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gunsnewing
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2/9/2013  10:31 AM
How is Dudley defensively? Probably terrible which is why PHX is trading him for Shump
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2/9/2013  10:33 AM
knickscity wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'd give up shumpert in 2 seconds for Dudley. U have 2n kidding any other way

Exactly. Either we're all in for this year or going to rebuild. And based on the composition of the roster, all in right now would make more sense.
Either way, I don't think Shumpert will ever be as good as Dudley is right now.

Guys, when did Dudley become a world beater? He is a very good role playing SF. Shumpert is a good role playing SG right now. You get rid of Shump and we are right back to giving Kidd major minutes and having to play Brewer.

With me, trading Shumpert has less to do with Shumpert and more to do with how losing him affects the team.

This

and people are judging Shumpert after a being back for only a handful of games after TORN ACL

They are?


They're actually overhyping Dudley, dude is a scrub, just shines on a bad team.

Yea kinda like how Humphries shined on the 20win Nets. If PHX is trading him along with a 1st Rd pick for Shumpert then Dudley obvisouly plays no defense and they are looking to put a defender next to Gortat.

Our backcourt becomes worse defensively
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2/9/2013  10:35 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'd give up shumpert in 2 seconds for Dudley. U have 2n kidding any other way

Exactly. Either we're all in for this year or going to rebuild. And based on the composition of the roster, all in right now would make more sense.
Either way, I don't think Shumpert will ever be as good as Dudley is right now.

Guys, when did Dudley become a world beater? He is a very good role playing SF. Shumpert is a good role playing SG right now. You get rid of Shump and we are right back to giving Kidd major minutes and having to play Brewer.

With me, trading Shumpert has less to do with Shumpert and more to do with how losing him affects the team.

This

and people are judging Shumpert after a being back for only a handful of games after TORN ACL

They are?


They're actually overhyping Dudley, dude is a scrub, just shines on a bad team.

Yea kinda like how Humphries shined on the 20win Nets. If PHX is trading him along with a 1st Rd pick for Shumpert then Dudley obvisouly plays no defense and they are looking to put a defender next to Gortat.

Our backcourt becomes worse defensively

Yup, i do think folks are looking at his shooting and are wowed by it, but it's actually his gift and a curse.

He's a shooting guard who prefers not to shoot and his defense is not that good.

We already have trouble keeping guards in front of us, Dudley makes that worse.
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2/9/2013  10:38 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'd give up shumpert in 2 seconds for Dudley. U have 2n kidding any other way

Exactly. Either we're all in for this year or going to rebuild. And based on the composition of the roster, all in right now would make more sense.
Either way, I don't think Shumpert will ever be as good as Dudley is right now.

Guys, when did Dudley become a world beater? He is a very good role playing SF. Shumpert is a good role playing SG right now. You get rid of Shump and we are right back to giving Kidd major minutes and having to play Brewer.

With me, trading Shumpert has less to do with Shumpert and more to do with how losing him affects the team.


Dudley played SG last year and would likely play that here. Right now, we have a shooting guard who can't shoot anyway.

Exactly

I like Shrump just as much as the next guy but if there is any truth to this, the Knicks need to pull the trigger.

Shrump has the POTENSHULL to be a solid NBA player but Dudley has already PROVEN that he is.
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2/9/2013  10:49 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'd give up shumpert in 2 seconds for Dudley. U have 2n kidding any other way

Exactly. Either we're all in for this year or going to rebuild. And based on the composition of the roster, all in right now would make more sense.
Either way, I don't think Shumpert will ever be as good as Dudley is right now.

Guys, when did Dudley become a world beater? He is a very good role playing SF. Shumpert is a good role playing SG right now. You get rid of Shump and we are right back to giving Kidd major minutes and having to play Brewer.

With me, trading Shumpert has less to do with Shumpert and more to do with how losing him affects the team.


Dudley played SG last year and would likely play that here. Right now, we have a shooting guard who can't shoot anyway.

Exactly

I like Shrump just as much as the next guy but if there is any truth to this, the Knicks need to pull the trigger.

Shrump has the POTENSHULL to be a solid NBA player but Dudley has already PROVEN that he is.


