dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

JamesLin wrote:I'm not quite sure if you got the priority right, but..

Jimmy Dol made the big mistake, nobody else did. Melo got the money he wanted, and the hometown city he wanted. No mistake there. Walsh was rebuilding our team and the results? Just look at the Nuggets now, they're 1-2 superstars away from contention and they sure got the cap space for it next year. LeBron didn't come to the Knicks most likely because Delonte allegedly screwed his mom constantly (NY Post), and I doubt Walsh could stop that. There is nothing we can really do. Jimmy Dol already screwed us up for the next 3 years. Not sure what you really are trying to say... get rid of Jimmy Dol? Yes, you got that right, and just say it.

not sure what walsh had to do with this mess. this was all the doing of carmelo and James dolan.. Walsh from what I can remember was hesitant on this trade because it was too costly. Walsh always said.. " a player may be good at one price, but not at another".. He is no fool. he understood that carmelo was not good for us at that price.. So what did carmelo do? he asks to meet with the idiot dolan, who threw walsh to the side. I mean lets not be silly here.. walsh had nothing to do with this union... Carmelo got what he wanted.. Money and to play in NY.. winning really doesn't matter when it comes to guys like dolan and carmelo.. they have both proven that....

Threads like this crack me up.. as some of us so called haters, didn't like the trade from the start for various reasons.. but instead we were called gallo lovers, haters, etc...

All we got in this trade was Denvers problem.. Yes, carmelo was Denver's problem and they did a masterful job unloading it for max value... They are not 1-2 superstars away from contention, they are in contention now.. I don't get it with this "superstar away" stuff.. they are winning now.. they are one of the best teams in the league.... as a team, they are performing on a superstar level and that is all that matters....

Donnie Walsh laid the plans and supplied the murder weapon. He is an accomplice.

really? he laid the plans to this mess? really? where where you the past few years? this can't be your honest assessment of the mess we are in...

Who hired d'antoni and overpaid because he was scared the bulls would take him, while seriously believing leBron would like him?

Who traded away decent players for nothing, while all went on to being productive elsewhere (mainly Z-Bo Crawford and Lee)

Who gave Amare 40 million of uninsured dollars more than his home team?

What happened to our 2012 pick?

And yes Donnie iniated the Melo trade no matter who finished it, he started it.

Yep. Also, Denver wasn't not trading Anthony at the deadline so that they could get nothing for him and he could walk like LBJ and Bosh. Anthony wanted a new deal before the owners locked out the players and 'reigned in' free agency. If Anthony wasn't traded to the KNicks he goes somewhere else at the deadline, probably the Nets. Also, waiting and walking as a free agent would have cost Anthony 25 million dollars. The Nuggets and Anhtony were very motivated to move him at the deadline.

then shame forever on dolan for shoving walsh aside and making the trade. we were in the driver's seat. let melo go to brooklyn or let him twist in the wind. anything but this steaming pile we have to endure.

Yeah, imagine the backlash if the Knicks didn't dso the deal, and the team sits into eternal lotto, while the Nets improve.

Either way, Walsh was gonna do the deal, he phucked up every other deal by paying 110% of value by showing his hand by telling the WORLD what his plans were.

the point i am making eludes you and the many fans who are stubbornly like-minded: carmelo DOES NOT IMPROVE any team he goes to as the central piece! when is that going to sink in?!? who cares if the nets get him? good! he is just another iso player who doesn't defend and doesn't facilitate. he was denver's headache and he could have been brooklyn's.

there would have been backlash from the ignorant and unworthy fans who don't know jack twiddly shyte about how to build a team. instead you got what you wanted: a career loser residing in msg who you can't build a team around because he is a chemistry killer.

your comment on walsh is as false as it is gratuitous. he gave away NOTHING. dolan is the culprit here as usual. my god

Yet these fans who believe he would have went there can't tell you what their team would have looked like. They only bring this up from as a we had to save face stance against Jersey. Okay Melo goes to Jersey....

Now break down what Jersey would of gave up to get him and figure out what their cap situation would have been like.

