knickscity wrote:I will say one thing....if the Knicks can win 55 games with two starters in single digit scoring and under 40% shooting...that is one hell of a feat.

Kidd is not a starter for long. One can hope

fishmike wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

3G4G wrote:

fishmike wrote:12 games in Nov Kidd shot 51%...

By Month GP FG%
November 12 .509
December 14 .395
January 12 .382
February 6 .233

Remember when very few of us gauged the pulse of this team by what Kidd was doing and ascribed TEAM mvp consideration to him? Well every since his play has dropped off we've looked pretty suspect as a team regardless if Melo drops 40+ or scores 20-25.

yeah i remember that. i remember saying thank god kidd is in the backcourt covering the flaws of ray felton in terms of offensive cohesion. but then woody got desperate and had to play kidd over 30 minutes a game where he was clearly suited to 18 minutes maximum. the strain caught up with kidd and he has not been the same player since. that's what happens when you have an old team... players with skills and BBIQ break down and the team unravels.

Yeah trying to win games at ALL COSTS 15-20gms into the season is not necessarily the wisest thing to do but this is akin when D'Antoni ran Amar'e and Felton into the ground(playing them 40+ min on a regular basis) from mid Novemeber the mid January. Then the team as a whole was running on fumes hence Melo trade had to happen and Amar'e has experienced poor health every since. You can't coach teams like this trying to swing for the fences 1rst week of December, you're only asking for trouble down the road.

coaches job is to win games. IF guys arent playing well you have to ride the ones that are. Damned if you do damned if you dont. I can only imagine the reaction if Woody was losing some close games that Melo, Tyson and Felton (the only guys that contribute daily) only played 30ish minutes to keep down wear and tear. I think Woody knows the Knicks best chance in the playoffs comes with a higher seed. This isnt a kick it in gear group like the old Celtics who already won a title.

Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich and Doc Rivers and Thibs beg to differ just ask Kobe/Duncan/Ginobli/Shaq/Garnett/Rose how these coaches manage them when they projected out to May-June. They wanted their players fresh and healthy as possible. So if that meant cutting back minutes, not playing them at all, or taking as much time as possible for the player to return to the court that's what they did. It's completely asinine to run 40yr olds or players with a history of poor health into the ground because you want to be 15-0 in December. Trust.... I bet if the playoffs started today Derrick Rose would be playing big minutes and starting but he still hasn't practiced body-to-body yet...Thibs is okay with bunts, sacrifice flies, singles, doubles, maybe a triple whatever moves the runners to the next base. Would a Grand Slam be grand... of course but it's never a bad thing to make the pitcher work, so you can work the count for the next batter on deck..... until then he's(these coaches) are waiting until the Playoffs at a chance to go yard.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Lebron is playing ridiculous and even with that, I think because he is in Miami, its getting overlooked. Imagine if he was in NYC? His brand would be worth a Billion dollars! I think he made a big financial mistake in going to Miami. He would have won in NY too because he is that good. What he is missing is that notoriety that NYC would have given him. There is nothing like being a winner in NY

There is some truth to this but then again there isn't...When Lebron won last year he was automatically catapulted in the great as/could be greater than Jordan discussion by all in the media. That's simply with 1 chip(he's responsible for) in crappy Miami.

Alex Rodriguez never came close to Jeter status in New York after winning a WS

Eli has won 2 Superbowls in New York both very recent he still is Peyton's(Indiana most of his career) little brother, although he has 1 additional Lombardi Trophy.

I think sometimes it's blown out of proportion what winning in New York is like. For Lebron I do feel it would have been a very special thing more so because of who Lebron is and the stage and not because of the New York factor as a whole. The Miami vibe(lifestyle in general) and their team(he plays with Chris freakin Bosh) possibly hurts any additional attention he could receive....lol

Durant's in OKC(very small market) playing at an unconscious level, Melo is having a damn good year numberswise in NYC with a winning record but who is still considered widely the better player? Durant! Matter of fact Durant is so good in many circles he's considered better than Lebron...think about that for a second.

gunsnewing wrote:Ive never seen someone say durant is better than lebron. Durant is clearly #2

I have....don't know where you've been and the flip-flopping between the MVP race as to who's 1 and 2 is proving this.

dk7th wrote:

3G4G wrote:

fishmike wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

3G4G wrote:

fishmike wrote:12 games in Nov Kidd shot 51%...

By Month GP FG%
November 12 .509
December 14 .395
January 12 .382
February 6 .233

Remember when very few of us gauged the pulse of this team by what Kidd was doing and ascribed TEAM mvp consideration to him? Well every since his play has dropped off we've looked pretty suspect as a team regardless if Melo drops 40+ or scores 20-25.

yeah i remember that. i remember saying thank god kidd is in the backcourt covering the flaws of ray felton in terms of offensive cohesion. but then woody got desperate and had to play kidd over 30 minutes a game where he was clearly suited to 18 minutes maximum. the strain caught up with kidd and he has not been the same player since. that's what happens when you have an old team... players with skills and BBIQ break down and the team unravels.

