yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea how joe johnson is not number 1 is downright irresponsible. Somehow Melo who singlehandedly leads his team to 50+ win season in the toughest market in the country to play. Ask Marbury is a frickin joke.

This is Tyson's team Carmelo just lives in it

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea how joe johnson is not number 1 is downright irresponsible. Somehow Melo who singlehandedly leads his team to 50+ win season in the toughest market in the country to play. Ask Marbury is a frickin joke.

This is Tyson's team Carmelo just lives in it

That's actually what all the advanced stats and the on/off +/- indicate. "Just living in it" is an overstatement. Melo is a very important scoring specialist. Tyson contributes efficient scoring, rebounding, shot-blocking, and help defense, though. Obviously over the past 3 games Tyson has not been back to normal and Melo has carried the team though.

Also, how do you know Tyson's help D is great or good? Seriously is that the eye test or is that tracked or something?

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea how joe johnson is not number 1 is downright irresponsible. Somehow Melo who singlehandedly leads his team to 50+ win season in the toughest market in the country to play. Ask Marbury is a frickin joke.

This is Tyson's team Carmelo just lives in it

That's actually what all the advanced stats and the on/off +/- indicate. "Just living in it" is an overstatement. Melo is a very important scoring specialist. Tyson contributes efficient scoring, rebounding, shot-blocking, and help defense, though. Obviously over the past 3 games Tyson has not been back to normal and Melo has carried the team though.

You say all those things about Tyson yet do not mention the team having a better rebound rate when Melo is on the floor, his post D, Melo's On/off, teammates shooting a higher percentage when he is on the floor.

Also, how do you know Tyson's help D is great or good? Seriously is that the eye test or is that tracked or something?

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:And we gave up 120pts because Tyson is not quick enough to execute Woodsons defensive system like Kmart is. Not Tysons fault but he is not quick enough to guard perimeter players on the switch. Thats why we are not a good defensive team with Tyson. More of a middle of the road defensive team we were for 3months. Giving up 100+ and trading baskets

Get well soon Kmart

That's not all on Tyson and they are good when Tyson is on the floor. He might not be able to move like Kenyon but few can. Also I will give Tyson some slack for playing through injury

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea how joe johnson is not number 1 is downright irresponsible. Somehow Melo who singlehandedly leads his team to 50+ win season in the toughest market in the country to play. Ask Marbury is a frickin joke.

This is Tyson's team Carmelo just lives in it

That's actually what all the advanced stats and the on/off +/- indicate. "Just living in it" is an overstatement. Melo is a very important scoring specialist. Tyson contributes efficient scoring, rebounding, shot-blocking, and help defense, though. Obviously over the past 3 games Tyson has not been back to normal and Melo has carried the team though.

You say all those things about Tyson yet do not mention the team having a better rebound rate when Melo is on the floor, his post D, Melo's On/off, teammates shooting a higher percentage when he is on the floor.

Also, how do you know Tyson's help D is great or good? Seriously is that the eye test or is that tracked or something?

I've never said you can't give any weight to the eyeball test but there are defensive metrics too.
Show me the data you're referring to with Melo.
Last time I looked, his teammates had lower percentages with him on the floor.

I forgot where I saw it but pretty much every one was up except Jr and Kidd believe. Plus Tyson's wss only slightly higher. Jr assisted baskets are much higher though. On my phone so I want go searching.

Those D numbers was in one of the article's in this thread.

Bonn1997 wrote:The team has now won 5 in a row with Tyson at center, and he's not even 100%. He does a lot of things very well and the team does great when he's on the floor.

Thats a small sample size. Tyson is not even playing that many minutes yet

gunsnewing wrote:Yea Kmart is very vocal on D. The type of guy Woodson always clamoured about to lead his defensive system

He should have picked him up sooner then again he should have fresh legs. Like he said he is still in training camp/pre-season mode. Get him down to 20-25 minutes and Tyson to 28-30 minutes would be great.