Now if he were to ever win a title here....it would put him above Messier and into the ranks of Jeter, Namath, etc.

I'm a huge fan of all 4 major sports, but there's nothing bigger than Knicks basketball in this town when the Knicks are contenders. I can't imagine how it would be if we won.

simrud wrote:I think there are many pages to be written yet before we know what the ending/legacy is. Going way past this year. Example - say we get knocked out in the 2nd round by Indiana, but then come back better next year and win and so on. Legacies are funny things like that - they are very fluid up the very end.

ChuckBuck wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Papabear wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Winning a championship cures all ills and pre-conceived notions of a player. Everyone knows in NY, you win 1 title, you're sports gods without fault. Ask any member of the Yankees teams, the 86 mets, the 69 Jets, the Parcells Giants, the Knicks of the 70s, the 94 Rangers, the Coughlin Giants. You become immortalized.

Unless you're Arod!

Yes, but standards are much lower than they were for the '90s Knicks. My guess is that one ECF appearance will be enough for him to be idolized by most of the fan base.

As far as I can tell most of the fan base already idolizes him. I can also say for sure that I will NEVER idolize him, even he wins a ring or two. But that's just me, and I am not into idolizing overpaid diva types.

Papabear Says

Well who do you idolize?

Not too many people. But one of the key criteria for me to idolize someone is that they have to put their team ahead of their own personal goals or at the workplace they have to put their company ahead of their own chances of climbing the corporate ladder.

To me it seems MElo is more interested in being scoring champ or MVP than leading the Knicks to greatness, if the second happens it will be a byproduct of the first not the other way round.

In the current NBA, I can maybe see myself iodlizing Kevin Garnett and Rondo. Not saying I do, just answering your question.

That's laughable. No way a real Knicks fan would even remotely consider idolizing Kevin Garnett or Rajon Rondo. Respect maybe, but not "idolize".

That's what you got from my post? LOL

loweyecue wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Papabear wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Winning a championship cures all ills and pre-conceived notions of a player. Everyone knows in NY, you win 1 title, you're sports gods without fault. Ask any member of the Yankees teams, the 86 mets, the 69 Jets, the Parcells Giants, the Knicks of the 70s, the 94 Rangers, the Coughlin Giants. You become immortalized.

Unless you're Arod!

Yes, but standards are much lower than they were for the '90s Knicks. My guess is that one ECF appearance will be enough for him to be idolized by most of the fan base.

As far as I can tell most of the fan base already idolizes him. I can also say for sure that I will NEVER idolize him, even he wins a ring or two. But that's just me, and I am not into idolizing overpaid diva types.

Papabear Says

Well who do you idolize?

Not too many people. But one of the key criteria for me to idolize someone is that they have to put their team ahead of their own personal goals or at the workplace they have to put their company ahead of their own chances of climbing the corporate ladder.

To me it seems MElo is more interested in being scoring champ or MVP than leading the Knicks to greatness, if the second happens it will be a byproduct of the first not the other way round.

In the current NBA, I can maybe see myself iodlizing Kevin Garnett and Rondo. Not saying I do, just answering your question.

That's laughable. No way a real Knicks fan would even remotely consider idolizing Kevin Garnett or Rajon Rondo. Respect maybe, but not "idolize".

That's what you got from my post? LOL

Why don't you clarify your position? What does In the current NBA, I can maybe see myself iodlizing Kevin Garnett and Rondo. Not saying I do, just answering your question. mean? I take it if you were to put 2 guys on a pedestal, it'd be KG and Rondo. Me, being a diehard Knicks fan, see this as blasphemy. Rooting for the enemy always is. So what's your explanation, compadre?

SupremeCommander wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

simrud wrote:I think there are many pages to be written yet before we know what the ending/legacy is. Going way past this year. Example - say we get knocked out in the 2nd round by Indiana, but then come back better next year and win and so on. Legacies are funny things like that - they are very fluid up the very end.

True..but not getting to the ECF this year just makes it a lot harder for Melo. ECF at least will pacify everybody and buys him another year.

Kind of sad that the centerpiece of the best team we've been able to watch since the 1993-94 squad just buys him just another year, no?

