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Bonn1997
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2/2/2013  9:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/2/2013  9:10 AM
holfresh wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
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tj23 wrote:They went .500 in January. They look slow and there is zero effort defensively from the majority of players. Prigioni, Novak and Sonetimes Kidd seem to be the only guys that actually rotate or defend screens properly. Amare is improving at least while the rest of the guys are regressing. Chandler has been a major liability and this team is full of turnstiles. Get it together Woody!! These are bad habits they've developed. And with Melo's game dropping off some, JR getting cold, and Melo being taken out if the game at times with doubles, they need defense badly.

All things considered i will take the .500 ball in January with Felton out. More so than our record the key is how we are playing. Looking forward to getting Sheed and Camby back

sheed and camby?! felton!?!? we have melo! chicago doesn't have rose, still 28-17 to our 28-15

We didn't have Felton, Amare and Shumpert...They didn't have one guy..Rose..3 starters versus 1 starter...But it doesn't fit your narrative does it..


We had about $50 mil in healthy, experienced players. Most teams' fans aren't fortunate enough to have that.
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Bonn1997
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2/2/2013  9:15 AM
jrodmc wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:They're coasting. The NBA is not challenging enough for them.

At least you can't complain about the sample size.


Small sample of what?
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2/2/2013  9:15 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
tj23 wrote:They went .500 in January. They look slow and there is zero effort defensively from the majority of players. Prigioni, Novak and Sonetimes Kidd seem to be the only guys that actually rotate or defend screens properly. Amare is improving at least while the rest of the guys are regressing. Chandler has been a major liability and this team is full of turnstiles. Get it together Woody!! These are bad habits they've developed. And with Melo's game dropping off some, JR getting cold, and Melo being taken out if the game at times with doubles, they need defense badly.

All things considered i will take the .500 ball in January with Felton out. More so than our record the key is how we are playing. Looking forward to getting Sheed and Camby back

sheed and camby?! felton!?!? we have melo! chicago doesn't have rose, still 28-17 to our 28-15

We didn't have Felton, Amare and Shumpert...They didn't have one guy..Rose..3 starters versus 1 starter...But it doesn't fit your narrative does it..


We had about $50 mil in healthy, experienced players. Most teams' fans aren't fortunate enough to have that.

True but $35 million of the $50 million goes to 2 players.

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2/2/2013  9:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/2/2013  9:58 AM
holfresh wrote:A bit kocky of Felton if u ask me...The knicks haven't really played a stretch of basketball where we can have an attitude like this..We have yet to establish a way to win games constantly outside of riding Melo..This team has lots of work to do before thinking they have it figured out...Bad judgement by Felton making comments like this..

Kooky?

The Knicks have been decimated by injuries to rotation players to the point Woodson has no backup center and has been forced to start men who barely made the roster.

What does that change? It makes the physical toll on bodies more intense. Not simply the visible injuries but the wear and tear on a nightly basis.

The work to be done correlates with managing the playing personality and minutes of vets like Jason Kidd, Marcus Camby, Rasheed Wallace and Pablo Prigioni - all 35 years old or older.

Dominant defense requires extra physical exertion. Playing on both ends with force, on both ends of the court, is not a simple task. You need quality depth and superior athletes. Conditioning and good health are required.

You also need trust, which comes from experience together. Felton and Shump will struggle together because they have no significant game history. They are still figuring it out.

Ain't it fun?

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2/2/2013  4:12 PM
(How Do You Run A Marathon?)

So are the Knicks focusing on pacing, with their advanced age, to save themselves for the second half? One veteran NBA scout doesn't think that's such a bad idea.

"Smart," the scout said. "They're pacing themselves. Everyone that is significant is playing. They're a great team."

"I think being fresh, we're deep, we're getting healthy and having guys not have to log a lot of minutes definitely helps" - Jason Kidd

"I think it's really our personnel and it all comes together in the end." - Tyson Chandler

"This league is unpredictable. You've got guys that can really score the ball and really cause a lot of trouble for your defense and offense. I think we do a really good job of coming here, locking in and guys communicate with each other." - I Man Shumpert

Perhaps the Knicks are also saving themselves for strong first quarters heading into the playoffs?

The Knicks are smart enough to know that setting the tempo early on is an important quality to have against top teams. When the Heat won the championship last year, they only dropped the opening period once against the Thunder.

What was behind the Heat's early dominance? Their aggressiveness on defense. When it matters most this season, a late start could mean all the difference in the world for the Knicks.

- Jared Zwerling, ESPN

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2/2/2013  4:14 PM
misterearl wrote:(How Do You Run A Marathon?)