I'm willing to wait for replies since some have already provided long-winded ones.

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:then shame forever on dolan for shoving walsh aside and making the trade. we were in the driver's seat. let melo go to brooklyn or let him twist in the wind. anything but this steaming pile we have to endure.

Walsh was gonna make the trade. The only thing Dolan really did was give up any leverage we would have had. He didnt force Walsh to do anything because he was already gonna make the trade to begin with.

keep repeating that and it still won't be true-- or change anything.

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

JamesLin wrote:I'm not quite sure if you got the priority right, but..

Jimmy Dol made the big mistake, nobody else did. Melo got the money he wanted, and the hometown city he wanted. No mistake there. Walsh was rebuilding our team and the results? Just look at the Nuggets now, they're 1-2 superstars away from contention and they sure got the cap space for it next year. LeBron didn't come to the Knicks most likely because Delonte allegedly screwed his mom constantly (NY Post), and I doubt Walsh could stop that. There is nothing we can really do. Jimmy Dol already screwed us up for the next 3 years. Not sure what you really are trying to say... get rid of Jimmy Dol? Yes, you got that right, and just say it.

not sure what walsh had to do with this mess. this was all the doing of carmelo and James dolan.. Walsh from what I can remember was hesitant on this trade because it was too costly. Walsh always said.. " a player may be good at one price, but not at another".. He is no fool. he understood that carmelo was not good for us at that price.. So what did carmelo do? he asks to meet with the idiot dolan, who threw walsh to the side. I mean lets not be silly here.. walsh had nothing to do with this union... Carmelo got what he wanted.. Money and to play in NY.. winning really doesn't matter when it comes to guys like dolan and carmelo.. they have both proven that....

Threads like this crack me up.. as some of us so called haters, didn't like the trade from the start for various reasons.. but instead we were called gallo lovers, haters, etc...

All we got in this trade was Denvers problem.. Yes, carmelo was Denver's problem and they did a masterful job unloading it for max value... They are not 1-2 superstars away from contention, they are in contention now.. I don't get it with this "superstar away" stuff.. they are winning now.. they are one of the best teams in the league.... as a team, they are performing on a superstar level and that is all that matters....

Donnie Walsh laid the plans and supplied the murder weapon. He is an accomplice.

really? he laid the plans to this mess? really? where where you the past few years? this can't be your honest assessment of the mess we are in...

Who hired d'antoni and overpaid because he was scared the bulls would take him, while seriously believing leBron would like him?

Who traded away decent players for nothing, while all went on to being productive elsewhere (mainly Z-Bo Crawford and Lee)

Who gave Amare 40 million of uninsured dollars more than his home team?

What happened to our 2012 pick?

And yes Donnie iniated the Melo trade no matter who finished it, he started it.

Yep. Also, Denver wasn't not trading Anthony at the deadline so that they could get nothing for him and he could walk like LBJ and Bosh. Anthony wanted a new deal before the owners locked out the players and 'reigned in' free agency. If Anthony wasn't traded to the KNicks he goes somewhere else at the deadline, probably the Nets. Also, waiting and walking as a free agent would have cost Anthony 25 million dollars. The Nuggets and Anhtony were very motivated to move him at the deadline.

then shame forever on dolan for shoving walsh aside and making the trade. we were in the driver's seat. let melo go to brooklyn or let him twist in the wind. anything but this steaming pile we have to endure.

Yeah, imagine the backlash if the Knicks didn't dso the deal, and the team sits into eternal lotto, while the Nets improve.

Either way, Walsh was gonna do the deal, he phucked up every other deal by paying 110% of value by showing his hand by telling the WORLD what his plans were.

the point i am making eludes you and the many fans who are stubbornly like-minded: carmelo DOES NOT IMPROVE any team he goes to as the central piece! when is that going to sink in?!? who cares if the nets get him? good! he is just another iso player who doesn't defend and doesn't facilitate. he was denver's headache and he could have been brooklyn's.

there would have been backlash from the ignorant and unworthy fans who don't know jack twiddly shyte about how to build a team. instead you got what you wanted: a career loser residing in msg who you can't build a team around because he is a chemistry killer.

your comment on walsh is as false as it is gratuitous. he gave away NOTHING. dolan is the culprit here as usual. my god

Yet these fans who believe he would have went there can't tell you what their team would have looked like. They only bring this up from a we had to save face stance against Jersey. Okay Melo goes to Jersey....

