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misterearl
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3/13/2013  3:15 PM
The Wayback Machine Do Over For All Time, End Of Story, Amen.

Over the wishes of front office types who prefer the big name, Donnie Walsh hires Mark Jackson

After an injury to Chris Duhon, an unknown guard named Jeremy Lin is auditioned, as a pure bit of serendipity on the part of Head Coach Mark Jackson
Matt Barnes/ Trevor Ariza never left
Gallo stays, he plays the three
David Lee, over the protests of fans who want a big name, is signed to a max deal
Tyson Chandler, seeing the possibilities, is convinced by Mark Jackson to visit NYC over dinner

Wilson Chandler grows into the most dynamic sixth man in the history of the NBA
Zach Randolph is signed to the other max deal. Fans complain about his salary. He goes to the all star game three years in a row.

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3/13/2013  3:58 PM
misterearl wrote:The Wayback Machine Do Over For All Time, End Of Story, Amen.

Over the wishes of front office types who prefer the big name, Donnie Walsh hires Mark Jackson

After an injury to Chris Duhon, an unknown guard named Jeremy Lin is auditioned, as a pure bit of serendipity on the part of Head Coach Mark Jackson
Matt Barnes/ Trevor Ariza never left
Gallo stays, he plays the three
David Lee, over the protests of fans who want a big name, is signed to a max deal
Tyson Chandler, seeing the possibilities, is convinced by Mark Jackson to visit NYC over dinner

Wilson Chandler grows into the most dynamic sixth man in the history of the NBA
Zach Randolph is signed to the other max deal. Fans complain about his salary. He goes to the all star game three years in a row.

that's an interesting fantasy-- no dolan involvement.

but if you are going to have fun why not base it in some real events? why not try again and this time put yourself in walsh's shoes, who has a mandate from stern himself to clean up the poo-poo that dolan and isaiah created by doing roster flush? you know... "they are not a model of intelligent management" that stern spoke about?

so you are tacitly forced by the commissioner to clean house, misterearl.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
misterearl
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3/13/2013  4:06 PM
Blame it on the boogie

dk7th - why do you think Donnie resigned?

Mark Jackson would have been fun.

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3/13/2013  5:18 PM
misterearl wrote:Blame it on the boogie

dk7th - why do you think Donnie resigned?

Mark Jackson would have been fun.

it's part of human nature that a lesser man cannot tolerate the presence of his superiors because the superior men will remind the lesser man of his inferiority. so the lesser man is sure to hire men of equal or lesser stature to himself. in dolan's case he was forced to take on a superior man in donnie walsh. as soon as there was an opportunity to undermine walsh, dolan did that. as soon as walsh was up for a new contract dolan made it clear that he wasn't about that life. walsh gracefully bowed out without casting aspersions on his inferior, only to resurface and come out of his "retirement" to be back with indiana.

he resigned because an inferior man could not abide his presence.

mark jackson would have been fun. you could tell from his commentary on television, working with breen and van gundy, that he'd be a successful leader of men. jackson reminds me a great deal of doc rivers, whom i have an abiding affection for, and is one of my favorite nba coaches.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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3/13/2013  7:41 PM
dk7th wrote:
misterearl wrote:Blame it on the boogie

dk7th - why do you think Donnie resigned?

Mark Jackson would have been fun.

it's part of human nature that a lesser man cannot tolerate the presence of his superiors because the superior men will remind the lesser man of his inferiority. so the lesser man is sure to hire men of equal or lesser stature to himself. in dolan's case he was forced to take on a superior man in donnie walsh. as soon as there was an opportunity to undermine walsh, dolan did that. as soon as walsh was up for a new contract dolan made it clear that he wasn't about that life. walsh gracefully bowed out without casting aspersions on his inferior, only to resurface and come out of his "retirement" to be back with indiana.

he resigned because an inferior man could not abide his presence.

mark jackson would have been fun. you could tell from his commentary on television, working with breen and van gundy, that he'd be a successful leader of men. jackson reminds me a great deal of doc rivers, whom i have an abiding affection for, and is one of my favorite nba coaches.

Walsh was asked to take a large pay cut. It was as close to a firing/moving on move by an owner that could be made without actually firing him. Dolan was pushed to hire someone to replace Isiah and I always thought that Walsh was chosen because he had a fondness for Isiah and wouldn't embarace him when he was fazed out. As far as Walsh being undermined by Dolan, I disagree. Walsh went to great extremes to try and make the D'Antoni hire work and made moves that were more coachcentric then good basketball moves. Dolan did not interfere with any of it. Dolan didn't balk at signing Amare to an uninsured contract. If telling Walsh to go ahead and include Moz to get a 26 year old superstar was undermining Walsh then he did the right thing.
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3/13/2013  8:41 PM
Nalod wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
MS wrote:The team doesn't really have a promising future that's why most are unhappy.

Let's take into consideration. The owner raised ticket prices 6% this season. The team has accomplished ****. They haven't won a playoff series, hell they haven't won two games. Chandler is a nice player, but his impact is far overblown. When you have an injury disaster like Amare you don't use you're amnesty on Billups. Dolan brings up the luxury tax for not signing Lin, count the payoffs to Billups, Anucha, Curry, James, Larry Brown, Chaney, Dantoni. It's just embarrasing.

Denver doesn't miss Melo. They added Faried and a couple of solid roll players they shouldn't be better than the Knicks if Melo is really a superstar.

If Melo wanted to get paid so badly they should have let him go to the Nets with Rip Hamilton and a couple of other broken down players. That's all you need to know about the guy, if he took that deal in order to get his money.

Gallo, may not be an all world talent, but right now he is the piece this team needs, likewise with Wilson. You could have paid the luxury tax and signed them all getting melo as a free agent.

At the end of the day, the Knicks have sucked for years. Will they get out of the first round no one knows. But, what we do know is that if the Knicks had just kept all their talent Lee, Zach, Gallo, Chandler, Jamal, whatever picks they had that team would have likely been better than the current team now. Lee is better than Chandler/Amare and we could have locked him up cheap, but Walsh waited and balked at 8MM. So fans would love to be proved wrong, but more often than not we are always proved right.

You said it. Knicks have sucked for years, with all of those players you mentioned, and since getting Melo we haven't sucked, we have been a playoff team and continue to be.

+1 billion

Lower expectations equal a happier UK community. I don't recall folks yelling "ECF or DIE!" with all those great players we lost. But maybe they are yelling that thinking about all those now invisible draft picks we gave away. Especially since the Knicks have had such a great track record in the first round, but let's not think about that. Think about who YOU would have drafted, now that it's 3-4 years later!

Yeah people would be happier making the first round with Gallo than the 2nd round with Melo, you are right.

See "Opportunity cost".........Its not gallo vs. melo.

Eh what a concept...

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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