CrushAlot wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:dk7th wrote:CashMoney wrote:dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Why don't you hate the blind 20% who line Dolan's pockets when he creates mediocre teams?
its called fandom Bonn and we all know that the very notion itself requires you to embrace a bit of insanity so, why would we or anyone expect fans to makes sens or be logical
because otherwise they're part of the problem that's lining Dolan's pockets.
not to mention it's impossible to have a rational dialogue. i don't have to embrace the fanatical part of fandom until the team's proper direction, style of play, and substantive winning compels me to.
there is nothing compelling about this team and you can trace it back to two years ago to the day, with a nice ten-game stretch at the beginning of this season to the short-lived illusion.
i'm "not a real fan?"
how about this: "the knicks are not a real team"
So why are you a fan?
you have it backwards:
THE ONUS IS ON THEM TO BE A REAL TEAM FIRST.
Agreed. Some guys don't like us long term fans complaining.
Expressing yourself is key. Being a Fan is not being fanatic. I think the fanatics here got that backwards.
NOt a fanatic but I get awfully tired of the constant negativity. Stances that negative guys have pushed me to this year: I loved Lin when he was here. I can't stand hearing about the guy now and I don't think he did anything wrong. I hated Melo and the Melo trade but the constant negativity has made me a defender of his and I think the trade was a good one for the Knicks. There has been an influx of guys that seem to want to do nothing but bash the team and Melo in particular. I have a very hard time with that. The team has looked bad for awhile. The great start was a long time ago. I get that. The loss to Toronto and Indiana are two of the worst loses I can remember as a fan (other than playoff loses). I don't have an issue with people reacting to bad losses. I have an issue with guys trolling around waiting to say I told you so every time the Knicks lose or Gallo or Lin have a good game.
I can see your point but I also see most everyone's point. On the one hand the team has sucked for years, Dolan has ruined things, we could have gotten Melo for nothing, we let Lin walk for nothing (and now we need another PG says many), and on an on. On the other hand most of us have been fans for a while. We don't like negativity - I mean I doubt this many of us are in general negative people - the odds are just wrong. So, perhaps there is a bit of a black or white thing going on with us, all of us, seeing fans here as either extreme fanatics and the others as haters to a point. I understand both perspectives, just don't agree with trying to control any of it. If the board collapses from negativity then that will more than likely spread to the actual subscriptions and bottom line of the Knicks. And, that is a good thing imo as something needs to change.
Regarding Melo, same here. I hated him at first. As I said elsewhere, I like the guy now. I think he just doesn't have talent around him (and in large part due to how he got himself here.) and he is not of the type to do it alone, very few are. He was just about MVP on the all star team and at the olympics, I mean the guy can play, but not with this as-semblance of a team here. I think there are only a handful of guys that absolutely hate the team now and only one or two guys I can think of that use Stats to show what a great team we are and are extreme FANatics - trying to keep nothing but positive. Optimists and Pessimists are the same thing. I tend to be more an observers, a realist in a sense. I see what is happening here on the boards as a reflection of what we have been seeing for a while now. Just let it play itself out, just as the team is doing.
Being a fan isn't black or white as you and others have made it out to be, apparently. Many of us have cheered, including me, when things were just ok to great, depends on when and other factors. Right now, the boards speak for themselves (as does the country as a whole, funny coincidence, eh?). The problem is not us fans. Yes, the word fan comes from fanatic, but it is not a synonym, clearly most of us don't use it in that way. Again, just playing itself out...
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
2/22/2013 10:55 AM
, to root for the Rockets or Denver in the second round? 