Now break down what Jersey would of gave up to get him and figure out what their cap situation would have been like.

I'm willing to wait for replies since some have already provided long-winded ones.

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

JamesLin wrote:I'm not quite sure if you got the priority right, but..

Jimmy Dol made the big mistake, nobody else did. Melo got the money he wanted, and the hometown city he wanted. No mistake there. Walsh was rebuilding our team and the results? Just look at the Nuggets now, they're 1-2 superstars away from contention and they sure got the cap space for it next year. LeBron didn't come to the Knicks most likely because Delonte allegedly screwed his mom constantly (NY Post), and I doubt Walsh could stop that. There is nothing we can really do. Jimmy Dol already screwed us up for the next 3 years. Not sure what you really are trying to say... get rid of Jimmy Dol? Yes, you got that right, and just say it.

not sure what walsh had to do with this mess. this was all the doing of carmelo and James dolan.. Walsh from what I can remember was hesitant on this trade because it was too costly. Walsh always said.. " a player may be good at one price, but not at another".. He is no fool. he understood that carmelo was not good for us at that price.. So what did carmelo do? he asks to meet with the idiot dolan, who threw walsh to the side. I mean lets not be silly here.. walsh had nothing to do with this union... Carmelo got what he wanted.. Money and to play in NY.. winning really doesn't matter when it comes to guys like dolan and carmelo.. they have both proven that....

Threads like this crack me up.. as some of us so called haters, didn't like the trade from the start for various reasons.. but instead we were called gallo lovers, haters, etc...

All we got in this trade was Denvers problem.. Yes, carmelo was Denver's problem and they did a masterful job unloading it for max value... They are not 1-2 superstars away from contention, they are in contention now.. I don't get it with this "superstar away" stuff.. they are winning now.. they are one of the best teams in the league.... as a team, they are performing on a superstar level and that is all that matters....

Donnie Walsh laid the plans and supplied the murder weapon. He is an accomplice.

really? he laid the plans to this mess? really? where where you the past few years? this can't be your honest assessment of the mess we are in...

Who hired d'antoni and overpaid because he was scared the bulls would take him, while seriously believing leBron would like him?

Who traded away decent players for nothing, while all went on to being productive elsewhere (mainly Z-Bo Crawford and Lee)

Who gave Amare 40 million of uninsured dollars more than his home team?

What happened to our 2012 pick?

And yes Donnie iniated the Melo trade no matter who finished it, he started it.

Yep. Also, Denver wasn't not trading Anthony at the deadline so that they could get nothing for him and he could walk like LBJ and Bosh. Anthony wanted a new deal before the owners locked out the players and 'reigned in' free agency. If Anthony wasn't traded to the KNicks he goes somewhere else at the deadline, probably the Nets. Also, waiting and walking as a free agent would have cost Anthony 25 million dollars. The Nuggets and Anhtony were very motivated to move him at the deadline.

then shame forever on dolan for shoving walsh aside and making the trade. we were in the driver's seat. let melo go to brooklyn or let him twist in the wind. anything but this steaming pile we have to endure.

Yeah, imagine the backlash if the Knicks didn't dso the deal, and the team sits into eternal lotto, while the Nets improve.

Either way, Walsh was gonna do the deal, he phucked up every other deal by paying 110% of value by showing his hand by telling the WORLD what his plans were.

the point i am making eludes you and the many fans who are stubbornly like-minded: carmelo DOES NOT IMPROVE any team he goes to as the central piece! when is that going to sink in?!? who cares if the nets get him? good! he is just another iso player who doesn't defend and doesn't facilitate. he was denver's headache and he could have been brooklyn's.

there would have been backlash from the ignorant and unworthy fans who don't know jack twiddly shyte about how to build a team. instead you got what you wanted: a career loser residing in msg who you can't build a team around because he is a chemistry killer.

your comment on walsh is as false as it is gratuitous. he gave away NOTHING. dolan is the culprit here as usual. my god

Yet these fans who believe he would have went there can't tell you what their team would have looked like. They only bring this up from a we had to save face stance against Jersey. Okay Melo goes to Jersey....

