tj23 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:sorry backdoor and pick n roll. It is maddening for a team that predicates itself on playing championship caliber defense

Sorry, Not sure what you're refering to. Novak is a solid and consistent pick and roll defender. Arguably the best on the team in that situation. If you meant something else, my apologies. I just assumed we were on the Novak debate here.

as a team i mean

gunsnewing wrote:

tj23 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:sorry backdoor and pick n roll. It is maddening for a team that predicates itself on playing championship caliber defense

Sorry, Not sure what you're refering to. Novak is a solid and consistent pick and roll defender. Arguably the best on the team in that situation. If you meant something else, my apologies. I just assumed we were on the Novak debate here.

as a team i mean

I wouldn't say he is a solid PnR defender but I will give him credit for hedging. However his lack of foot speed creates problems getting back.

Anji wrote:Really, Steven Novak is arguably the best pick and roll defender on the knicks.

LOL, come on, dude is the worst defender on the team hands down.

That's completely ignorant. You're bringing nothing to the discussion here.

tj23 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

tj23 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:sorry backdoor and pick n roll. It is maddening for a team that predicates itself on playing championship caliber defense

Sorry, Not sure what you're refering to. Novak is a solid and consistent pick and roll defender. Arguably the best on the team in that situation. If you meant something else, my apologies. I just assumed we were on the Novak debate here.

as a team i mean

I wouldn't say he is a solid PnR defender but I will give him credit for hedging. However his lack of foot speed creates problems getting back.

Exactly. But what other bigs even hedge or show on a screen? That's a problem. Tyson is allowing constant breakdowns when his man is setting the pick. Teams aren't going on a rampage against Novak. I've only seen a handful of times where teams have actually tried to space the floor and attack him.

I am with you and I made the comment a few weeks ago how if the other bigs show like he does it would be better although Amar'e tries it and has some success which leads to traps but when it doesn't he gets completely lost in rotation trying to find his man.

Melo doesn't really hedge but he switches and usually does a good job forcing the guard into a bad shot. It's interesting to which how many smaller guards struggle getting passed him. He will get caught back door but one on one he is a good defender.

Back to Novak there was an article about Novak a month or 2 back showing number comparable to Chandler in guarding the post and him being a good iso defender. Basically players try to attack Novak because they think he is a poor defender which leads them to force the issue. The numbers was based on synergy which tracks plays for the NBA.

yellowboy90 wrote:

tj23 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

tj23 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:sorry backdoor and pick n roll. It is maddening for a team that predicates itself on playing championship caliber defense

Sorry, Not sure what you're refering to. Novak is a solid and consistent pick and roll defender. Arguably the best on the team in that situation. If you meant something else, my apologies. I just assumed we were on the Novak debate here.

as a team i mean

I wouldn't say he is a solid PnR defender but I will give him credit for hedging. However his lack of foot speed creates problems getting back.

Exactly. But what other bigs even hedge or show on a screen? That's a problem. Tyson is allowing constant breakdowns when his man is setting the pick. Teams aren't going on a rampage against Novak. I've only seen a handful of times where teams have actually tried to space the floor and attack him.

I am with you and I made the comment a few weeks ago how if the other bigs show like he does it would be better although Amar'e tries it and has some success which leads to traps but when it doesn't he gets completely lost in rotation trying to find his man.

Melo doesn't really hedge but he switches and usually does a good job forcing the guard into a bad shot. It's interesting to which how many smaller guards struggle getting passed him. He will get caught back door but one on one he is a good defender.

Back to Novak there was an article about Novak a month or 2 back showing number comparable to Chandler in guarding the post and him being a good iso defender. Basically players try to attack Novak because they think he is a poor defender which leads them to force the issue. The numbers was based on synergy which tracks plays for the NBA.

Sangfroid wrote:

tj23 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

tj23 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:sorry backdoor and pick n roll. It is maddening for a team that predicates itself on playing championship caliber defense

Sorry, Not sure what you're refering to. Novak is a solid and consistent pick and roll defender. Arguably the best on the team in that situation. If you meant something else, my apologies. I just assumed we were on the Novak debate here.

as a team i mean

I wouldn't say he is a solid PnR defender but I will give him credit for hedging. However his lack of foot speed creates problems getting back.

Exactly. But what other bigs even hedge or show on a screen? That's a problem. Tyson is allowing constant breakdowns when his man is setting the pick. Teams aren't going on a rampage against Novak. I've only seen a handful of times where teams have actually tried to space the floor and attack him.

Everyone seems to have overlooked the initial penetration from the opposing PG's. They lose their man early, are able to penetrate, and then either put up the teardrop, the baby jumper, dish for the assist or go all the way to the rim for a layup. Truly maddening. The return of Shump has not alleviated this problem. Too often, we see that blank look, the one that comes after the guard has scored. I don't have the solution, yet. Clyde suggests straight up man to man D, no switches. No more center getting caught on the switch, letting the guards getting taken by big men on mismatches, or blown pass by the speedy guards with the ball.

I agree with Clyde but that would go against everything Woodson believes in

D'Antoni barely gets us too the playoffs he gets a 4 year pass.

Gotta love the message boards.

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:2nd best record in the East and dudes are complaining about Woodson.

D'Antoni barely gets us too the playoffs he gets a 4 year pass.

Gotta love the message boards.

perspective, give it a try.

I have perspective. I'm just voicing my pinion like everyone else.

AnubisADL wrote:2nd best record in the East and dudes are complaining about Woodson.

D'Antoni barely gets us too the playoffs he gets a 4 year pass.

Gotta love the message boards.

Expectations. D'antoni got creamed for most of his time because the roster changes were massive.

With the pieces in place and 18-5 start the expectations were higher.

Nalod don't call for coach's heads because its usualln not the root cause.

Woodson is doing a great job, this is just not a great team.