Just wait til you find out he's a small forward playing out of position.
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2/9/2013  10:53 AM
knickscity wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'd give up shumpert in 2 seconds for Dudley. U have 2n kidding any other way

Exactly. Either we're all in for this year or going to rebuild. And based on the composition of the roster, all in right now would make more sense.
Either way, I don't think Shumpert will ever be as good as Dudley is right now.

Guys, when did Dudley become a world beater? He is a very good role playing SF. Shumpert is a good role playing SG right now. You get rid of Shump and we are right back to giving Kidd major minutes and having to play Brewer.

With me, trading Shumpert has less to do with Shumpert and more to do with how losing him affects the team.


Dudley played SG last year and would likely play that here. Right now, we have a shooting guard who can't shoot anyway.

Exactly

I like Shrump just as much as the next guy but if there is any truth to this, the Knicks need to pull the trigger.

Shrump has the POTENSHULL to be a solid NBA player but Dudley has already PROVEN that he is.


Just wait til you find out he's a small forward playing out of position.

yea I can see the complaints already. PHX clearly has a weakness at SG and are forced to play Dudley there. Which explains why they are going after a true SG with a wealth of SFs
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2/9/2013  10:57 AM
Yea Im pretty sure Dudley is a SF. However, I think Milwaukee would love to have Novak. 3-Way.

Knicks get Dudley
Bucks get Novak
Suns get Udoh

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2/9/2013  10:59 AM
Dudley is a nice role player (played great in the playoffs before Amar'e left, I think), and Alex Kennedy usually has very reliable sources. But there is no way we will trade for him- no way we'd get rid of Shump or Novak or Camby, and everyone elses salary is too small.
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2/9/2013  11:12 AM
smackeddog wrote:Dudley is a nice role player (played great in the playoffs before Amar'e left, I think), and Alex Kennedy usually has very reliable sources. But there is no way we will trade for him- no way we'd get rid of Shump or Novak or Camby, and everyone elses salary is too small.

Jared Dudley is better than Shumpert Novak or Camby--wed be getting the best player in the deal--most of the times a good thing. In Dudley's case--he is a piece that fits here--he doesnt need the ball but when he has it good things happen at an efficient rate. He's a good passer a good rebounder and a very nice NBA shooter all the way to three. With Melo Amare and Tyson--a guy like Dudley could very well shoot 52-53%(his norm is upper 40's.

Let me tell you this--and for fans who wear rose colored glasses understand as COMPOSED we will NOT win a championship with Jason Kidd Shumpert Brewer White Felton JR Smith as our guards. Also remember how exposed Novak was--and hes not even as good as last year. I dont care if we lose Shumpert or anyone else not named Amare Tyson Carmelo Felton Smith

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2/9/2013  11:16 AM
I remember Dudley as a good defender but a poster on another board says his synergy numbers are down the past two years
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2/9/2013  11:18 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Dudley is a nice role player (played great in the playoffs before Amar'e left, I think), and Alex Kennedy usually has very reliable sources. But there is no way we will trade for him- no way we'd get rid of Shump or Novak or Camby, and everyone elses salary is too small.

Jared Dudley is better than Shumpert Novak or Camby--wed be getting the best player in the deal--most of the times a good thing. In Dudley's case--he is a piece that fits here--he doesnt need the ball but when he has it good things happen at an efficient rate. He's a good passer a good rebounder and a very nice NBA shooter all the way to three. With Melo Amare and Tyson--a guy like Dudley could very well shoot 52-53%(his norm is upper 40's.

Let me tell you this--and for fans who wear rose colored glasses understand as COMPOSED we will NOT win a championship with Jason Kidd Shumpert Brewer White Felton JR Smith as our guards. Also remember how exposed Novak was--and hes not even as good as last year. I dont care if we lose Shumpert or anyone else not named Amare Tyson Carmelo Felton Smith


You might be the one with rose colored glasses thinking Dudley is gonna put up 53% shooting as a guard.
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2/9/2013  11:33 AM
knickscity wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'd give up shumpert in 2 seconds for Dudley. U have 2n kidding any other way

Exactly. Either we're all in for this year or going to rebuild. And based on the composition of the roster, all in right now would make more sense.
Either way, I don't think Shumpert will ever be as good as Dudley is right now.

Guys, when did Dudley become a world beater? He is a very good role playing SF. Shumpert is a good role playing SG right now. You get rid of Shump and we are right back to giving Kidd major minutes and having to play Brewer.

With me, trading Shumpert has less to do with Shumpert and more to do with how losing him affects the team.


