CrushAlot wrote:3G is Moz the center you are referring to when you said we got our center? The guy didn't play for most of his rookie year with the Knicks. He had a rebirth of sorts two weeks before the trade deadline when Stat and Shawne were both out but implying that he was the center of the future is a bit far fetched.

farfetched in that D'Antoni did not use him according to expectations but did he fill the need of not having a Center...Yes. Also wasn't he the reason the Nugz agreed to a deal?.....lol

Had he been played like he should have he would have been our center for the duration of his contract. Remember the hype behind signing him and fans chronicling his international play that summer?

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earthmansurfer wrote:It is worth noting that Morey was mentored by Walsh. Walsh was a patient guy and he really turned this team around (as he is now doing in Indiana, though he walked into a great situation there). Walsh was going in a great direction and I really really wonder what this team would be right now had he "stayed".

I do think we did the Melo deal all wrong, but I also think Melo did the Melo deal all wrong. Both parties are to blame, but not Walsh, this was a Dolan deal, clearly.

We have a very good team IF we can get past the injuries. But, if Melo had just come here and we still had Lin along with some key guys in the trade (Gallo - would be our #2, Chandler - injured, but could be a #2 also, Moz - good big body, picks) right now, we might have the strongest team in the NBA with the deepest bench. We might have even had Harden on this team. Either way, we would have a GREAT #2 in Gallo which right now we have who? We don't have a #2 in the starting lineup.

I do like our team, but I think it is a fraction of what it could have been. It has been a painful year for all kinds of Knick fans but the real worry comes in the postseason. This postseason is make or break, straw that breaks the camels back, etc. This is basically our year, maybe if cards fall the right way we can pick up some good players next year. But, we still need a great #2 and we are capped out.

I don't think Morey worked with Walsh I think you are thinking of Kahn in Minny. Also, Morey raked Walsh over the coals with the McGrady trade and I don't see how he gets a lot of credit in Indy at this point. He was hired three days before the draft and may have been the guy that pushed for the Pacers to draft Plumlee. I am not aware of any other moves that he has been involved in since getting hired there last June.

Walsh gets credit for hiring Pritchard who has helped stabilize/solidify their team at this time. Which begs to question did he ever try and get Pritchard here because all I recall is him trying to nudge Mullin in? Which suggest to me the Warkentein hire along with Grunny were external to Walsh.

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Knixkik wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:It is worth noting that Morey was mentored by Walsh. Walsh was a patient guy and he really turned this team around (as he is now doing in Indiana, though he walked into a great situation there). Walsh was going in a great direction and I really really wonder what this team would be right now had he "stayed".

I do think we did the Melo deal all wrong, but I also think Melo did the Melo deal all wrong. Both parties are to blame, but not Walsh, this was a Dolan deal, clearly.

We have a very good team IF we can get past the injuries. But, if Melo had just come here and we still had Lin along with some key guys in the trade (Gallo - would be our #2, Chandler - injured, but could be a #2 also, Moz - good big body, picks) right now, we might have the strongest team in the NBA with the deepest bench. We might have even had Harden on this team. Either way, we would have a GREAT #2 in Gallo which right now we have who? We don't have a #2 in the starting lineup.

I do like our team, but I think it is a fraction of what it could have been. It has been a painful year for all kinds of Knick fans but the real worry comes in the postseason. This postseason is make or break, straw that breaks the camels back, etc. This is basically our year, maybe if cards fall the right way we can pick up some good players next year. But, we still need a great #2 and we are capped out.

People forget that we probably wouldn't have been able to keep Gallo and Wilson Chandler as well as get Tyson Chandler. I agree that if Melo would've come here as a free agent it would've been better, but then you get into the discussion on how many people would actually leave all that money on the table Melo would've had to if he didn't get the extension.

People forget about all of that. We wouldn't have had a chance a Chandler, and would have had to pay all these guys. We would have been at a dead end. I would rather pay T Chandler than Gallo and W Chandler. We got Felton back at a discount good or bad. The idea that the trade "stripped us of all assets" is a very inaccurate and mindless statement because those assets were about to get paid and no longer be assets. It's the only easy-out statement that Melo trade haters have left. Melo is no longer Mr .047 or whatever people called him and the depth was replenished. I think it is time to give it up.