Yeah trying to win games at ALL COSTS 15-20gms into the season is not necessarily the wisest thing to do but this is akin when D'Antoni ran Amar'e and Felton into the ground(playing them 40+ min on a regular basis) from mid Novemeber the mid January. Then the team as a whole was running on fumes hence Melo trade had to happen and Amar'e has experienced poor health every since. You can't coach teams like this trying to swing for the fences 1rst week of December, you're only asking for trouble down the road.

coaches job is to win games. IF guys arent playing well you have to ride the ones that are. Damned if you do damned if you dont. I can only imagine the reaction if Woody was losing some close games that Melo, Tyson and Felton (the only guys that contribute daily) only played 30ish minutes to keep down wear and tear. I think Woody knows the Knicks best chance in the playoffs comes with a higher seed. This isnt a kick it in gear group like the old Celtics who already won a title.

Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich and Doc Rivers and Thibs beg to differ just ask Kobe/Duncan/Ginobli/Shaq/Garnett/Rose how these coaches manage their players when they project out to May-June. They wanted their players fresh and healthy as possible. So if that meant cutting back minutes, not playing them at all or taking as much time as possible for the player to return to the court that's what they did. It's completely asinine to run 40yr olds or players with a history of poor health into the ground because you want to be 15-0 in December. Trust.... I bet if the playoffs started today Derrick Rose would be playing big minutes and starting but he still hasn't practiced body-to-body yet...Thibs is okay with bunts, sacrifice flies, singles, doubles, maybe a triple whatever moves the runners to the next base. Would a Grand Slam be grand of course but it's never a bad thing to make the pitcher work, so you can work the count for the next batter on deck until then he's wait until the Playoffs at a chance to go yard.

good analogy.

i have one as well: woodson is chasing cards hoping to hit on the river.

that can get costly.. lol

Tier Two
3. Chris Paul
4. Kevin Durant
5. Carmelo Anthony

Parker ahead of paul because i feel spurs are a stronger championship contender

With that said the spurs still win without parker. POPS and the system is that good. See pops makes the game simple and makes sure everyone on the roster understand their role. Its just a matter of plugging guys in. He is truly phenomenal. I will make the case he is a better coach than phil jackson until phil wins without jordan kobe and shaq

dk7th wrote:

3G4G wrote:

fishmike wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

3G4G wrote:

fishmike wrote:12 games in Nov Kidd shot 51%...

By Month GP FG%
November 12 .509
December 14 .395
January 12 .382
February 6 .233

Remember when very few of us gauged the pulse of this team by what Kidd was doing and ascribed TEAM mvp consideration to him? Well every since his play has dropped off we've looked pretty suspect as a team regardless if Melo drops 40+ or scores 20-25.

yeah i remember that. i remember saying thank god kidd is in the backcourt covering the flaws of ray felton in terms of offensive cohesion. but then woody got desperate and had to play kidd over 30 minutes a game where he was clearly suited to 18 minutes maximum. the strain caught up with kidd and he has not been the same player since. that's what happens when you have an old team... players with skills and BBIQ break down and the team unravels.

Yeah trying to win games at ALL COSTS 15-20gms into the season is not necessarily the wisest thing to do but this is akin when D'Antoni ran Amar'e and Felton into the ground(playing them 40+ min on a regular basis) from mid Novemeber the mid January. Then the team as a whole was running on fumes hence Melo trade had to happen and Amar'e has experienced poor health every since. You can't coach teams like this trying to swing for the fences 1rst week of December, you're only asking for trouble down the road.

coaches job is to win games. IF guys arent playing well you have to ride the ones that are. Damned if you do damned if you dont. I can only imagine the reaction if Woody was losing some close games that Melo, Tyson and Felton (the only guys that contribute daily) only played 30ish minutes to keep down wear and tear. I think Woody knows the Knicks best chance in the playoffs comes with a higher seed. This isnt a kick it in gear group like the old Celtics who already won a title.

Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich and Doc Rivers and Thibs beg to differ just ask Kobe/Duncan/Ginobli/Shaq/Garnett/Rose how these coaches manage their players when they project out to May-June. They wanted their players fresh and healthy as possible. So if that meant cutting back minutes, not playing them at all or taking as much time as possible for the player to return to the court that's what they did. It's completely asinine to run 40yr olds or players with a history of poor health into the ground because you want to be 15-0 in December. Trust.... I bet if the playoffs started today Derrick Rose would be playing big minutes and starting but he still hasn't practiced body-to-body yet...Thibs is okay with bunts, sacrifice flies, singles, doubles, maybe a triple whatever moves the runners to the next base. Would a Grand Slam be grand of course but it's never a bad thing to make the pitcher work, so you can work the count for the next batter on deck until then he's wait until the Playoffs at a chance to go yard.

good analogy.

i have one as well: woodson is chasing cards hoping to hit on the river.

Hey.. if folks dont expect Melo to be Lebron, why is Woody expected to be Jax or Pop?