Dudley played SG last year and would likely play that here. Right now, we have a shooting guard who can't shoot anyway.

Exactly

I like Shrump just as much as the next guy but if there is any truth to this, the Knicks need to pull the trigger.

Shrump has the POTENSHULL to be a solid NBA player but Dudley has already PROVEN that he is.


Just wait til you find out he's a small forward playing out of position.

He shoots 40% on 3s and is averaging 3+ assists per 36 minutes. What else is there that an SG needs to do that he doesn't?
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2/9/2013  11:35 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'd give up shumpert in 2 seconds for Dudley. U have 2n kidding any other way

Exactly. Either we're all in for this year or going to rebuild. And based on the composition of the roster, all in right now would make more sense.
Either way, I don't think Shumpert will ever be as good as Dudley is right now.

Guys, when did Dudley become a world beater? He is a very good role playing SF. Shumpert is a good role playing SG right now. You get rid of Shump and we are right back to giving Kidd major minutes and having to play Brewer.

With me, trading Shumpert has less to do with Shumpert and more to do with how losing him affects the team.


Dudley played SG last year and would likely play that here. Right now, we have a shooting guard who can't shoot anyway.

Exactly

I like Shrump just as much as the next guy but if there is any truth to this, the Knicks need to pull the trigger.

Shrump has the POTENSHULL to be a solid NBA player but Dudley has already PROVEN that he is.


Just wait til you find out he's a small forward playing out of position.

yea I can see the complaints already. PHX clearly has a weakness at SG and are forced to play Dudley there. Which explains why they are going after a true SG with a wealth of SFs


In what sense is Shumpert a true SG?
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2/9/2013  11:38 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'd give up shumpert in 2 seconds for Dudley. U have 2n kidding any other way

Exactly. Either we're all in for this year or going to rebuild. And based on the composition of the roster, all in right now would make more sense.
Either way, I don't think Shumpert will ever be as good as Dudley is right now.

Guys, when did Dudley become a world beater? He is a very good role playing SF. Shumpert is a good role playing SG right now. You get rid of Shump and we are right back to giving Kidd major minutes and having to play Brewer.

With me, trading Shumpert has less to do with Shumpert and more to do with how losing him affects the team.


Dudley played SG last year and would likely play that here. Right now, we have a shooting guard who can't shoot anyway.

Exactly

I like Shrump just as much as the next guy but if there is any truth to this, the Knicks need to pull the trigger.

Shrump has the POTENSHULL to be a solid NBA player but Dudley has already PROVEN that he is.


Just wait til you find out he's a small forward playing out of position.

He shoots 40% on 3s and is averaging 3+ assists per 36 minutes. What else is there that an SG needs to do that he doesn't?

Too bad he doesn't play 36 minutes.
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2/9/2013  11:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2013  11:42 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'd give up shumpert in 2 seconds for Dudley. U have 2n kidding any other way

Exactly. Either we're all in for this year or going to rebuild. And based on the composition of the roster, all in right now would make more sense.
Either way, I don't think Shumpert will ever be as good as Dudley is right now.

Guys, when did Dudley become a world beater? He is a very good role playing SF. Shumpert is a good role playing SG right now. You get rid of Shump and we are right back to giving Kidd major minutes and having to play Brewer.

With me, trading Shumpert has less to do with Shumpert and more to do with how losing him affects the team.


Dudley played SG last year and would likely play that here. Right now, we have a shooting guard who can't shoot anyway.

Exactly

I like Shrump just as much as the next guy but if there is any truth to this, the Knicks need to pull the trigger.

Shrump has the POTENSHULL to be a solid NBA player but Dudley has already PROVEN that he is.


Just wait til you find out he's a small forward playing out of position.

yea I can see the complaints already. PHX clearly has a weakness at SG and are forced to play Dudley there. Which explains why they are going after a true SG with a wealth of SFs


In what sense is Shumpert a true SG?

What is he than a PG or SF? I will go with SG with potential to consistently knock down open shots and shutdown opposing SGs
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2/9/2013  11:48 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'd give up shumpert in 2 seconds for Dudley. U have 2n kidding any other way

Exactly. Either we're all in for this year or going to rebuild. And based on the composition of the roster, all in right now would make more sense.
Either way, I don't think Shumpert will ever be as good as Dudley is right now.