So, you mean to tell me we couldn't have done better? Instead of giving up all those guys in the Melo trade we could have traded them for a better package or later for a talent like Harden. We also could have kept one of them to solidify our team plus Moz as he is cheap and a big body.

Likewise, I don't think it is as cut and dry as you are making it out to be. Walsh, by many accounts, didn't want to do the Melo trade. As of right now, it is very debatable who is better - us or Houston. They definitely have a brighter future than us.

I think Walsh makes the melo trade even though moz was reported as being the player that had him waffling on the move. He reportedly was in the same position the previous year with the mcgrady trade. He didn't want to include an almost unprotected pick and the Knicks lottery pick from that past draft but eventually did so that he could have the cap space to sign another star. Morey showed other gms how desperate Walsh was and how you could get him to overpay to achieve his goal.

earthmansurfer wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:It is worth noting that Morey was mentored by Walsh. Walsh was a patient guy and he really turned this team around (as he is now doing in Indiana, though he walked into a great situation there). Walsh was going in a great direction and I really really wonder what this team would be right now had he "stayed".

I do think we did the Melo deal all wrong, but I also think Melo did the Melo deal all wrong. Both parties are to blame, but not Walsh, this was a Dolan deal, clearly.

We have a very good team IF we can get past the injuries. But, if Melo had just come here and we still had Lin along with some key guys in the trade (Gallo - would be our #2, Chandler - injured, but could be a #2 also, Moz - good big body, picks) right now, we might have the strongest team in the NBA with the deepest bench. We might have even had Harden on this team. Either way, we would have a GREAT #2 in Gallo which right now we have who? We don't have a #2 in the starting lineup.

I do like our team, but I think it is a fraction of what it could have been. It has been a painful year for all kinds of Knick fans but the real worry comes in the postseason. This postseason is make or break, straw that breaks the camels back, etc. This is basically our year, maybe if cards fall the right way we can pick up some good players next year. But, we still need a great #2 and we are capped out.

People forget that we probably wouldn't have been able to keep Gallo and Wilson Chandler as well as get Tyson Chandler. I agree that if Melo would've come here as a free agent it would've been better, but then you get into the discussion on how many people would actually leave all that money on the table Melo would've had to if he didn't get the extension.

People forget about all of that. We wouldn't have had a chance a Chandler, and would have had to pay all these guys. We would have been at a dead end. I would rather pay T Chandler than Gallo and W Chandler. We got Felton back at a discount good or bad. The idea that the trade "stripped us of all assets" is a very inaccurate and mindless statement because those assets were about to get paid and no longer be assets. It's the only easy-out statement that Melo trade haters have left. Melo is no longer Mr .047 or whatever people called him and the depth was replenished. I think it is time to give it up.

So, you mean to tell me we couldn't have done better? Instead of giving up all those guys in the Melo trade we could have traded them for a better package or later for a talent like Harden. We also could have kept one of them to solidify our team plus Moz as he is cheap and a big body.

Likewise, I don't think it is as cut and dry as you are making it out to be. Walsh, by many accounts, didn't want to do the Melo trade. As of right now, it is very debatable who is better - us or Houston. They definitely have a brighter future than us.

You're letting your bias judge the trade. Who's to say that we could have done better? How do you know "ok this is the perfect deal and nothing better will come along". Every trade is a risk. If you think Harden is better and can guarantee they would've traded him to us instead of Houston then that's your opinion. I still think Melo is a better player than Harden.

At some point this franchise had to build a strong team. If people are of the opinion that we could have done better to compete with Miami in the East then come to me with examples. Dwight with a solid cast couldn't get anywhere after their finals appearance. Rose and the Bulls couldn't get past them. Indiana has no chance against them. And the Knicks might be in the same boat, but we are able to compete with them and enjoy the game. If this team was a one round and out type of team, I'd agree that it wasn't worth it. And yes, the last 2 years we've been one and done but have dealt with injuries at the worst times. But I have faith we're going to make a solid post season run. And I'm going to enjoy it and I'm going to enjoy Melo as long as he continues to play team ball.