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tkf
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5/2/2013  3:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/2/2013  3:18 PM
jrodmc wrote:
tkf wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
tkf wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I will happily point to the fact we won three playoff games!

At least Melo plays in the playoffs, contrary to all those we traded away/let go.

Isn't that kind of irrelevant?

Say was lose in 7 and Denver loses in 6, you think that it matters?

Denver loses after winning 57 games might sting for its fans, but this ain't about them, its about Knicks.

Is it irrelevant to all the "All we've got to show for Melo is one playoff win" posts? The man shows up. Three years running. Melo don't need no fuhhucking percentages.

What's irrelevant is Denver. Denver is irrelevant. Gallo is irrelevant. Moz is irrelevant. I could say Wilson is irrelevant, but I don't have the ambition required to go look up his impact on their series so far.

I am a Knicks fan. I love our Starphuqched Mooby and all his bully ball killer quarters BK channeling talent. Beats the crap out of spending my life wondering how to pay Faried to stay in nowhere land. IMHO.

have you ever watched king play? he shot over 50% he may be channeling Burger king.. but not Bernard king... sorry bro.. not sure why that comparison keeps coming up....

Watched King several times, and watched both of the back to backs in their beautiful entirety. You don't see similarities or any basis for comparison because you're blinded watching Italy's brightest son.

Explain to me, even as a registered hater, who was the last bonafide scoring champion we had? I suppose you can remind me of lots of people on the knicks scoring 30-40 regularly? I forget...

Ease up tkf. Your personal demon hasn't blown the series yet.


don't you see where your problem is.. you are more concerned with me liking gallo than trying to make a valid point... he is nothing like Bernard king

who was the last bonafide scoring champion we had?

as a so called KNICK fan, why would that matter? we haven't won a title in 40 years, that is more important than some chucker who shoots low 40% and doesn't defend or pass... it is empty.. taking 35 shots to get 35 points.. if that floats your boat, then fine... but As knick fans, we should strive for more than that.. hero worship leave very little room for objectivity bro....

Hate leaves very little objectivity, either buddy.
How many chips did BK win? WTF are you talking about? Striving requirements? Shooting %? And your buddy's over there giving dance lessons in the other response.

Rather than completely change the subject, why don't you respond to the points I made?

The valid topic is comparison to BK. The valid points would be, where are the two players comparable as Knicks. Stick to the topic, you'll live longer.
Scoring champion.
Prolific scorer.
Tremendous finisher.
Bona fide star.
#1 option for the team.

Dispute them please. Then you might start making sense.


again, you can't stay on topic... Not having a ring doesn't make carmelo any better of a comparison to bernard king....

Scoring champion.
Prolific scorer.
Tremendous finisher.
Bona fide star.
#1 option for the team.

Bernard also averaged over 30ppg as scoring champion
respected around the league
career 52% shooter from the field
55% shooter from the field in the playoffs as a knick.. 10-35 isn't going to cut it bro..

and lets get this clear.. the only bonafide star here is Bernard
The only tremendous finisher here is Bernard

#1 option for the team.. LOL.. heck many knicks held that title... lol

again, when I watch carmelo the very last thing I see is Bernard king.. I mean when will the ridiculousness stop?

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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5/2/2013  3:25 PM
tkf wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
tkf wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
tkf wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I will happily point to the fact we won three playoff games!

At least Melo plays in the playoffs, contrary to all those we traded away/let go.

Isn't that kind of irrelevant?

Say was lose in 7 and Denver loses in 6, you think that it matters?

Denver loses after winning 57 games might sting for its fans, but this ain't about them, its about Knicks.

Is it irrelevant to all the "All we've got to show for Melo is one playoff win" posts? The man shows up. Three years running. Melo don't need no fuhhucking percentages.

What's irrelevant is Denver. Denver is irrelevant. Gallo is irrelevant. Moz is irrelevant. I could say Wilson is irrelevant, but I don't have the ambition required to go look up his impact on their series so far.

I am a Knicks fan. I love our Starphuqched Mooby and all his bully ball killer quarters BK channeling talent. Beats the crap out of spending my life wondering how to pay Faried to stay in nowhere land. IMHO.

have you ever watched king play? he shot over 50% he may be channeling Burger king.. but not Bernard king... sorry bro.. not sure why that comparison keeps coming up....