Guys, when did Dudley become a world beater? He is a very good role playing SF. Shumpert is a good role playing SG right now. You get rid of Shump and we are right back to giving Kidd major minutes and having to play Brewer.

With me, trading Shumpert has less to do with Shumpert and more to do with how losing him affects the team.


Dudley played SG last year and would likely play that here. Right now, we have a shooting guard who can't shoot anyway.

Exactly

I like Shrump just as much as the next guy but if there is any truth to this, the Knicks need to pull the trigger.

Shrump has the POTENSHULL to be a solid NBA player but Dudley has already PROVEN that he is.


Just wait til you find out he's a small forward playing out of position.

yea I can see the complaints already. PHX clearly has a weakness at SG and are forced to play Dudley there. Which explains why they are going after a true SG with a wealth of SFs


In what sense is Shumpert a true SG?

What is he than a PG or SF? I will go with SG with potential to consistently knock down open shots and shutdown opposing SGs


What's crazy is Dudley isnt a sg at all, and even with Shump coming back off an acl he is hitting the same 3pt % that folks are drooling from Dudley.
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2/9/2013  11:51 AM
Rosenthal is speculating Dudley's agent is using the Knicks to stir up interest from other teams.
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2/9/2013  11:52 AM
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'd give up shumpert in 2 seconds for Dudley. U have 2n kidding any other way

Exactly. Either we're all in for this year or going to rebuild. And based on the composition of the roster, all in right now would make more sense.
Either way, I don't think Shumpert will ever be as good as Dudley is right now.

Guys, when did Dudley become a world beater? He is a very good role playing SF. Shumpert is a good role playing SG right now. You get rid of Shump and we are right back to giving Kidd major minutes and having to play Brewer.

With me, trading Shumpert has less to do with Shumpert and more to do with how losing him affects the team.


Dudley played SG last year and would likely play that here. Right now, we have a shooting guard who can't shoot anyway.

Exactly

I like Shrump just as much as the next guy but if there is any truth to this, the Knicks need to pull the trigger.

Shrump has the POTENSHULL to be a solid NBA player but Dudley has already PROVEN that he is.


Just wait til you find out he's a small forward playing out of position.

He shoots 40% on 3s and is averaging 3+ assists per 36 minutes. What else is there that an SG needs to do that he doesn't?

Too bad he doesn't play 36 minutes.


He plays 30. You think the next 6 mpg would lead to lowered production? That's the same flawed "James Harden" argument that was being made a few months ago.
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2/9/2013  11:52 AM
knicks are in win-now mode so the youth is expendable. lets not have double standards here.

shumpert may round into form defensively by the playoffs which would be great. i love this kid.

but circumstances dictate that if a player is available who shoots 48% from the field and 59.5%TS and he is a willing defender you have to consider that trade. also he is a ball mover and does not overdribble. high character guy only helps. i think i remember he doesn't mind taking a charge and he is a hustle guy.

jared dudley for shumpert is a good deal for the knicks who are in win-now mode.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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2/9/2013  11:53 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'd give up shumpert in 2 seconds for Dudley. U have 2n kidding any other way

Exactly. Either we're all in for this year or going to rebuild. And based on the composition of the roster, all in right now would make more sense.
Either way, I don't think Shumpert will ever be as good as Dudley is right now.

Guys, when did Dudley become a world beater? He is a very good role playing SF. Shumpert is a good role playing SG right now. You get rid of Shump and we are right back to giving Kidd major minutes and having to play Brewer.

With me, trading Shumpert has less to do with Shumpert and more to do with how losing him affects the team.


Dudley played SG last year and would likely play that here. Right now, we have a shooting guard who can't shoot anyway.

Exactly

I like Shrump just as much as the next guy but if there is any truth to this, the Knicks need to pull the trigger.

Shrump has the POTENSHULL to be a solid NBA player but Dudley has already PROVEN that he is.


Just wait til you find out he's a small forward playing out of position.

yea I can see the complaints already. PHX clearly has a weakness at SG and are forced to play Dudley there. Which explains why they are going after a true SG with a wealth of SFs


In what sense is Shumpert a true SG?

What is he than a PG or SF? I will go with SG with potential to consistently knock down open shots and shutdown opposing SGs


Neither. On offense, he is a guy who doesn't belong in the NBA. On defense, he can play any of those 3 positions.
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