Now break down what Jersey would of gave up to get him and figure out what their cap situation would have been like.

I'm willing to wait for replies since some have already provided long-winded ones.

It isn't a we have to save face stance. Melo was being moved. Walsh wanted a second star. If you are saying Walsh was trying to save face and complete his two star plan maybe I buy that a little. Melo was 26 and a superstar. You might not like him but guys like that rarely become available. The Knicks had the means to get him. Pairing Melo with Amare wasn't the best but Walsh was going for whatever stars were left over after he missed out on his two year mission.
In regards to Jersey they would have sent close to the same package that they sent for dwill. The difference was Jersey had been stock piling assets so the team could be sold and had young talent and picks to spare. No one wanted to sign there. There was a ton of 'potential' but the Nets hadn't been good for a long time. Having a healthy Bropez was a huge asset for them.

Nahhhh it was a pissing match with Jersey and we got plizzayed like a fiddle. Oh No We Can't Let Melo Go To Jersey Denver Is Threatening To Trade Him There.....No He'd Be Their BluePrint

If it was about 2nd star well others were still available Deron, then the following yr CP3, and then Howard and Harden.... so Walsh's plan could have remained in tact, Yes stars do become available quite contrary to what you posted.... no need to rush on Melo unless you were overly concerned with Turf War!

Back to what I asked what would Jersey have given up to get Melo and what would their roster have looked like. Very easy and simple question Crush? Too lazy to do the work?

3G4G wrote:
Nahhhh it was a pissing match with Jersey and we got plizzayed like a fiddle. Oh No We Can't Let Melo Go To Jersey Denver Is Threatening To Trade Him There.....No He'd Be Their BluePrint

If it was about 2nd star well others were still available Deron, then the following yr CP3, and then Howard and Harden.... so Walsh's plan could have remained in tact, Yes stars do become available quite contrary to what you posted.... no need to rush unless you were overly concerned with Turf War!

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:
Nahhhh it was a pissing match with Jersey and we got plizzayed like a fiddle. Oh No We Can't Let Melo Go To Jersey Denver Is Threatening To Trade Him There.....No He'd Be Their BluePrint

If it was about 2nd star well others were still available Deron, then the following yr CP3, and then Howard and Harden.... so Walsh's plan could have remained in tact, Yes stars do become available quite contrary to what you posted.... no need to rush unless you were overly concerned with Turf War!

Yeah thats what it was. The one thing Melo did in this that pissed me off was keeping NJ in the race when he wanted to go to NY all along.

CrushAlot wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:
Nahhhh it was a pissing match with Jersey and we got plizzayed like a fiddle. Oh No We Can't Let Melo Go To Jersey Denver Is Threatening To Trade Him There.....No He'd Be Their BluePrint

If it was about 2nd star well others were still available Deron, then the following yr CP3, and then Howard and Harden.... so Walsh's plan could have remained in tact, Yes stars do become available quite contrary to what you posted.... no need to rush unless you were overly concerned with Turf War!

Yeah thats what it was. The one thing Melo did in this that pissed me off was keeping NJ in the race when he wanted to go to NY all along.

Did he keep them in the race? I thought he was on the fence about signing an extension with them. Not sure though because he was in the discussion for NJ that entire year.

For the last time.....

There are some posters who are incredibly stubborn and black out these moments. Why did he think he was going to Jersey if he was on the fence or they weren't an option for him to sign an extension?

Now that you've been provided his Usher Confession.....

What would Jersey have given up to acquire him?

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

JamesLin wrote:I'm not quite sure if you got the priority right, but..