Watched King several times, and watched both of the back to backs in their beautiful entirety. You don't see similarities or any basis for comparison because you're blinded watching Italy's brightest son.

Explain to me, even as a registered hater, who was the last bonafide scoring champion we had? I suppose you can remind me of lots of people on the knicks scoring 30-40 regularly? I forget...

Ease up tkf. Your personal demon hasn't blown the series yet.


don't you see where your problem is.. you are more concerned with me liking gallo than trying to make a valid point... he is nothing like Bernard king

who was the last bonafide scoring champion we had?

as a so called KNICK fan, why would that matter? we haven't won a title in 40 years, that is more important than some chucker who shoots low 40% and doesn't defend or pass... it is empty.. taking 35 shots to get 35 points.. if that floats your boat, then fine... but As knick fans, we should strive for more than that.. hero worship leave very little room for objectivity bro....

Hate leaves very little objectivity, either buddy.
How many chips did BK win? WTF are you talking about? Striving requirements? Shooting %? And your buddy's over there giving dance lessons in the other response.

Rather than completely change the subject, why don't you respond to the points I made?

The valid topic is comparison to BK. The valid points would be, where are the two players comparable as Knicks. Stick to the topic, you'll live longer.
Scoring champion.
Prolific scorer.
Tremendous finisher.
Bona fide star.
#1 option for the team.

Dispute them please. Then you might start making sense.


again, you can't stay on topic... Not having a ring doesn't make carmelo any better of a comparison to bernard king....

Scoring champion.
Prolific scorer.
Tremendous finisher.
Bona fide star.
#1 option for the team.

Bernard also averaged over 30ppg as scoring champion
respected around the league
career 52% shooter from the field

and lets get this clear.. the only bonafide star here is Bernard
The only tremendous finisher here is Bernard

#1 option for the team.. LOL.. heck many knicks held that title... lol

again, when I watch carmelo the very last thing I see is Bernard king.. I mean when will the ridiculousness stop?

So...you once again can't respond intelligently, so you spout things that make little sense to anyone but you.
Once again, you can't respond to simple, basic questions. Sounds like you have a little hero worship thing going on based on shooting %.
Tell me, do you get excited when you see Artis Gilmore's stat line?

Respected around the league? You have a respect-o-metric you're referring to, I suppose? Melo's been described several times as one of the toughest covers in the league.
By little people like Kobe and Lebron.

Again, when you see Carmelo, you see nothing. Your last sentence at least makes a point. Hopefully you apply it to yourself.

Carry on.
Tell me how BK's foul shooting technique was better, or that he didn't wear a stupid headband.

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5/2/2013  3:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/2/2013  3:32 PM
jrodmc wrote:
tkf wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
tkf wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
tkf wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I will happily point to the fact we won three playoff games!

At least Melo plays in the playoffs, contrary to all those we traded away/let go.

Isn't that kind of irrelevant?

Say was lose in 7 and Denver loses in 6, you think that it matters?

Denver loses after winning 57 games might sting for its fans, but this ain't about them, its about Knicks.

Is it irrelevant to all the "All we've got to show for Melo is one playoff win" posts? The man shows up. Three years running. Melo don't need no fuhhucking percentages.

What's irrelevant is Denver. Denver is irrelevant. Gallo is irrelevant. Moz is irrelevant. I could say Wilson is irrelevant, but I don't have the ambition required to go look up his impact on their series so far.

I am a Knicks fan. I love our Starphuqched Mooby and all his bully ball killer quarters BK channeling talent. Beats the crap out of spending my life wondering how to pay Faried to stay in nowhere land. IMHO.

have you ever watched king play? he shot over 50% he may be channeling Burger king.. but not Bernard king... sorry bro.. not sure why that comparison keeps coming up....

Watched King several times, and watched both of the back to backs in their beautiful entirety. You don't see similarities or any basis for comparison because you're blinded watching Italy's brightest son.

Explain to me, even as a registered hater, who was the last bonafide scoring champion we had? I suppose you can remind me of lots of people on the knicks scoring 30-40 regularly? I forget...

