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Bonn1997
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4/6/2013  10:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/6/2013  10:22 PM
The average from the guys cited above (using those #s) is close to 39%, which is way above average. The best team in the league is shooting 40% from 3 point range. If you shoot above 33% from 3 point range, you're getting more than a point a possession, which means you're doing better than breaking even.
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holfresh
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4/7/2013  1:24 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:The average from the guys cited above (using those #s) is close to 39%, which is way above average. The best team in the league is shooting 40% from 3 point range. If you shoot above 33% from 3 point range, you're getting more than a point a possession, which means you're doing better than breaking even.

You are using guys who won't get playing time in the playoffs...The team 3 pt shooting percentage is .373% and not 39% that u sighted...Shump is the only starter who shoots over 40% and would u call him a good three point shooter??..U really can't game-plan your offense around guys who won't get time in the playoffs..
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4/7/2013  1:46 AM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:The average from the guys cited above (using those #s) is close to 39%, which is way above average. The best team in the league is shooting 40% from 3 point range. If you shoot above 33% from 3 point range, you're getting more than a point a possession, which means you're doing better than breaking even.

You are using guys who won't get playing time in the playoffs...The team 3 pt shooting percentage is .373% and not 39% that u sighted...Shump is the only starter who shoots over 40% and would u call him a good three point shooter??..U really can't game-plan your offense around guys who won't get time in the playoffs..

I think it's approaching the time to start calling shump a good 3pt shooter. Dince moving off the ball he id shooting 39% over his last 67 games and even better in the corner.

Anyway those numbers are just raw data it is better to look at the % of each type of 3pt shot for all the players.
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4/7/2013  2:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/7/2013  2:28 AM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:The average from the guys cited above (using those #s) is close to 39%, which is way above average. The best team in the league is shooting 40% from 3 point range. If you shoot above 33% from 3 point range, you're getting more than a point a possession, which means you're doing better than breaking even.

You are using guys who won't get playing time in the playoffs...The team 3 pt shooting percentage is .373% and not 39% that u sighted...Shump is the only starter who shoots over 40% and would u call him a good three point shooter??..U really can't game-plan your offense around guys who won't get time in the playoffs..


Point is to have a way to put them in better scoring situations,then they will make it rain in the playoffs. Who is not getting time in the playoffs? Copeland? Rest of these guys are our rotation players.
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4/7/2013  3:20 AM
ramtour420 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:The average from the guys cited above (using those #s) is close to 39%, which is way above average. The best team in the league is shooting 40% from 3 point range. If you shoot above 33% from 3 point range, you're getting more than a point a possession, which means you're doing better than breaking even.

You are using guys who won't get playing time in the playoffs...The team 3 pt shooting percentage is .373% and not 39% that u sighted...Shump is the only starter who shoots over 40% and would u call him a good three point shooter??..U really can't game-plan your offense around guys who won't get time in the playoffs..


Point is to have a way to put them in better scoring situations,then they will make it rain in the playoffs. Who is not getting time in the playoffs? Copeland? Rest of these guys are our rotation players.

I can't see Novak getting time in the playoffs either...Put a player on him and he is useless..He is too much of a liability on defense as well..So Shump at 41%, then Melo at 38%..Puts the real team that will be playing at about 36%....We are 5th in the league in 3pt %...Im just not convinced that a new PG is the answer versus another bonafied scorer to take the pressure off Melo...
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4/7/2013  9:58 AM
holfresh wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:The average from the guys cited above (using those #s) is close to 39%, which is way above average. The best team in the league is shooting 40% from 3 point range. If you shoot above 33% from 3 point range, you're getting more than a point a possession, which means you're doing better than breaking even.

You are using guys who won't get playing time in the playoffs...The team 3 pt shooting percentage is .373% and not 39% that u sighted...Shump is the only starter who shoots over 40% and would u call him a good three point shooter??..U really can't game-plan your offense around guys who won't get time in the playoffs..


