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NYKBocker
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2/14/2013  11:57 AM
gunsnewing wrote:All my excitement about this team from early in the season is gone. We get Amare back and the offense actually goes backwards. No one moves without the ball. Woodson doesn't do anything about it. Tonight he clearly focused on the defense. Knicks came out of the gates better defensively but the offense is broken

I can't watch this if Woodson keeps trotting out this pathetic starting 5 night in night out. Miss matches everywhere defensively, no shooters, no scoring inside with the exception of the lob to Tyson. No easy transition baskets. We are the slowest team in the league even with the small lineup

This is a downright disgrace. What a way to head into the allstar break. Not even going to bother watching our guys now.

Blow it up

I will try again in 2015

So you are feeling like this kid right now?

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2/14/2013  1:24 PM
Uptown wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:ared Zwerling ‏@JaredZwerling
Melo suffered a contusion on his right arm. Was bothering him all game. He said his play in the All-Star Game is in question

It never ceases to amaze me guys that are hurt especially with hand/arm/shoulder problems still manage to put up high volume of shots based on minutes played. If his arm was hurting that bad I would have expected more hockey assists facilitation on his part.

Speaking of which when is the last time we talked in depth about Melo's hockey assists?

good question..


Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ
I asked Melo why he kept shooting if his right arm was numb. He answered, then said, "You'd have to be a shooter to understand."

Sigh...
If your arm is bothering (hurting) you all game and your shot isn't falling, why not change your game some and try to work on setting others up and being a "decoy"? You don't shoot your way through contusions. Don't mean to be critical, but that quote sort of irks me.
Come on Melo, get back to that smart play of earlier in the year. Critical part of the schedule coming up, we need the head back in the game.

There were 2 plays in paricular that I remember. Melo had the all top of the key and ran PNR with Chandler. After rubbing off the pick, Melo darted towards the lane and kicked it out to Kidd. Kidd wnated nothing to do with it and swung it right back to Melo on thw wing. 7 seconds were remaining on the shot clock. so what was Melo supposed to do in that situation when the only other scorer on the court was JR, and he was on the weakside?
The other play was very similar, PNR, Melo kicked it out, somehow Chandler ended up with it about 10 feet from the basket and wanted no parts of it so we kicked it to Kidd who swung it back to Melo, again with the shot clock running down. Again, what was Melo supposed to do with the ball?


Damn, I never bring this stuff up because it feels like I'm crazy when I watch the game and read the usually non-descript "move the ball Melo" and passes goes from:
Melo to .20% shooter MVP to Chandler on a busted screen because kidd can move and score, back to .30% shoot shumps and back to Melo.(example)

There are 4 legitimate scorers on this roster, 2 of them are streaky and 1 is a big that needs to be set up or post, where is this ball movement suppose to come from??? Most of the roster is very easy to guard.

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2/14/2013  5:50 PM
Anji wrote:
Uptown wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:ared Zwerling ‏@JaredZwerling
Melo suffered a contusion on his right arm. Was bothering him all game. He said his play in the All-Star Game is in question

It never ceases to amaze me guys that are hurt especially with hand/arm/shoulder problems still manage to put up high volume of shots based on minutes played. If his arm was hurting that bad I would have expected more hockey assists facilitation on his part.

Speaking of which when is the last time we talked in depth about Melo's hockey assists?

good question..


Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ
I asked Melo why he kept shooting if his right arm was numb. He answered, then said, "You'd have to be a shooter to understand."

Sigh...
If your arm is bothering (hurting) you all game and your shot isn't falling, why not change your game some and try to work on setting others up and being a "decoy"? You don't shoot your way through contusions. Don't mean to be critical, but that quote sort of irks me.
Come on Melo, get back to that smart play of earlier in the year. Critical part of the schedule coming up, we need the head back in the game.

There were 2 plays in paricular that I remember. Melo had the all top of the key and ran PNR with Chandler. After rubbing off the pick, Melo darted towards the lane and kicked it out to Kidd. Kidd wnated nothing to do with it and swung it right back to Melo on thw wing. 7 seconds were remaining on the shot clock. so what was Melo supposed to do in that situation when the only other scorer on the court was JR, and he was on the weakside?
The other play was very similar, PNR, Melo kicked it out, somehow Chandler ended up with it about 10 feet from the basket and wanted no parts of it so we kicked it to Kidd who swung it back to Melo, again with the shot clock running down. Again, what was Melo supposed to do with the ball?


Damn, I never bring this stuff up because it feels like I'm crazy when I watch the game and read the usually non-descript "move the ball Melo" and passes goes from:
Melo to .20% shooter MVP to Chandler on a busted screen because kidd can move and score, back to .30% shoot shumps and back to Melo.(example)

There are 4 legitimate scorers on this roster, 2 of them are streaky and 1 is a big that needs to be set up or post, where is this ball movement suppose to come from??? Most of the roster is very easy to guard.

I didn't say to just move the ball and find the open man, did I? I'm saying when you have Melo's talent you need to do more, you find a way. If your outside shot is off due to an arm contusion then take it inside again and again. Melo is great there and we have a good rebounder in Tyson to help grab the boards and put the misses back in. Clearly Melo is not a bad passer. He takes too many bad shots for my blood and would love to see the ball movement come back - when he was taking much much better shots overall. (Though he hasn't been that bad, but was starting to revert back a bit).

I'm saying he is the leader of this team, a top 5 to 10 player in the league and he needs to play like one. We are talking about Toronto and Gay was off as well. We are playing like crap and early in the season many of us said lets just see if we can keep up the crazy shooting and see if the old folks stay healthy. As expected, unfortunately, we couldn't keep up that play and injuries compounded things, badly. Also, as beaten with a stick, it was STUPID to let Lin go for this very reason - too much pressure on Melo to do everything (and Kidd looks like toast and Prigs - where is he?). I'm afraid we are witnessing THE breakdown many of us called early on imo, but I do hope this isn't really the case. It just seems like the flow of excuses that us Knick fans have come to know all too well, are once again upon us. Hopefully the all star break does us good. The old folks are close to returning, that can make a HUGE difference.

