Bonn1997 wrote:

tj23 wrote:Kmart>Tyson

I'd put it like this:
K-Mart playing at a ridiculously high level that he won't keep up > what we got from a banged up Tyson before he officially went on the injured list

Crazy Talk. Basketball is a team game. Thanks to steady leadership, the Knicks sum is greater than its parts.

What that means is the moment Tyson Chandler is ready to play 20 minutes, I Man Shumpert will miss 5 games with the flu or Carmelo will bruise his knee. The beauty of the season is that every time that an injury occurred and panic was the mood of the week - someone unexpected has stepped up for these Knicks.

Kenyon Martin strains an abdominal muscle? Earl Smith has an off night? No problem. Chris Copeland drops 22 points. Raymond Felton picks up the slack.

The comparison of one guy being better than another guy is a waste of time with these Knicks. Somehow, Mike Woodson has convinced them all that injuries are no excuse.

There is no debating that shrimpy Knicks have responded well as a team.

The next time he takes the court, Kurt Thomas deserves a standing ovation. Imagine what happens if Marcus Camby and/or Rasheed Wallace can give us 12 good minutes.

Beat The Heat.

misterearl wrote:There Is No > < in Team

Bonn1997 wrote:

tj23 wrote:Kmart>Tyson

I'd put it like this:
K-Mart playing at a ridiculously high level that he won't keep up > what we got from a banged up Tyson before he officially went on the injured list

Crazy Talk. Basketball is a team game. Thanks to steady leadership, the Knicks sum is greater than its parts.

What that means is the moment Tyson Chandler is ready to play 20 minutes, I Man Shumpert will miss 5 games with the flu or Carmelo will bruise his knee. The beauty of the season is that every time that an injury occurred and panic was the mood of the week - someone unexpected has stepped up for these Knicks.

Kenyon Martin strains an abdominal muscle? Earl Smith has an off night? No problem. Chris Copeland drops 22 points. Raymond Felton picks up the slack.

The comparison of one guy being better than another guy is a waste of time with these Knicks. Somehow, Mike Woodson has convinced them all that injuries are no excuse.

There is no debating that shrimpy Knicks have responded well as a team.

The next time he takes the court, Kurt Thomas deserves a standing ovation. Imagine what happens if Marcus Camby and/or Rasheed Wallace can give us 12 good minutes.

Beat The Heat.

The hangup on the starting lineup is a bit silly. Given the Knicks depth, Woodson seems focused on minutes and matchups rather than starting/bench with the exception of JR Smith, who is coming off the bench solely to preserve his candidacy for 6MOTY.

If Ty isn't healthy, mobile and giving us the "vertical spacing" together with tough defense and rebounding, its his minutes, not starting/subbing that should suffer. But if he is healthy and able to play like he was at the start of the year, there is no better anchor to the Knicks D at the start, middle or end of the game than Tyson Chandler.

Bottom line is how we doing vs. +.500 teams

Pretty good.

http://www.nba.com/standings/team_record_comparison/conferenceNew_Mrg_Cnf.html

Streak is nice but not that impressive in terms of savior worshippig!

Lets be straight, we beating teams good teams are supppose to beat.

The record speaks for itself:

We are a good team in a really bad conference.
We are perhaps 3 teams that are real contenders, and two of them are out west.

The next tier of teams (Denver, Memphis, Indy, Clippers) we can say are in company of these teams record wise.

Since Tyson went down JR is on a roll and playing real good ball, and Melo is healthy.

It is what it is no matter how much homers try to sell this.

In the end, the playoffs will tell the tale!

Bonn1997 wrote:That is informative. Against > .500 teams, we have the 8th best record in the league, which seems reasonable. We probably are a top 8 team in the league, or at least top 10.

I agree. and as we know some match ups are better than others.

Miami could fall to a lessor team if injury happens and we could get to finals.

I'd say if SAS could get into a war with OKC and advance we could beat SAS.

Its why the games are played!

BRIGGS wrote:

sealy wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TeamBall wrote:Whats Tysons status anyway?

Well need him in the playoffs--but next year we have to get rid of that bloated salary--hes not worth 14mm. We could cut that up and make a better team.

Agreed. Regardless if its been bc of JRs hot play, the weak schedule, playing Prigioni or KMart amazing play this definitely has to and probably can happen. I realize everyone loves Chandler but he's not worth that contract and Amar'e isn't going anywhere with his uninsured contract.

JR has the opt out (is this correct?) and he would probably wanna stay if he had his deal restructured and we could also resign Kmart and maybe another big w that room. I would think a handful of squads would consider taking on Chandler in a swap. Question is could it free up the room to make the above resignings after a deal?

For 14mm you can sign JR Kenyon and go out and get another big. That is much more value than just having Chandler. I think we can use our draft pick to replace JR with a S+T for Hendersen from Charlotte(they were looking for a#1) if we cant get a good deal for Chandler. But for right now--this season and no further-- we need Tyson--I would just use him off the bench.