Point is to have a way to put them in better scoring situations,then they will make it rain in the playoffs. Who is not getting time in the playoffs? Copeland? Rest of these guys are our rotation players.

I can't see Novak getting time in the playoffs either...Put a player on him and he is useless..He is too much of a liability on defense as well..So Shump at 41%, then Melo at 38%..Puts the real team that will be playing at about 36%....We are 5th in the league in 3pt %...Im just not convinced that a new PG is the answer versus another bonafied scorer to take the pressure off Melo...

Novak will get some PT in the playoffs, but I'm pretty sure he's going to be on a short leash. If he can't knock down the 3, I'm guessing Copeland will get his minutes.
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4/7/2013  10:17 AM
I knew i'd find the "Raymond Felton Hater All-Stars" on this thread. It doesn't matter what this guy does to produce time and time again for this team he will never be fully appreciated. The rfhas will always discredit his contribution in some way, shape or form. And say we win in spite of him which can be no further from the truth. Felton has done anything this team has needed whether it be handling more of a scoring load earlier in the year to controlling pace and limiting turnovers all year long. The man is a solid contributor for this knicks team and i appreciate what he brings. If he is aggressive he is more than enough for this team to win a title. We can win this thing this year!!!
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4/7/2013  11:07 AM
rkf wrote:I knew i'd find the "Raymond Felton Hater All-Stars" on this thread. It doesn't matter what this guy does to produce time and time again for this team he will never be fully appreciated. The rfhas will always discredit his contribution in some way, shape or form. And say we win in spite of him which can be no further from the truth. Felton has done anything this team has needed whether it be handling more of a scoring load earlier in the year to controlling pace and limiting turnovers all year long. The man is a solid contributor for this knicks team and i appreciate what he brings. If he is aggressive he is more than enough for this team to win a title. We can win this thing this year!!!

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4/7/2013  11:48 AM
Not in the least. It's just a sensible fan that watches every game and appreciates the things he brings to the team man. Nothing more or less. I see the vitriol this guy getsand its not fair. Some on this board hate him and discredit him. They'd rather give credit to prig for the recent success or Kidd for the success earlier in the year. He's not perfect but I'm very confident in him. I don't care what excuses you guys bring up. He's come up big for this team. If you don't see that then you never will.
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4/7/2013  2:26 PM
You know that's exactly what we'd expect Raymond to say, right?
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4/7/2013  2:42 PM
Felton never get any love here..Don't be surprised...
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4/7/2013  3:04 PM
Ray was huge for us in the beginning but ever since he came back from his hand injuries he's looked slow and has struggled badly on d. He doesn't get into the paint much anymore. Lots of jumpers from a below average shooter isn't good. He's had some awful games against Houston and Chicago where he's just chucking up shots.
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4/7/2013  4:04 PM
When Ray plays within his limits and doesn't try to play up to his opposition (he sucks when trying to match the top PG's because he plays like he is trying to prove himself). He is an extremely valuable-and quality-role player when he plays within his means.
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4/7/2013  4:57 PM
RonRon wrote:Felton could play PG more effectively in LOW dosages, he has been more sucessfull playing SG
He cannot defend PG's because of his big bones and go through the picks
Neither can Pablo or Kidd

Felton's lack of IQ, ability to run a team, and inability to defend PG's will show come play off time, he has been able to keep this down with Pablo starting
Kidd is no longer a PG, NOT a penetration threat, cannot defend most PG's and many SG's, and is not a good PnR PG at his age
Pablo can run the PnR, also a good facilitator, but not much of a penetration threat and moves at 5mph at max speed, and also cannot defend PG's

so no one in a "3 headed" PG trio can actually defend the position and have inabilities to run a team but they make Melo happy and do not steal his highlights
2 of them play SG more effectively than PG

If Pablo can play PG while Felton plays SG efficiently/effectively, I cannot see why Lin could not have played PG, and been much better than what Pablo brings on both ends


Please stop calling for Lin. He no longer plays here. He's defense was abysmal and his handle needed work. He had his run under the D'Antoni free for all, and would have had a limited role here, just as Landry Fields is underperforming in Toronto. Try moving forward.
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4/7/2013  6:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/7/2013  6:24 PM
tj23 wrote:Ray was huge for us in the beginning but ever since he came back from his hand injuries he's looked slow and has struggled badly on d. He doesn't get into the paint much anymore. Lots of jumpers from a below average shooter isn't good. He's had some awful games against Houston and Chicago where he's just chucking up shots.