So are the Knicks focusing on pacing, with their advanced age, to save themselves for the second half? One veteran NBA scout doesn't think that's such a bad idea.

"Smart," the scout said. "They're pacing themselves. Everyone that is significant is playing. They're a great team."

"I think being fresh, we're deep, we're getting healthy and having guys not have to log a lot of minutes definitely helps" - Jason Kidd

"I think it's really our personnel and it all comes together in the end." - Tyson Chandler

"This league is unpredictable. You've got guys that can really score the ball and really cause a lot of trouble for your defense and offense. I think we do a really good job of coming here, locking in and guys communicate with each other." - I Man Shumpert

Perhaps the Knicks are also saving themselves for strong first quarters heading into the playoffs?

The Knicks are smart enough to know that setting the tempo early on is an important quality to have against top teams. When the Heat won the championship last year, they only dropped the opening period once against the Thunder.

What was behind the Heat's early dominance? Their aggressiveness on defense. When it matters most this season, a late start could mean all the difference in the world for the Knicks.

- Jared Zwerling, ESPN

BINGO...

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2/2/2013  4:26 PM
I also think the Knicks are saving their best for a late run. In order to catch teams by surprise come playoff time. Kinda like 1999 when JVG unleased Spree and Camby on the East
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2/2/2013  4:36 PM
I won't go so far to say they are saving themselves ..What I do think is that they are not rushing Amare into playing big minutes or Shump...I think more important than anything we have to work on in the second half will be in game chemistry...
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2/2/2013  4:37 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
tj23 wrote:They went .500 in January. They look slow and there is zero effort defensively from the majority of players. Prigioni, Novak and Sonetimes Kidd seem to be the only guys that actually rotate or defend screens properly. Amare is improving at least while the rest of the guys are regressing. Chandler has been a major liability and this team is full of turnstiles. Get it together Woody!! These are bad habits they've developed. And with Melo's game dropping off some, JR getting cold, and Melo being taken out if the game at times with doubles, they need defense badly.

All things considered i will take the .500 ball in January with Felton out. More so than our record the key is how we are playing. Looking forward to getting Sheed and Camby back

sheed and camby?! felton!?!? we have melo! chicago doesn't have rose, still 28-17 to our 28-15

We didn't have Felton, Amare and Shumpert...They didn't have one guy..Rose..3 starters versus 1 starter...But it doesn't fit your narrative does it..


We had about $50 mil in healthy, experienced players. Most teams' fans aren't fortunate enough to have that.

If dollar amount won Championships we would rival the Yankees with rings ..

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2/2/2013  6:01 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
tj23 wrote:They went .500 in January. They look slow and there is zero effort defensively from the majority of players. Prigioni, Novak and Sonetimes Kidd seem to be the only guys that actually rotate or defend screens properly. Amare is improving at least while the rest of the guys are regressing. Chandler has been a major liability and this team is full of turnstiles. Get it together Woody!! These are bad habits they've developed. And with Melo's game dropping off some, JR getting cold, and Melo being taken out if the game at times with doubles, they need defense badly.

All things considered i will take the .500 ball in January with Felton out. More so than our record the key is how we are playing. Looking forward to getting Sheed and Camby back

sheed and camby?! felton!?!? we have melo! chicago doesn't have rose, still 28-17 to our 28-15

We didn't have Felton, Amare and Shumpert...They didn't have one guy..Rose..3 starters versus 1 starter...But it doesn't fit your narrative does it..


We had about $50 mil in healthy, experienced players. Most teams' fans aren't fortunate enough to have that.

If dollar amount won Championships we would rival the Yankees with rings ..


Money spent well will buy wins. Dolanomics, on the other hand...
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2/2/2013  6:31 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
tj23 wrote:They went .500 in January. They look slow and there is zero effort defensively from the majority of players. Prigioni, Novak and Sonetimes Kidd seem to be the only guys that actually rotate or defend screens properly. Amare is improving at least while the rest of the guys are regressing. Chandler has been a major liability and this team is full of turnstiles. Get it together Woody!! These are bad habits they've developed. And with Melo's game dropping off some, JR getting cold, and Melo being taken out if the game at times with doubles, they need defense badly.

All things considered i will take the .500 ball in January with Felton out. More so than our record the key is how we are playing. Looking forward to getting Sheed and Camby back

sheed and camby?! felton!?!? we have melo! chicago doesn't have rose, still 28-17 to our 28-15

We didn't have Felton, Amare and Shumpert...They didn't have one guy..Rose..3 starters versus 1 starter...But it doesn't fit your narrative does it..


