Stop the madness.

JamesKPolk wrote:holfresh is a sad human being. Trying to prop up mediocre Woodson as some excellent coach because he was screaming and yelling about how awful D'Antoni was and how much better Woodson was when in the end Woodson has turned into another D'Antoni. Now he's just trying to save face with some BS about a mediocre coach.

And you talk about clowns.

Keep supporting Dolan, Isiah, Marbury and now Woodson. You sure choose them well.

JamesKPolk - enough with the personal vendetta. holfresh stated an opinion. Same as you.

Do you consider Glen Grunwald a failure?

Anyone suggesting the firing of Mike Woodson should also be an advocate of firing the man who hired him.

And the man who hired him.

Get real.

Truth is we've played very well and our record shows for it. When we want to, we can put up a show. It has happened since Woody has been the coach.

But its also truth we've been mediocre after a blistering start this season. We would be a .500 team without that start. Its true the team has motivation and focus deficiencies. Defense, Woody's supposed bread and butter, has been mediocre. Lately we can't beat contenders, even if our team is supposed to be built for the playoffs and for that matter, for matchups like those. And in those many losses, we've shown deficiencies making in-game adjustments and calling the right offensive plays. Iso basketball won't get you anywhere in the playoffs, ask Woody's Hawlks.

So while it is fair to give Woody props for his record, its also fair to express concerns about many aspects of his coaching.

We'll see what happens in the playoffs, but the road to them has been mostly mediocre.

So while it is fair to give Woody props for his record, its also fair to express concerns about many aspects of his coaching.

knicksfan - concerns about his coaching? You mean like the tshirts he wears to practice? Yes, he was popped for a tshirt at practice. Dissension in the locker room? How he looks on television? Not enough minutes for (insert name here)?

The false equivalency of balancing a superior record with individual opinion is utterly and completely bogus.

Your mind-numbing measure of "equal" would only hold water if Mike Woodson won equally as he lost.

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holfresh wrote:Results gents, results...Lets say u have a job where your boss gives u a budget to make 10 mil selling product X in a given year...U start out the gates burning rubber by making 7 mil in the first 3 months...Next nine months u make 4 mil..So your pace slowed but u made budget...The boss should fire you because u didn't keep up the pace no one expected u to produce profit at in the first place???..U guys kidding me???

the criteria for excellence just got raised. Nationally televised games? 50 wins? Eastern Conference contender? A championship in his first season?

The world is not enough.

misterearl wrote:Fair and Balanced? Where have I heard that before?

So while it is fair to give Woody props for his record, its also fair to express concerns about many aspects of his coaching.

knicksfan - concerns about his coaching? You mean like the tshirts he wears to practice? Yes, he was popped for a tshirt at practice. Dissension in the locker room? How he looks on television? Not enough minutes for (insert name here)?

The false equivalency of balancing a superior record with individual opinion is utterly and completely bogus.

Your mind-numbing measure of "equal" would only hold water if Mike Woodson won equally as he lost.

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Is that the best you have, earl? Making fun of my post by suggesting those ridiculous aspects of the game?

So if you don't agree, you just make fun of others? Kinda bullish, don't you think?

misterearl wrote:Knicksfan - read the post again. In your haste to defend yourself, you missed the point entirely.

Nor did your rebuttal hold any root beer.

Dude, the only point you made was a straw man. Instead of responding to points made by Knicksfan and others in this thread you reach back to some ridiculous point that you claim someone else made months ago to create a false equivalence between the complaints. If you have no problem with the lineups, the minute distribution, and the play-calling, especially at the end of games, then SAY THAT. But your straw man arguments only derail threads and don't move the discussion forward any.

misterearl wrote:Absolutely

holfresh wrote:Results gents, results...Lets say u have a job where your boss gives u a budget to make 10 mil selling product X in a given year...U start out the gates burning rubber by making 7 mil in the first 3 months...Next nine months u make 4 mil..So your pace slowed but u made budget...The boss should fire you because u didn't keep up the pace no one expected u to produce profit at in the first place???..U guys kidding me???

the criteria for excellence just got raised. Nationally televised games? 50 wins? Eastern Conference contender? A championship in his first season?

The world is not enough.

rick carlisle was fired after b2b 50 win seasons in detroit, doug collins got smoked after reaching the ecf with the bulls. may be some behind the scenes or even open issues with those situations that lead to those moves, however, can anyone be surprised if the knicks went a diff direction next year?

cant say i would be shocked if he stays or goes. they make a decent playoff run, you would figure that ends the talk for a bit... you would figure...

sidsanders wrote:

misterearl wrote:Absolutely

holfresh wrote:Results gents, results...Lets say u have a job where your boss gives u a budget to make 10 mil selling product X in a given year...U start out the gates burning rubber by making 7 mil in the first 3 months...Next nine months u make 4 mil..So your pace slowed but u made budget...The boss should fire you because u didn't keep up the pace no one expected u to produce profit at in the first place???..U guys kidding me???

the criteria for excellence just got raised. Nationally televised games? 50 wins? Eastern Conference contender? A championship in his first season?

The world is not enough.

rick carlisle was fired after b2b 50 win seasons in detroit, doug collins got smoked after reaching the ecf with the bulls. may be some behind the scenes or even open issues with those situations that lead to those moves, however, can anyone be surprised if the knicks went a diff direction next year?

cant say i would be shocked if he stays or goes. they make a decent playoff run, you would figure that ends the talk for a bit... you would figure...

With Carlisle I read that he rubbed his players the wrong way despite his record with his last two teams before joining the Mavs. He seemed to have learned his lesson and became better at managing personalities. I don't believe that's the case so much with Woodson.

All I care about is what kind of job Woodson does in the playoffs. Regular season wins are important but they don't mean anything if the coach doesn't step up his game while telling his players to do likewise.

If Woodson does a good job of coaching in the playoffs, making adjustments, timely substitutions, then he should be brought back, even if they don't go deep. If he has another subpar performance in the playoffs then I'd like to see who else is out there. If they can't find someone they believe can take them further then they should let Woodson stay.

knicks1248 wrote:Who ever thinks woodsons is better then MDA is sleep walking..woodson hand pick this roster.

Im sure Lin and nash and felton would be here..melo and MDA would have had iron everything out over the summer and we would have been somewhere around 45 wins thus far..

melo looked great during the olympics under mda..

No to woodson

isnt that used a bit much without the context he was also playing with the best guys around? he didnt/doesnt have that now. carmelo + dantoni coached knicks team had a result of 32-37, 0 playoff wins. not sure those 2 are a match outside of international competition.

too many if's to say what they might have done/been. heck, if lin doesnt blow up, dantoni might have been fired before he quit. who knows.

sidsanders wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Who ever thinks woodsons is better then MDA is sleep walking..woodson hand pick this roster.

Im sure Lin and nash and felton would be here..melo and MDA would have had iron everything out over the summer and we would have been somewhere around 45 wins thus far..

melo looked great during the olympics under mda..

No to woodson

isnt that used a bit much without the context he was also playing with the best guys around? he didnt/doesnt have that now. carmelo + dantoni coached knicks team had a result of 32-37, 0 playoff wins. not sure those 2 are a match outside of international competition.

too many if's to say what they might have done/been. heck, if lin doesnt blow up, dantoni might have been fired before he quit. who knows.

Not might have. Dantoni would have been fired if not for linsanity