Do u guys watch the games before these type of comments??..

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=400278865

Felton shot chart...10 of his 12 shot attempts in the lane...And a few kick outs to boot...
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4/7/2013  6:43 PM
holfresh wrote:
tj23 wrote:Ray was huge for us in the beginning but ever since he came back from his hand injuries he's looked slow and has struggled badly on d. He doesn't get into the paint much anymore. Lots of jumpers from a below average shooter isn't good. He's had some awful games against Houston and Chicago where he's just chucking up shots.

Do u guys watch the games before these type of comments??..

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=400278865

Felton shot chart...10 of his 12 shot attempts in the lane...And a few kick outs to boot...


It's all about perception bro, he needs to find a Taiwanese grand farther in his bloodline and then maybe he can play up the novelty-race act.
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4/8/2013  5:11 AM
...Raymond, is that you?...
We are all Raymond Felton.

I appreciate Felton's game but unless he improves, sigh, I think we are a PG away from being a better team.
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4/8/2013  10:20 AM
Ray is what this team needs man. We have the offensive firepower (Melo, Smith, Copeland, Novak, etc.) and he is the engine whether you like it or not. Nobody on this team can get into the lane and man the pick and roll like he does. No one collapses the defense and consistently finds the open shooter for the assist/hockey like he can. Nobody on this roster. Give the man credit. Did you see how he handled the offense yesterday? Did you see him control the pace? Did you see him in attack mode and playing the pick and roll to perfection? Did you see the flotation devices he threw up over the OKC defenders? lol. No I am not Ray, Ray's father cousin or friend but I am a fan of this team and I like his game. I just want to enjoy the ride and see what this team and this group of players has in store for us. The way they have played all season long I would not count this team out to win it all this year. I dont give a damn about any other player on any other team. I don't give a damn about whiny Chris Paul and I don't care that Lin was talking about racial barriers on 60 minutes. All I care about is this team. I know a title contender when I see one and I know a legit point guard when I see them too. This year we have both! Shut up and enjoy the ride.
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4/8/2013  11:16 AM
NumberTwoPencil wrote:...Raymond, is that you?...
We are all Raymond Felton.

I appreciate Felton's game but unless he improves, sigh, I think we are a PG away from being a better team.

Defensively i don't know what happened but he just gets killed by everyone.
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4/8/2013  12:01 PM
holfresh wrote:
tj23 wrote:Ray was huge for us in the beginning but ever since he came back from his hand injuries he's looked slow and has struggled badly on d. He doesn't get into the paint much anymore. Lots of jumpers from a below average shooter isn't good. He's had some awful games against Houston and Chicago where he's just chucking up shots.

Do u guys watch the games before these type of comments??..

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=400278865

Felton shot chart...10 of his 12 shot attempts in the lane...And a few kick outs to boot...


Have you watched the games for the past 3 months? Sorry, I'm not counting Ray's short fallaway jumpers in the lane as points in the paint because he's pretty awful at them. He's simply not a good shooter. He wastes numerous possessions with poor driving attempts where he kicks out way too early because he's not showing the explosiveness to get all the way to the basket, and then we have to reset the offense and sometimes rush up a shot. This is happening nearly every game. I've been hoping Ray's been saving it all fit the playoffs but that might be a little overly optimistic. I'm not a Ray hater either. I actually have the guy's jersey and I've always defended him.
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