ToddTT wrote:

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:total Knick homerism, and thats fine. Unless folks think Dwight is broken and his body wont be the same (like post-Pho Amare) then its Dwight and its not debatable. You cant build a team around Chandler. Dwight you put average NBA talent and your winning 50 games a year and going to the 2nd round every year.

Cmon folks. Dwight may be a tool but he comes back healthy he's the best big in the NBA since Shaq

If Dwight is that good, why did the Lakers suck? Thats the best talent Dwight will ever play with in his entire career. If he's that good, the Lakers wouldn't be such a laughing stock. And this was before Kobe's injury. Dwight clearly showed how overrated he is.

+1

And post-herniation Dwight is a ticking time bomb. What will do him in first, the back or the shoulder?

Well, it's not as if Tyson doesn't have injury concerns of his own. He's been dealing with a bulging disc in his neck for awhile now and hasn't looked good at all for weeks.

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:total Knick homerism, and thats fine. Unless folks think Dwight is broken and his body wont be the same (like post-Pho Amare) then its Dwight and its not debatable. You cant build a team around Chandler. Dwight you put average NBA talent and your winning 50 games a year and going to the 2nd round every year.

Cmon folks. Dwight may be a tool but he comes back healthy he's the best big in the NBA since Shaq

If Dwight is that good, why did the Lakers suck? Thats the best talent Dwight will ever play with in his entire career. If he's that good, the Lakers wouldn't be such a laughing stock. And this was before Kobe's injury. Dwight clearly showed how overrated he is.

blkexec wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:M D A

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:total Knick homerism, and thats fine. Unless folks think Dwight is broken and his body wont be the same (like post-Pho Amare) then its Dwight and its not debatable. You cant build a team around Chandler. Dwight you put average NBA talent and your winning 50 games a year and going to the 2nd round every year.

Cmon folks. Dwight may be a tool but he comes back healthy he's the best big in the NBA since Shaq

If Dwight is that good, why did the Lakers suck? Thats the best talent Dwight will ever play with in his entire career. If he's that good, the Lakers wouldn't be such a laughing stock. And this was before Kobe's injury. Dwight clearly showed how overrated he is.

I probably dislike MDA more than you. But if we are crowning Dwight Howard the king of all centers. The best big man to play in the NBA in this era, then I don't care if the Lakers were coached by bugs bunny.

Put any great NBA player / center on that team and you would have a different outcome.

What everybody doesn't understand about players like Chandler, is that he understands his limitations, understands his role, and plays his role to the best. By the way, he has leadership qualities that makes other players follow. Dwight is not there yet. So I can't crown him with anything, other than potential. Of course he's a physical beast, but thats only part of the equation that makes a player great. I'm still waiting for the other part(s)....

nyk4ever wrote:howards a baby and a sideshow - i wouldn't want to deal with that whole mess.

he'd wilt under the New York Media attention Hell, he couldn't properly deal with the SMALL MARKET media attention in Orlando. Also, no matter how good he is, unless he averaged 20pt, 20 rbs and 5blks a game, he's suck. Knicks fans are NEVER happy with their current players and always over value guys playing elsewhere.

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:total Knick homerism, and thats fine. Unless folks think Dwight is broken and his body wont be the same (like post-Pho Amare) then its Dwight and its not debatable. You cant build a team around Chandler. Dwight you put average NBA talent and your winning 50 games a year and going to the 2nd round every year.

Cmon folks. Dwight may be a tool but he comes back healthy he's the best big in the NBA since Shaq

If Dwight is that good, why did the Lakers suck? Thats the best talent Dwight will ever play with in his entire career. If he's that good, the Lakers wouldn't be such a laughing stock. And this was before Kobe's injury. Dwight clearly showed how overrated he is.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:howards a baby and a sideshow - i wouldn't want to deal with that whole mess.

he'd wilt under the New York Media attention Hell, he couldn't properly deal with the SMALL MARKET media attention in Orlando. Also, no matter how good he is, unless he averaged 20pt, 20 rbs and 5blks a game, he's suck. Knicks fans are NEVER happy with their current players and always over value guys playing elsewhere.

Did you not look at the poll results in this very thread?

huh?

You said we over value players playing elsewhere but people are picking Chandler over Dwight.

Bonn1997 wrote:

MS wrote:Chandler is one of the most overrated players in the entire league. He doesn't score or block shots. His defense somehow become urban legend after Miami couldn't figure out how to beat a zone.

Howard was 18pts 12rbs and had a terrible season, which would be Chandlers career year. There are 10 centers better than Chandler and none better than dwight.

Look at Chandler's playoff averages that ends the debate.

Howard took almost twice as many shots and 3 times as many FTs. The difference should have been much more than 6 PPG.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MS wrote:Chandler is one of the most overrated players in the entire league. He doesn't score or block shots. His defense somehow become urban legend after Miami couldn't figure out how to beat a zone.

Howard was 18pts 12rbs and had a terrible season, which would be Chandlers career year. There are 10 centers better than Chandler and none better than dwight.

Look at Chandler's playoff averages that ends the debate.

Howard took almost twice as many shots and 3 times as many FTs. The difference should have been much more than 6 PPG.

It's easy to score efficiently when all your shots are spoonfed to you on a silver platter by JKidd and Felton, two of the best alley-oopers in the game. If there is not a perfect storm Tyson struggles to score, he is a terrible offensive player. I repeat he is a T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E offensive player. He can't even make a lay-up...K-mart is michael Jordan on offense compared to Chandler and Kmart has a very basic offensive skillset. People talk about tyson's hands- they're some of the worst in the league, especially when he's flu Tyson. As stated above, Noah is a better pick than both Chandler and Howard.

When Hakeem called you hard headed, you must have issues.

Um, what? Who is Hakeem and what are you talking about?

blkexec wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:M D A

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:total Knick homerism, and thats fine. Unless folks think Dwight is broken and his body wont be the same (like post-Pho Amare) then its Dwight and its not debatable. You cant build a team around Chandler. Dwight you put average NBA talent and your winning 50 games a year and going to the 2nd round every year.

Cmon folks. Dwight may be a tool but he comes back healthy he's the best big in the NBA since Shaq

If Dwight is that good, why did the Lakers suck? Thats the best talent Dwight will ever play with in his entire career. If he's that good, the Lakers wouldn't be such a laughing stock. And this was before Kobe's injury. Dwight clearly showed how overrated he is.

I probably dislike MDA more than you. But if we are crowning Dwight Howard the king of all centers. The best big man to play in the NBA in this era, then I don't care if the Lakers were coached by bugs bunny.

Put any great NBA player / center on that team and you would have a different outcome.

What everybody doesn't understand about players like Chandler, is that he understands his limitations, understands his role, and plays his role to the best. By the way, he has leadership qualities that makes other players follow. Dwight is not there yet. So I can't crown him with anything, other than potential. Of course he's a physical beast, but thats only part of the equation that makes a player great. I'm still waiting for the other part(s)....