Ease up tkf. Your personal demon hasn't blown the series yet.


don't you see where your problem is.. you are more concerned with me liking gallo than trying to make a valid point... he is nothing like Bernard king

who was the last bonafide scoring champion we had?

as a so called KNICK fan, why would that matter? we haven't won a title in 40 years, that is more important than some chucker who shoots low 40% and doesn't defend or pass... it is empty.. taking 35 shots to get 35 points.. if that floats your boat, then fine... but As knick fans, we should strive for more than that.. hero worship leave very little room for objectivity bro....

Hate leaves very little objectivity, either buddy.
How many chips did BK win? WTF are you talking about? Striving requirements? Shooting %? And your buddy's over there giving dance lessons in the other response.

Rather than completely change the subject, why don't you respond to the points I made?

The valid topic is comparison to BK. The valid points would be, where are the two players comparable as Knicks. Stick to the topic, you'll live longer.
Scoring champion.
Prolific scorer.
Tremendous finisher.
Bona fide star.
#1 option for the team.

Dispute them please. Then you might start making sense.


again, you can't stay on topic... Not having a ring doesn't make carmelo any better of a comparison to bernard king....

Scoring champion.
Prolific scorer.
Tremendous finisher.
Bona fide star.
#1 option for the team.

Bernard also averaged over 30ppg as scoring champion
respected around the league
career 52% shooter from the field

and lets get this clear.. the only bonafide star here is Bernard
The only tremendous finisher here is Bernard

#1 option for the team.. LOL.. heck many knicks held that title... lol

again, when I watch carmelo the very last thing I see is Bernard king.. I mean when will the ridiculousness stop?

So...you once again can't respond intelligently, so you spout things that make little sense to anyone but you.
Once again, you can't respond to simple, basic questions. Sounds like you have a little hero worship thing going on based on shooting %.
Tell me, do you get excited when you see Artis Gilmore's stat line?

Respected around the league? You have a respect-o-metric you're referring to, I suppose? Melo's been described several times as one of the toughest covers in the league.
By little people like Kobe and Lebron.

Again, when you see Carmelo, you see nothing. Your last sentence at least makes a point. Hopefully you apply it to yourself.

Carry on.
Tell me how BK's foul shooting technique was better, or that he didn't wear a stupid headband.

I have responded with the level of intelligence that you have brought to the table, anything more and I am afraid I will lose you..

just think this. Derrick coleman and Glen Robinson, those are guys carmelo are comparable to...

And stop trying to discount shooting percentage, as if that is useless that is what seperates the greats from the wannabees.....

I mean do you really enjoy 10-35 and 8-24 shooting performances? that is a combined 18-59 from the field......

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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5/2/2013  3:34 PM
I think its a fallacy to say who he's comparable to until he retires. I personally can't continue to support this guy if we don't win the NEXT game AND he has to lead us there instead of being a supporting character like the last 2games.
the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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5/2/2013  3:53 PM
jrodmc wrote:
Dagger wrote:
Nalod wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:If they blow this series,

you have to trade Melo for whatever you can get,

you fire Woodson and hire Mike Fratello,

you have to trade everyone

Basically you saying "panic"!

I'd say panic is a very appropriate response to what would be an unprecedented collapse in NBA history (no team has come back from 0-3). If we don't win the series I don't see how people can root for Melo anymore. Two seeds beat 7 seeds, that's the way it is. Blowing this series would be a CATASTROPHIC FAILURE that we could not live down until we won a championship, and even then the Knicks would forever be known as "that" team, the team that blew a 3-0 series lead. I haven't given up, there is still more basketball to be played, but I'm all for blowing it up if this year results in such historic incompetence.

Obviously, you're not a Yankee fan. Been there, done that. And guess what? I'm still a Yankee fan. The Yankees are still hated, an lo and behold, we went on to win another World Series, and Boston wound up with the Bobby Valentine's Day Fiasco in Team Mis-Management. See you in another 100 years.

Now, the Knicks are obviously not the Yankees, but please, typing CATASTROPHIC FAILURE doesn't mean the Knicks should all be exported to Turkey, and we should all start watching field hockey.