Jimmy Dol made the big mistake, nobody else did. Melo got the money he wanted, and the hometown city he wanted. No mistake there. Walsh was rebuilding our team and the results? Just look at the Nuggets now, they're 1-2 superstars away from contention and they sure got the cap space for it next year. LeBron didn't come to the Knicks most likely because Delonte allegedly screwed his mom constantly (NY Post), and I doubt Walsh could stop that. There is nothing we can really do. Jimmy Dol already screwed us up for the next 3 years. Not sure what you really are trying to say... get rid of Jimmy Dol? Yes, you got that right, and just say it.

not sure what walsh had to do with this mess. this was all the doing of carmelo and James dolan.. Walsh from what I can remember was hesitant on this trade because it was too costly. Walsh always said.. " a player may be good at one price, but not at another".. He is no fool. he understood that carmelo was not good for us at that price.. So what did carmelo do? he asks to meet with the idiot dolan, who threw walsh to the side. I mean lets not be silly here.. walsh had nothing to do with this union... Carmelo got what he wanted.. Money and to play in NY.. winning really doesn't matter when it comes to guys like dolan and carmelo.. they have both proven that....

Threads like this crack me up.. as some of us so called haters, didn't like the trade from the start for various reasons.. but instead we were called gallo lovers, haters, etc...

All we got in this trade was Denvers problem.. Yes, carmelo was Denver's problem and they did a masterful job unloading it for max value... They are not 1-2 superstars away from contention, they are in contention now.. I don't get it with this "superstar away" stuff.. they are winning now.. they are one of the best teams in the league.... as a team, they are performing on a superstar level and that is all that matters....

Donnie Walsh laid the plans and supplied the murder weapon. He is an accomplice.

really? he laid the plans to this mess? really? where where you the past few years? this can't be your honest assessment of the mess we are in...

Who hired d'antoni and overpaid because he was scared the bulls would take him, while seriously believing leBron would like him?

Who traded away decent players for nothing, while all went on to being productive elsewhere (mainly Z-Bo Crawford and Lee)

Who gave Amare 40 million of uninsured dollars more than his home team?

What happened to our 2012 pick?

And yes Donnie iniated the Melo trade no matter who finished it, he started it.

Yep. Also, Denver wasn't not trading Anthony at the deadline so that they could get nothing for him and he could walk like LBJ and Bosh. Anthony wanted a new deal before the owners locked out the players and 'reigned in' free agency. If Anthony wasn't traded to the KNicks he goes somewhere else at the deadline, probably the Nets. Also, waiting and walking as a free agent would have cost Anthony 25 million dollars. The Nuggets and Anhtony were very motivated to move him at the deadline.

then shame forever on dolan for shoving walsh aside and making the trade. we were in the driver's seat. let melo go to brooklyn or let him twist in the wind. anything but this steaming pile we have to endure.

Yeah, imagine the backlash if the Knicks didn't dso the deal, and the team sits into eternal lotto, while the Nets improve.

Either way, Walsh was gonna do the deal, he phucked up every other deal by paying 110% of value by showing his hand by telling the WORLD what his plans were.

the point i am making eludes you and the many fans who are stubbornly like-minded: carmelo DOES NOT IMPROVE any team he goes to as the central piece! when is that going to sink in?!? who cares if the nets get him? good! he is just another iso player who doesn't defend and doesn't facilitate. he was denver's headache and he could have been brooklyn's.

there would have been backlash from the ignorant and unworthy fans who don't know jack twiddly shyte about how to build a team. instead you got what you wanted: a career loser residing in msg who you can't build a team around because he is a chemistry killer.

your comment on walsh is as false as it is gratuitous. he gave away NOTHING. dolan is the culprit here as usual. my god

Walsh signed Amare to deal that no one else offered, when he could have offered the same deal Amare had on the table with PHX.

Walsh recruited LeBron the most gifted and athetic dude on the planet in a wheelchair.

Walsh traded an unprotect pick and a young asset to get an expirer no one wanted, and admitted he made a mistake because one year later he wound up scrambling to find what? A pick to use in the trade.