The thing is if we shave $14M off of next year's cap we won't then be able to spend it. If we were to trade Tyson to a team that can absorb his contract so we don't receive salary back that would only cut our cap figure to $62M, still over the cap; it would allow us to use the full MLE and LLE. We already have JR's Early Bird rights which allows us to resign him for a contract similar to the MLE so it wouldn't affect him but the LLE could probably be used to resign Kenyon. Best case scenario is we resign JR with his Early Bird rights, Kenyon with the LLE, and another good rotational player, preferably a shooter, with the MLE.

But, most likely if we trade Tyson then we'd be taking back a player/players with similar salaries. If that happens then all we're doing is replacing $14M of Tyson with $14M of somebody else and it doesn't help us to resign either JR or Kenyon.

VCoug wrote:

misterearl wrote:What happened from 12/15 through 3/17, Stays in 12/15 through 3/17

VCoug wrote:
The Jazz and the Celtics aren't good teams. The Jazz are only 38-36 and are sitting at 8th in the West while Boston is only 38-35 and is missing their 2 best players. I'm happy that we're finally winning games on a regular basis again but I still have serious doubts that we can even make it out of the 2nd round let alone compete for a championship. 7 games isn't going to erase everything that happened from 12/15 through 3/17.

The March schedule was a brutal one for the Knicks. Eighteen games. Ten on the road. A five-game West Coast trip. Six back-to-backs. But they came out of it just fine, as they went 12-6 in the month - their highest win total since March 1994, when they finished 14-0.

Will nine in a row matter at all?

Does anything matter, aside from putting petty complaints on a pedestal, in the middle of a winning streak?

Nah. These are the Knicks. They always find a way to break your (chicken-liver sized) heart.

Yeah right.

What matters is the season as a whole and then the postseason. A 2-week hot streak in March doesn't nullify the entire rest of the season. If we get bounced in the 2nd round of the playoffs, certainly possible for a mediocre defensive team with an offense overly reliant on 3's, then this season is a failure and no amount of reminiscing about beating a crappy Jazz team will change that.

I remember the days of hot streaks from past individual players on this team.....Gallo back in 2009 I believe when he got hot after Chandler went down and waxed Melo's Nuggets then. Oh fans thought he was all that and a bag of chips until Melo said he wanted to be a Knick....Remember Jamal would do likewise Smith...he dropped 50 on some team, then you had Nate when he was on his tear of 30pt scoring games even Lebron was taking notice, you had No Sharrington get into one of his scoring grooves where he was poppin his jersey collar like a Tranny in a game, we had David Lee, Lin can't forget his stretch.... and even Amar'e

What has any of it amounted to? JACK SQUAT!!!!

What we're witnessing are self contained good performances from guys who know how to score....nothing more. They done it not only here but elsewhere with pretty much nothing to show for it except a few All-Star nods and end of season acknowledgements.

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:That is informative. Against > .500 teams, we have the 8th best record in the league, which seems reasonable. We probably are a top 8 team in the league, or at least top 10.

we are a top 8 team. trouble is only the top 6 teams have favorable enough odds to win it all.

spurs
thunder
miami
denver
clippers
memphis
indiana

You guys are killin me. Odds? If the so-called "odds" are not stacked in your favor why bother to show up to play the games?

What were the "odds" of Clay defeating Liston? The Jets against Baltimore? The 1999 Knicks reaching The Finals?

Only chumps worry about odds.

dk7th - what were the odds of Average Joe's winning at Dodgeball? Rocky beating Clubber Lang?

What were the odds of Luke Skywalker busting The Death Star? Gimme a freakin break. The Jamaican Bobsled Team showing up in Calgary?

Odds are for people with no imagination, no sense of humor and neither or heart nor soul.

What were the odds of Andy Dufresne getting out of Shawshank Prison?

Beat The Heat.

dk7th (and bonn1997) - by obsessing over the odds, you both overlook the prime reason most people watch sports in the first place. We watch because it is immediate, and unscripted. We watch because of the stories that capture our imagination - not because sports create profits for a Las Vegas bookie.

Many of us watch sports for the magic that happens on those priceless moments when the Allan Houston shot bounces off the rim and in, for an eighth seeded team to beat the odds. Or when a manchild from New Jersey turns a troubled/ talented past into a productive present. Or when a 35 year old Argentinian tourist unpacks his bags in a new country and discovers a second life as a starter in March. That same tourist leads a bunch of creaky veterans to the most fun win streak since the Taiwanese American from Harvard had his fantastic blip on the NBA radar. Was that insanity against the odds?

You can sulk about the past, and fear the future (because of the odds) until you are green with envy of all the eventual champions for the next half century. Personally, The Answer Man will bleed orange and blue, and expect a miracle, no matter what the odds are.

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:That is informative. Against > .500 teams, we have the 8th best record in the league, which seems reasonable. We probably are a top 8 team in the league, or at least top 10.

we are a top 8 team. trouble is only the top 6 teams have favorable enough odds to win it all.

spurs
thunder
miami
denver
clippers
memphis
indiana

The Knicks are in second in the east and the hottest team in the nba. Not sure how you came up with that top six.