figures out how to dominate if they ever do...But all things being equal, he would have a better shot with Melo at 28 yrs old...Their window would be the next 5/6 years...