"I'll second-guess myself forever on that," Walsh said of including a 2012 first-round pick in the McGrady trade. "I've always wondered about that. I didn't like it when we did it."

Walsh traded Lee for doo-doo, and the main piece never suited up because he was career injured....Kelenna 'Buike.

Walsh traded players who became good players elsewhere

Walsh hired D'antoni.

Walsh was forced onto the Knicks.

After all that I dont blame Dolan one flipping bit.

I can find a bonfide link to every bit of this......Donnie was a royal phuck up.

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

JamesLin wrote:I'm not quite sure if you got the priority right, but..

Jimmy Dol made the big mistake, nobody else did. Melo got the money he wanted, and the hometown city he wanted. No mistake there. Walsh was rebuilding our team and the results? Just look at the Nuggets now, they're 1-2 superstars away from contention and they sure got the cap space for it next year. LeBron didn't come to the Knicks most likely because Delonte allegedly screwed his mom constantly (NY Post), and I doubt Walsh could stop that. There is nothing we can really do. Jimmy Dol already screwed us up for the next 3 years. Not sure what you really are trying to say... get rid of Jimmy Dol? Yes, you got that right, and just say it.

not sure what walsh had to do with this mess. this was all the doing of carmelo and James dolan.. Walsh from what I can remember was hesitant on this trade because it was too costly. Walsh always said.. " a player may be good at one price, but not at another".. He is no fool. he understood that carmelo was not good for us at that price.. So what did carmelo do? he asks to meet with the idiot dolan, who threw walsh to the side. I mean lets not be silly here.. walsh had nothing to do with this union... Carmelo got what he wanted.. Money and to play in NY.. winning really doesn't matter when it comes to guys like dolan and carmelo.. they have both proven that....

Threads like this crack me up.. as some of us so called haters, didn't like the trade from the start for various reasons.. but instead we were called gallo lovers, haters, etc...

All we got in this trade was Denvers problem.. Yes, carmelo was Denver's problem and they did a masterful job unloading it for max value... They are not 1-2 superstars away from contention, they are in contention now.. I don't get it with this "superstar away" stuff.. they are winning now.. they are one of the best teams in the league.... as a team, they are performing on a superstar level and that is all that matters....

Donnie Walsh laid the plans and supplied the murder weapon. He is an accomplice.

really? he laid the plans to this mess? really? where where you the past few years? this can't be your honest assessment of the mess we are in...

Who hired d'antoni and overpaid because he was scared the bulls would take him, while seriously believing leBron would like him?

Who traded away decent players for nothing, while all went on to being productive elsewhere (mainly Z-Bo Crawford and Lee)

Who gave Amare 40 million of uninsured dollars more than his home team?

What happened to our 2012 pick?

And yes Donnie iniated the Melo trade no matter who finished it, he started it.

Yep. Also, Denver wasn't not trading Anthony at the deadline so that they could get nothing for him and he could walk like LBJ and Bosh. Anthony wanted a new deal before the owners locked out the players and 'reigned in' free agency. If Anthony wasn't traded to the KNicks he goes somewhere else at the deadline, probably the Nets. Also, waiting and walking as a free agent would have cost Anthony 25 million dollars. The Nuggets and Anhtony were very motivated to move him at the deadline.

then shame forever on dolan for shoving walsh aside and making the trade. we were in the driver's seat. let melo go to brooklyn or let him twist in the wind. anything but this steaming pile we have to endure.

Yeah, imagine the backlash if the Knicks didn't dso the deal, and the team sits into eternal lotto, while the Nets improve.

Either way, Walsh was gonna do the deal, he phucked up every other deal by paying 110% of value by showing his hand by telling the WORLD what his plans were.

the point i am making eludes you and the many fans who are stubbornly like-minded: carmelo DOES NOT IMPROVE any team he goes to as the central piece! when is that going to sink in?!? who cares if the nets get him? good! he is just another iso player who doesn't defend and doesn't facilitate. he was denver's headache and he could have been brooklyn's.

there would have been backlash from the ignorant and unworthy fans who don't know jack twiddly shyte about how to build a team. instead you got what you wanted: a career loser residing in msg who you can't build a team around because he is a chemistry killer.

your comment on walsh is as false as it is gratuitous. he gave away NOTHING. dolan is the culprit here as usual. my god

Walsh entered the negotiation when he could have said no from the start, and that would have been that, but nope offered two of the youngins from the start which Denver turned there nose up to.