Things that would make you go Boom:
IT, and all that implies
Eddy Curry
Stephon Marbury
Larry Brown' roadside clown show
Not sniffing the playoffs
40 point losses
23 win seasons
Al Harrington single-handedly losing games by slapping backboards

Not things that make you go Boom:
Division lead, practically end to end
Division champ
2nd seed
Playoffs three years running
.300 to .600 ball
Interesting mix of weirdos, old folks and starphucques
Enough highlights to choke any number of Youtube [insert Knick] threads

No, I'm not a yankee fan, I'm a Met fan and I know failure when I see it. Baseball and basketball are not the same animal. It is a lot easier to beat a better team in baseball than it is basketball, and I don't believe the yankees collapse was unprecedented. Don't confuse my words, I will never give up on this team, but I will give up on Melo,. You can't honestly sit there and tell me you will be excited about making a "long run" in the playoffs next year if we lose this series. This is as catastrophic as it gets.

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5/2/2013  5:10 PM
if we lose this series, it will be hard for me to continue being a knick fan, this would be the last straw
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5/2/2013  6:02 PM
Its amazing that this series is continuing because of missed Free Throws. I mean all we had to do was hit 1 damn free throw at the end of Game 4 and this would have been a sweep and we would have been preparing for Round 2. Now we might be on teh verge on the biggest collapse in nba playoff history. You cant make this stuff up if you tried
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5/2/2013  6:20 PM
tkf wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I will happily point to the fact we won three playoff games!

At least Melo plays in the playoffs, contrary to all those we traded away/let go.

Isn't that kind of irrelevant?

Say was lose in 7 and Denver loses in 6, you think that it matters?

Denver loses after winning 57 games might sting for its fans, but this ain't about them, its about Knicks.

Is it irrelevant to all the "All we've got to show for Melo is one playoff win" posts? The man shows up. Three years running. Melo don't need no fuhhucking percentages.

What's irrelevant is Denver. Denver is irrelevant. Gallo is irrelevant. Moz is irrelevant. I could say Wilson is irrelevant, but I don't have the ambition required to go look up his impact on their series so far.

I am a Knicks fan. I love our Starphuqched Mooby and all his bully ball killer quarters BK channeling talent. Beats the crap out of spending my life wondering how to pay Faried to stay in nowhere land. IMHO.

have you ever watched king play? he shot over 50% he may be channeling Burger king.. but not Bernard king... sorry bro.. not sure why that comparison keeps coming up....

Melo and 50%, he doesn't have that in him. Melo is a good scorer but lets make no mistake he definetly is no Bernard King.

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5/2/2013  6:51 PM
dk7th wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
tkf wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I will happily point to the fact we won three playoff games!

At least Melo plays in the playoffs, contrary to all those we traded away/let go.

Isn't that kind of irrelevant?

Say was lose in 7 and Denver loses in 6, you think that it matters?

Denver loses after winning 57 games might sting for its fans, but this ain't about them, its about Knicks.

Is it irrelevant to all the "All we've got to show for Melo is one playoff win" posts? The man shows up. Three years running. Melo don't need no fuhhucking percentages.

What's irrelevant is Denver. Denver is irrelevant. Gallo is irrelevant. Moz is irrelevant. I could say Wilson is irrelevant, but I don't have the ambition required to go look up his impact on their series so far.

I am a Knicks fan. I love our Starphuqched Mooby and all his bully ball killer quarters BK channeling talent. Beats the crap out of spending my life wondering how to pay Faried to stay in nowhere land. IMHO.

have you ever watched king play? he shot over 50% he may be channeling Burger king.. but not Bernard king... sorry bro.. not sure why that comparison keeps coming up....

Watched King several times, and watched both of the back to backs in their beautiful entirety. You don't see similarities or any basis for comparison because you're blinded watching Italy's brightest son.

Explain to me, even as a registered hater, who was the last bonafide scoring champion we had? I suppose you can remind me of lots of people on the knicks scoring 30-40 regularly? I forget...

Ease up tkf. Your personal demon hasn't blown the series yet.

there is no comparison. bernard king was out of the league because of booze and god knows what else. he finally got the message and guess where he went: pete newell's big man's camp to work on his footwork. when he came back into the nba he was unstoppable because he had developed his footwork.

i have always criticized melo because his footwork is undeveloped. it holds him back truth be told. i had the same problem with ewing: undeveloped footwork held ewing back.

and speaking of truth, if you want to know what good footwork is, watch pierce play.

finally, guess where bron spent the summer? with newell's greatest student, hakeem.