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2/14/2013  5:54 PM
Woodson needs to get these guys to move without the ball, cut to the basket

Watch every other team in the league. They do this all game. Knicks never do

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2/14/2013  5:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/14/2013  5:58 PM
I believe most of us has cut the team some slack because of our bad luck with injuries. I believe that's fair considering the start they had. At some point the Knicks coming out flat has to fall on the coach. I won't be in that camp until after the all star break, if at all. I just want to see how they play coming out of the break. If they still look flat then it would be fair IMO to ask why Woodson can't keep his players motivated?

In the end the real test is playoffs, that's how Woodson's tenure as coach should be judged.

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2/14/2013  6:38 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:ared Zwerling ‏@JaredZwerling
Melo suffered a contusion on his right arm. Was bothering him all game. He said his play in the All-Star Game is in question

It never ceases to amaze me guys that are hurt especially with hand/arm/shoulder problems still manage to put up high volume of shots based on minutes played. If his arm was hurting that bad I would have expected more hockey assists facilitation on his part.

Speaking of which when is the last time we talked in depth about Melo's hockey assists?

good question..


Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ
I asked Melo why he kept shooting if his right arm was numb. He answered, then said, "You'd have to be a shooter to understand."


Translation: You have to be clueless about the difference between good and bad shots to understand.

LOL, and the REAL MVP had 6 30-point games of shooting over 60%.
LEBRON: If I am open I shoot, if there's a guy on me I drive and if my teammates are open I pass the ball - It's a simple game. (Postgame interview)

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2/14/2013  10:10 PM
Wow I know NY fans have high expectations but considering we were in the freakin gutter for a decade I thought 2nd in the east was something to cheer about...
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2/14/2013  10:14 PM
Can't cheer about this team,

New York has a higher standard and they can spend to have the best players,

instead we get fugazy superstars

Why don't we have Paul and Howard right now? Because the guys running this joint are idiots,

where there is a will there is a way, Paul and Howard

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2/14/2013  10:15 PM
You know why Paul and Howard aren't coming here? And why LeBron didn't come? Because of Dolan and the way he mucks up the well
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2/15/2013  8:07 AM

Fans elevated Melo to savior status. The kid is what he is.

A great scorer. Lebron is a top 10 talent of all time. If not, the best of this generation. He is far ahead of anyone in this time.

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2/15/2013  8:24 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Woodson needs to get these guys to move without the ball, cut to the basket

Watch every other team in the league. They do this all game. Knicks never do


All you have to do is just watch the teams we play. Its crazy how the Knicks have no off ball activity.
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2/15/2013  8:36 AM
tj23 wrote:Wow I know NY fans have high expectations but considering we were in the freakin gutter for a decade I thought 2nd in the east was something to cheer about...

2nd place is nice but it doesn't make up for the fact that since beating Cleveland to go 18-5 our record is 14-13; since New Year's we're 11-8. In 3.5 months of NBA play we've been playing basically .500 ball for 2 months and with one of the easiest schedules in the league. According to Hollinger we've had the 4th easiest schedule in the NBA; basketball-reference.com says we've had the 2nd easiest schedule. After the AllStar break it's supposed to be getting much harder for us and if we're only playing .500 ball now what's going to happen next?

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2/15/2013  8:44 AM
IronWillGiroud wrote:You know why Paul and Howard aren't coming here? And why LeBron didn't come? Because of Dolan and the way he mucks up the well

and I here I thought it was because of the fickle fan base..

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2/15/2013  9:11 AM
Take kidd out of the starting line up, our shooting guard is avg less then 5 pts..were not winning sht like that.

What sense does that make,

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2/15/2013  9:13 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Take kidd out of the starting line up, our shooting guard is avg less then 5 pts..were not winning sht like that.

What sense does that make,


Kidd looks like he needs a 2 month rest
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2/15/2013  9:15 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Take kidd out of the starting line up, our shooting guard is avg less then 5 pts..were not winning sht like that.

What sense does that make,

Kidd & shump averaging 5pts and Tyson 9pts in the starting lineup is Melo's wet dream

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2/15/2013  10:41 AM
did you send this letter into the editors of Cosmo?
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2/15/2013  10:55 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Take kidd out of the starting line up, our shooting guard is avg less then 5 pts..were not winning sht like that.

What sense does that make,

Kidd & shump averaging 5pts and Tyson 9pts in the starting lineup is Melo's wet dream

I agree this lineup is ridiculous. No wonder Melo is leading the league in first quarter scoring. Woody liking iso Melo too much. The starting lineup shooting percentage is atrocious.

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2/15/2013  5:23 PM
All this doesn't matter. LB and the Heat will own the Knicks for years to come just like MJ all the Bulls did back in the day. We had a chance to build something great, but Dolan screwed it up. Was never excited about this roster and there's nothing to be excited about the future of this team. Dolan is an idiot and we'll never be more than that flashy team that can't get out the first round.
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2/15/2013  5:30 PM
ShellTopAdidas wrote:All this doesn't matter. LB and the Heat will own the Knicks for years to come just like MJ all the Bulls did back in the day. We had a chance to build something great, but Dolan screwed it up. Was never excited about this roster and there's nothing to be excited about the future of this team. Dolan is an idiot and we'll never be more than that flashy team that can't get out the first round.
Dolan has made many mistakes but when exactly did he sweep the Knicks from the threshold of greatness?
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