Walsh signed Amare to deal that no one else offered, when he could have offered the same deal Amare had on the table with PHX.

Walsh recruited LeBron the most gifted and athetic dude on the planet in a wheelchair.

Walsh traded an unprotect pick and a young asset to get an expirer no one wanted, and admitted he made a mistake because one year later he wound up scrambling to find what? A pick to use in the trade.

"I'll second-guess myself forever on that," Walsh said of including a 2012 first-round pick in the McGrady trade. "I've always wondered about that. I didn't like it when we did it."

Walsh traded Lee for doo-doo, and the main piece never suited up because he was career injured....Kelenna 'Buike.

Walsh traded players who became good players elsewhere

Walsh hired D'antoni.

Walsh was forced onto the Knicks.

After all that I dont blame Dolan one flipping bit.

I can find a bonfide link to every bit of this......Donnie was a royal phuck up.

all I can say is wow!!

The Dolan bit is the bait car, you fell for it.

Papabear wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Well Melo what did you want? You are one of my favorite players but you should have known that trading for you and giving up draft picks would destroy you chances for a championship.I new that you couldn't and wouldn't play with the Linsanity thing but if you wanted Lin back all you had to say is Dolan bring him back. Then find a way to play together. I bet you never played so hard in all your life than this season.The Nuggets seem so far to be the winners but they are about as far as they can go and they are not going to the finals. It's too late now and in my opinion we will have to rebuild. Now another big mistake was fools gold. That is bringing in Amare for 100 million. We should have given him 3 years with an opt out on both sides. The third year at 15 million. The option years at 15 million Total of 75 million. Walsh he blew up the teams for nothing but cap space and no LeBron. I do believe that the LeBron that you see in Miami today would not have been the same lebron in New York. New York is a tough town to play in.
Now we are stuck with the Amare contract and now Melo must decide what does he want? Oh I believe Melo will get a ring if he really wants one but we must get rid of Woody and his sidekick JR Smith. Smith is not a smart player. He is a pot luck player. And won't share the ball. Novak is a big disappointment and my question is why can't we defend 3 point shooters like other team defend us. I really think that Woody's defences and that criss crossing defense makes an old team like ours more tired. We have no shooters forget the defense lack of you still have to make shots. And what makes felton think he's a shooter he is taking shots like he think he is Wade. I've come to the conclusion that it is nothing we can really do. We are stuck. Well Melo you took the money and so did Amare and so did Chandler and Novak I'm not saying you should not have but if you really want a ring in todays NBA since the LeBron, Wade and Bosh deal you will have to sacrifice point blank. Our only hope is to go way over the cape for two season and pray that Amare comes back.

that statement right there is not only delusional, but confusing... You make it seem, if winning a ring is as easy as going to the store and buying a pair of Nike sneakers... You believe he will get a ring if he really wants wants One.. so what you are saying is he never really wanted one.. which leads me to this question..

Why do you like and root for this guy????!!!!

and blame JR smith all you want.. I honestly don't like him at all, but the guy seems to play with more heart than carmelo and he actually does give more effort on defense.. and truth be told, He probably is responsible for more wins this year than carmelo..

I have to agree with this papabear. What you said doesnt make too much sense.

Papabear Says

Think man Think! If Melo wanted to win a ring he could and will. Maybe not with the Knicks but maybe with LeBron Or the Mavericks or OKC or the Lakers. When Melo Played with other superstars like in the Olympics he played team ball. He would be a great fit with the Bulls. So don't tell me he can't win a ring. He would take a pay cut and he would do it. Remember Melo was a winner all his life. NCAA champ and MVP you can hate him all you want. I don't hate him I'm a fan and I root for Melo. However I don't like whats going on now.