It is sad, but we are suffering Knick fans. You think if we go ECF this year and then exit out in the 1st or 2nd round next year would be acceptable? I think we go to the ECF this year then the acceptable goal next year will be going to the Finals. The 3rd year...you better win it all.

ChuckBuck wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Papabear wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Winning a championship cures all ills and pre-conceived notions of a player. Everyone knows in NY, you win 1 title, you're sports gods without fault. Ask any member of the Yankees teams, the 86 mets, the 69 Jets, the Parcells Giants, the Knicks of the 70s, the 94 Rangers, the Coughlin Giants. You become immortalized.

Unless you're Arod!

Yes, but standards are much lower than they were for the '90s Knicks. My guess is that one ECF appearance will be enough for him to be idolized by most of the fan base.

As far as I can tell most of the fan base already idolizes him. I can also say for sure that I will NEVER idolize him, even he wins a ring or two. But that's just me, and I am not into idolizing overpaid diva types.

Papabear Says

Well who do you idolize?

Not too many people. But one of the key criteria for me to idolize someone is that they have to put their team ahead of their own personal goals or at the workplace they have to put their company ahead of their own chances of climbing the corporate ladder.

To me it seems MElo is more interested in being scoring champ or MVP than leading the Knicks to greatness, if the second happens it will be a byproduct of the first not the other way round.

In the current NBA, I can maybe see myself iodlizing Kevin Garnett and Rondo. Not saying I do, just answering your question.

That's laughable. No way a real Knicks fan would even remotely consider idolizing Kevin Garnett or Rajon Rondo. Respect maybe, but not "idolize".

That's what you got from my post? LOL

Why don't you clarify your position? What does In the current NBA, I can maybe see myself iodlizing Kevin Garnett and Rondo. Not saying I do, just answering your question. mean? I take it if you were to put 2 guys on a pedestal, it'd be KG and Rondo. Me, being a diehard Knicks fan, see this as blasphemy. Rooting for the enemy always is. So what's your explanation, compadre?

For those who are not reading challenged the explanation was already provided in my response to Papabear. And I don't really care whether you consider something blasphemy or not. He asked me a question which I answered.

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Some of the people posting in this thread would rather lose with someone else like Gallo than win with Melo.

You have any quotes or evidence for that or is it just a mysterious feeling you have?

feeling insulted?

NYKBocker wrote:

simrud wrote:I think there are many pages to be written yet before we know what the ending/legacy is. Going way past this year. Example - say we get knocked out in the 2nd round by Indiana, but then come back better next year and win and so on. Legacies are funny things like that - they are very fluid up the very end.

True..but not getting to the ECF this year just makes it a lot harder for Melo. ECF at least will pacify everybody and buys him another year.

And this yr is our best shot with an aging veteran squad

newyorknewyork wrote:Melo's legacy hmm,

First Knicks playoff win in 11yrs
First Knicks 9-0 start in 20yrs
First time Knicks win 50 games in 10yrs
First Knicks division title in 20yrs
First Knicks scoring title in 30yrs
* Longest win streak in Knicks history?

Not much "Legacy" other than a pathetic knick history.

Its a really good season so far.

Looks more like a recovering addict.

"Went a month without a drink"
"didn't steal for 2 months"
"ate 3 square meals for first time in 4 years"
"Went to AA meetings"

Its nice, its a start.

Put that next to some other franchises and its a joke!

But, its a step in the right directions.

Naturally we don't make it out of 1st round its also "legacy".

Why celebrate something that has yet to happen?

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Winning a championship cures all ills and pre-conceived notions of a player. Everyone knows in NY, you win 1 title, you're sports gods without fault. Ask any member of the Yankees teams, the 86 mets, the 69 Jets, the Parcells Giants, the Knicks of the 70s, the 94 Rangers, the Coughlin Giants. You become immortalized.

Unless you're Arod!

Yes, but standards are much lower than they were for the '90s Knicks. My guess is that one ECF appearance will be enough for him to be idolized by most of the fan base.

Bernard King was idolized by numerous Knick fans. He has a second round appearance on his Knick resume along with a scoring title....Whats the difference?