Melo worked with Hakeem too (I feel like we had this conversation before). He didnt work the whole summer because of the Olympics though.
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5/2/2013  8:01 PM
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GustavBahler wrote:If they blow this I think Grunwald has do to his due diligence and make a run at Phil Jackson. I've said all season how Woodson does in the playoffs should determine whether or not he comes back. Its not about losing in the first round. Never had an arbitrary round that he has to get to. Its about how he loses. They lose after going up 3-0 is different than a hard fought 7 game series where no one is getting the upper hand. We had the upper hand, all we had to do was to quietly put them away. If he can't keep his team in check, we need to find someone who can.

No way I trade Melo over this. One of the best seasons a Knick ever had. Became a better defender, passer, teammate. J.R should be sent packing if this happens. We are as good as our record when the team plays smart and plays hard and keeps their traps shut. That hasn't happened lately. We do need more help in the paint and another PG who can take it to the rim as well as set up other teammates.

would love Phil as coach here.


Isn't Phil in line to become the team president for the Raptors or somebody?
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5/2/2013  8:08 PM
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Who The Hell Posted The Jacked Up Dude Pics In The Game 5 Thread?

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5/2/2013  8:24 PM
gunsnewing wrote:If that happens i expect an apology for getting killed for suggesting to blow this thing up at the deadline

Yeah, don't hold your breath.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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5/2/2013  9:35 PM
If we blow this series, I think listening to Colin Cowherd will be impossible forevermore....
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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5/2/2013  9:39 PM
Stay off this board until the draft.
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5/2/2013  9:57 PM
Solace wrote:If we blow this series, I think listening to Colin Cowherd will be impossible forevermore....

It isn't impossible already?

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5/2/2013  10:20 PM
Sangfroid wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:If they blow this I think Grunwald has do to his due diligence and make a run at Phil Jackson. I've said all season how Woodson does in the playoffs should determine whether or not he comes back. Its not about losing in the first round. Never had an arbitrary round that he has to get to. Its about how he loses. They lose after going up 3-0 is different than a hard fought 7 game series where no one is getting the upper hand. We had the upper hand, all we had to do was to quietly put them away. If he can't keep his team in check, we need to find someone who can.

No way I trade Melo over this. One of the best seasons a Knick ever had. Became a better defender, passer, teammate. J.R should be sent packing if this happens. We are as good as our record when the team plays smart and plays hard and keeps their traps shut. That hasn't happened lately. We do need more help in the paint and another PG who can take it to the rim as well as set up other teammates.

would love Phil as coach here.


Isn't Phil in line to become the team president for the Raptors or somebody?

I doubt he wants to freeze his butt off in Canada although I hear Toronto is a nice city. I guess we'll have to see how things shake out.

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5/2/2013  10:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/2/2013  10:33 PM
VCoug wrote:
Solace wrote:If we blow this series, I think listening to Colin Cowherd will be impossible forevermore....

It isn't impossible already?

Nearly. Colin makes some good points at times, and he has a way with words. On the other hand, with a lot of his analysis, it becomes questionable whether he watches the NBA at all or just reads statistics. Usually he pisses me off and I switch to WFAN for a while when he's on.

"The Knicks need to create more shots for Tyson Chandler." Huh? How do you create shots for someone whose only move is to dunk?

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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5/3/2013  7:22 AM
Solace wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Solace wrote:If we blow this series, I think listening to Colin Cowherd will be impossible forevermore....

It isn't impossible already?

Nearly. Colin makes some good points at times, and he has a way with words. On the other hand, with a lot of his analysis, it becomes questionable whether he watches the NBA at all or just reads statistics. Usually he pisses me off and I switch to WFAN for a while when he's on.

"The Knicks need to create more shots for Tyson Chandler." Huh? How do you create shots for someone whose only move is to dunk?

By running more motion in your offense!

Seriously- Chandler is limited, but teams continue to struggle to defend the pick and roll with him and Felton.

We're loosing because every play has become clear out and watch Melo! And he's just not LeBron!

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5/3/2013  7:23 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Stay off this board until the draft.

And at some point, for me, its going to be stop investing emotional support into this franchise until its freed from the icy grip of Dolan.

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5/3/2013  8:29 AM
they become the laughing stock of the league for being the first team to lose after being up 3-0...that's what happens.
the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
If the Knicks blow this series, what happens?

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