tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:Knicks are not in the Scussin category. Not after not proven to win a playoff series with many of the players they've had on the team and their wild splits this year against the tough teams....Also what you describe for a group of teams also applies to other team not in those groups, you're not consistent

The way I see it...

Clear Cut
Heat
OKC

Heavily In the Scussion
Bulls
Spurs
Pacers

These team are proven winners and/or have challenged those in the post-season who have gone far in the post-season recently. Regular season is Regular season....These teams play championship caliber basketball always consistent in what they do and how they play, are physically and mentally tough, evenly balanced on both sides of the ball and are tops of the league in defense

Sleepers/Darkhorses
Clippers
Memphis

All the teams above have these but these team lack much of the above.... Stars, Depth, Bigs, respectable defense, rebounding, 3's, veteran leadership, scoring inside & out, getting to the line, bench scoring, Solid regular season teams with little shot at the getting to the Finals & some flaws

Pretenders/Paper Champs
Knicks
Brooklyn

Teams that think they are good but really aren't at this time likely 1st or 2nd round exit teams

Exciting Regular Season/A Piece Away
Nuggets
Warriors
Houston
Hawks
Bucks

Could make noise a la Baron Davis/Warriors type team with difficult shot at getting to the finals depends heavily on matchup(s) have multiple flaws. Not much difference between Paper Champs and Exciting Regular season team

Fading Legends
Lakers
Boston

Although could rear their ugly head with the heart of a champion

yea, I like this list a lot more.. seems to be more fair.... especially considering teams like the bulls and pacers having pushed some of these top teams in the recent playoffs..

This is not the same Knick team though

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The way I see it...

Clear Cut
Heat
OKC

In the scussion
Knicks(w/Sheed & Camby)
Bulls
Spurs

These teams play championship caliber basketball. Stars, Depth, Bigs, defense, rebounding, 3's, veteran leadership, scoring inside & out, getting to the line, bench scoring

Solid regular season teams with little shot at the getting to the Finals & some flaws
Clippers
Lakers
Warriors

Exciting regular season with NO shot at getting to the finals & multiple flaws
Nuggets
Pacers
Hawks

Teams a piece away from making noise
Houston

Teams that think they are good but really aren't but are 1st or 2nd round exit teams
Brooklyn

guns your descriptions don't seem to fit all of the teams... for instance why should "stars" be a prerequisite for a team to play championship caliber basketball... do the pacers have a star according to you? if not, do you really think there is a difference in quality of ball between them and the knicks? the pacers and nuggets both are better rebounding teams than the knicks by far, they both have depth, bigs, veteran leadership, they can score inside and out actually denver leads the league in points in the paint.. houston is 3rd, clippers 2nd. knicks last..

I am not saying I completely disagree with your list, but if we are going to be honest, the pacers deserve to be in the discussion as they pushed miami last year.. knicks have just one playoff win.... lets put ourselves in the pacers shoes... would we really buy that the knicks are more of a contender than we are( being pacers fans that is)...

Papabear Says

Ha Ha that was a good one. The team we had last year cant compete with team this year. I feel good about the knicks being able to go deep in the playoffs

"Not the same Knick Team"

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News Flash neither are the other teams just in case you guys haven't taken a deeper look

During the two games in which we've murdered Miami? During one of those games (the first game) the likes of Iman Shumpert, Amar'e Stoudemire and Marcus Camby were out. During the second game we were without the likes of Iman Shumpert, Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire and Marcus Camby.

The postseason may be another beast effort/intensity wise, but the same can also be stated about our New York Knicks. There is no way you can consider the likes of Miami Heat as being a Clear Cut without mentioning the Knicks right alongside as clear cut contenders. 2-0 against Miami despite a boat load of injuries along with being only 1/2 a game behind these guys doesn't lie.

Clear Cut
Heat
OKC
Spurs

In the scussion

Bulls
Clips

Solid regular season teams with little shot at the getting to the Finals & some flaws

Exciting regular season with NO shot at getting to the finals & multiple flaws
Nuggets
Pacers
Hawks
Houston
Warriors

Teams that think they are good but really aren't but are 1st or 2nd round exit teams
Brooklyn
NYK
Lakers (if they even make the playoffs)

Wild cards
Memphis
GS

East
Championship or bust
Heat

Wild cards
Knicks
Bulls
Indy
Philly

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:Sorry, I can't and don't put much stock in regular season victories...The Bulls out worked us at every turn...They won't win that way in the playoffs ...

It's not them actually beating us 3-0 tis year per say although in Rose's absence it's a little alarming because of how much they've had command in those games. It has more so to do with who they are in general. Yes if we meet them they will continue to handle us that way. Thibs is no joke of a coach and they are no joke of a team.

Thibs coach hustle...He doesn't coach X's and O's...

No he coaches X's and O's Doc Rivers said as much when the Celtics won their Championship while he was on their bench as the lead assistant. Nice try.

As if Woody teaches X's and O's with Epic Post Season failures(rolling eyes).

Doc Rivers recently said when the Bulls played the Celtics Thibs was also involved in the offense when he was there. Ironically enough it was the game Belly beat them in Boston in the final moments of the game.

OK...If u say so..They fizzed out pretty quickly against an equally manned Sixer team...

Dude they had no Rose after game 1 and no Noah after game 3 yet they won 2gms and all the games were close except 1. Matter of fact if C.J. Watson would have done the correct thing on the break the series could have turned out totally different.

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:Sorry, I can't and don't put much stock in regular season victories...The Bulls out worked us at every turn...They won't win that way in the playoffs ...

It's not them actually beating us 3-0 tis year per say although in Rose's absence it's a little alarming because of how much they've had command in those games. It has more so to do with who they are in general. Yes if we meet them they will continue to handle us that way. Thibs is no joke of a coach and they are no joke of a team.

Thibs coach hustle...He doesn't coach X's and O's...

No he coaches X's and O's Doc Rivers said as much when the Celtics won their Championship while he was on their bench as the lead assistant. Nice try.

As if Woody teaches X's and O's with Epic Post Season failures(rolling eyes).

Doc Rivers recently said when the Bulls played the Celtics Thibs was also involved in the offense when he was there. Ironically enough it was the game Belly beat them in Boston in the final moments of the game.

OK...If u say so..They fizzed out pretty quickly against an equally manned Sixer team...

Dude they had no Rose after game 1 and no Noah after game 3 yet they won 2gms and all the games were close except 1. Matter of fact if C.J. Watson would have done the correct thing on the break the series could have turned out totally different.

They won the first game which Rose played...They won 1 game after that ...Not impressed ..

holfresh wrote:Sorry, I can't and don't put much stock in regular season victories...The Bulls out worked us at every turn...They won't win that way in the playoffs ...

holfresh wrote:dk7..That was me who said he "fits perfectly with the team's objectives"...U get it yet or is it still foggy??...Are u still LOL-ing???..24-9 with Felton...6-6 without....24-9 with...6-6 without....24-9 with...6-6 without...24-9 with...6-6 without...4-1 since the return...Get it??

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Clippers
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