We had about $50 mil in healthy, experienced players. Most teams' fans aren't fortunate enough to have that.

If dollar amount won Championships we would rival the Yankees with rings ..


Money spent well will buy wins. Dolanomics, on the other hand...

Hahaha..Fiscally fit team...Winning on the cheap makes fans feel better...OK...

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2/2/2013  6:43 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
tj23 wrote:They went .500 in January. They look slow and there is zero effort defensively from the majority of players. Prigioni, Novak and Sonetimes Kidd seem to be the only guys that actually rotate or defend screens properly. Amare is improving at least while the rest of the guys are regressing. Chandler has been a major liability and this team is full of turnstiles. Get it together Woody!! These are bad habits they've developed. And with Melo's game dropping off some, JR getting cold, and Melo being taken out if the game at times with doubles, they need defense badly.

All things considered i will take the .500 ball in January with Felton out. More so than our record the key is how we are playing. Looking forward to getting Sheed and Camby back

sheed and camby?! felton!?!? we have melo! chicago doesn't have rose, still 28-17 to our 28-15

We didn't have Felton, Amare and Shumpert...They didn't have one guy..Rose..3 starters versus 1 starter...But it doesn't fit your narrative does it..


We had about $50 mil in healthy, experienced players. Most teams' fans aren't fortunate enough to have that.

If dollar amount won Championships we would rival the Yankees with rings ..


Money spent well will buy wins. Dolanomics, on the other hand...

Winning on the cheap makes fans feel better


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2/2/2013  10:04 PM
Bonn1997

"I don't care that much for money, 'cause money can't buy me Shump"

30-15

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2/3/2013  9:44 AM
30-15 is great, but the season is still young and while the playoffs are still very likely, this team like any other can falter due to injury.

Its a nice fable to "save the best for the playoffs" and "can turn it on anytime they want" but thats a fable proven wrong even by Showtime lakers who fell into that trap and it denied them one of thier chips in the 80's.

If there is an intelligent mix it would appear that Woodson is attempting to find it and not run the team into the ground. At the same time you have to build chemistry and momentum that creates confidence. YOu can't just put names on the court and think that works. not fantasy ball.

If any team can claim an on/off switch its the Heat.

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2/3/2013  9:57 AM
Nalod wrote:30-15 is great, but the season is still young and while the playoffs are still very likely, this team like any other can falter due to injury.

Its a nice fable to "save the best for the playoffs" and "can turn it on anytime they want" but thats a fable proven wrong even by Showtime lakers who fell into that trap and it denied them one of thier chips in the 80's.

If there is an intelligent mix it would appear that Woodson is attempting to find it and not run the team into the ground. At the same time you have to build chemistry and momentum that creates confidence. YOu can't just put names on the court and think that works. not fantasy ball.

If any team can claim an on/off switch its the Heat.

Well put. They don't have to play themselves on to the IL, but they do have to stay focused.

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2/3/2013  10:31 AM
Who goes on a ridiculous 38-3 run?

We do

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2/4/2013  8:23 AM
Coach Speaks

“I’m very pleased where we are as a ball club. I honestly thought when we assembled this team we could put ourselves in position to win our division and be at the top in the East. There was no doubt in my mind in terms of if we stayed healthy we would give ourselves a legitimate shot to compete. I’ve said all along there is not a team we can’t beat in this league if we come committed to play for 48 minutes.

“We’ve proven that, but we’ve also proven we can be beat if we’re not committed. I’m not shocked in terms of where we are as a ball club. But I’m very excited about how we’ve played thus far. We’ve just got to continue the pace.”

-Mike Woodson

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"Rasheed Wallace, come on down!"

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2/7/2013  3:00 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:They're coasting. The NBA is not challenging enough for them.

At least you can't complain about the sample size.


Small sample of what?

You have a whole half a season to staticize about how unchallenging the NBA is for this group. Surely that's not a large enough sample size.

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2/7/2013  3:04 PM
misterearl wrote:Coach Speaks

“I’m very pleased where we are as a ball club. I honestly thought when we assembled this team we could put ourselves in position to win our division and be at the top in the East. There was no doubt in my mind in terms of if we stayed healthy we would give ourselves a legitimate shot to compete. I’ve said all along there is not a team we can’t beat in this league if we come committed to play for 48 minutes.

“We’ve proven that, but we’ve also proven we can be beat if we’re not committed. I’m not shocked in terms of where we are as a ball club. But I’m very excited about how we’ve played thus far. We’ve just got to continue the pace.”

-Mike Woodson


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