NYKMentality wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

kip3f wrote:

Date		Minutes	ORB	DRB	TRB	ORB/36	TRB/36	TRB/36
2013-01-01	16:41	0	1	1	0.0	2.2	2.2
2013-01-03	20:57	1	1	2	1.7	1.7	3.4
2013-01-05	16:57	2	2	4	4.2	4.2	8.5
2013-01-07	27:50	0	2	2	0.0	2.6	2.6
2013-01-10	21:31	3	5	8	5.0	8.4	13.4
2013-01-11	18:35	0	1	1	0.0	1.9	1.9
2013-01-13	23:02	2	1	3	3.1	1.6	4.7
2013-01-17	20:23	1	3	4	1.8	5.3	7.1
2013-01-21	26:31	1	5	6	1.4	6.8	8.1
2013-01-24	20:28	4	5	9	7.0	8.8	15.8
2013-01-26	26:30	2	2	4	2.7	2.7	5.4
2013-01-27	29:28	4	4	8	4.9	4.9	9.8
2013-01-30	20:38	1	3	4	1.7	5.2	7.0
2013-02-01	24:17	2	5	7	3.0	7.4	10.4
2013-02-02	20:42	2	4	6	3.5	7.0	10.4

source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01/gamelog/2013/

No idea what any of that means!

Just pointing out that since his return, Stoudemire is having one of his strongest seasons in regards to boarding off the glass (rebounds).

Ah, good! I wasn't having a go at the poster, more my complete inability to understand even the most basic sabermetricy advanced stat things.

smackeddog wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

kip3f wrote:

Date		Minutes	ORB	DRB	TRB	ORB/36	TRB/36	TRB/36
2013-01-01	16:41	0	1	1	0.0	2.2	2.2
2013-01-03	20:57	1	1	2	1.7	1.7	3.4
2013-01-05	16:57	2	2	4	4.2	4.2	8.5
2013-01-07	27:50	0	2	2	0.0	2.6	2.6
2013-01-10	21:31	3	5	8	5.0	8.4	13.4
2013-01-11	18:35	0	1	1	0.0	1.9	1.9
2013-01-13	23:02	2	1	3	3.1	1.6	4.7
2013-01-17	20:23	1	3	4	1.8	5.3	7.1
2013-01-21	26:31	1	5	6	1.4	6.8	8.1
2013-01-24	20:28	4	5	9	7.0	8.8	15.8
2013-01-26	26:30	2	2	4	2.7	2.7	5.4
2013-01-27	29:28	4	4	8	4.9	4.9	9.8
2013-01-30	20:38	1	3	4	1.7	5.2	7.0
2013-02-01	24:17	2	5	7	3.0	7.4	10.4
2013-02-02	20:42	2	4	6	3.5	7.0	10.4

source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01/gamelog/2013/

No idea what any of that means!

Just pointing out that since his return, Stoudemire is having one of his strongest seasons in regards to boarding off the glass (rebounds).

Ah, good! I wasn't having a go at the poster, more my complete inability to understand even the most basic sabermetricy advanced stat things.

Sorry about that! ORB = Offensive rebounds, DRB = defensive rebounds, TRB = total rebounds. The /36 columns are those stats extrapolated to 36 minutes of playing time.

kip3f wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

kip3f wrote:

Date		Minutes	ORB	DRB	TRB	ORB/36	TRB/36	TRB/36
2013-01-01	16:41	0	1	1	0.0	2.2	2.2
2013-01-03	20:57	1	1	2	1.7	1.7	3.4
2013-01-05	16:57	2	2	4	4.2	4.2	8.5
2013-01-07	27:50	0	2	2	0.0	2.6	2.6
2013-01-10	21:31	3	5	8	5.0	8.4	13.4
2013-01-11	18:35	0	1	1	0.0	1.9	1.9
2013-01-13	23:02	2	1	3	3.1	1.6	4.7
2013-01-17	20:23	1	3	4	1.8	5.3	7.1
2013-01-21	26:31	1	5	6	1.4	6.8	8.1
2013-01-24	20:28	4	5	9	7.0	8.8	15.8
2013-01-26	26:30	2	2	4	2.7	2.7	5.4
2013-01-27	29:28	4	4	8	4.9	4.9	9.8
2013-01-30	20:38	1	3	4	1.7	5.2	7.0
2013-02-01	24:17	2	5	7	3.0	7.4	10.4
2013-02-02	20:42	2	4	6	3.5	7.0	10.4

source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01/gamelog/2013/

No idea what any of that means!

Just pointing out that since his return, Stoudemire is having one of his strongest seasons in regards to boarding off the glass (rebounds).

Ah, good! I wasn't having a go at the poster, more my complete inability to understand even the most basic sabermetricy advanced stat things.

Sorry about that! ORB = Offensive rebounds, DRB = defensive rebounds, TRB = total rebounds. The /36 columns are those stats extrapolated to 36 minutes of playing time.

If he were playing 35 minutes a game right now he would be averaging sick 20/10/60% stats.

I hope he understands the short cuts he has taking because of being hooked up with MDA may have hurt his legacy as an great NBA player.

Anji wrote:

kip3f wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

kip3f wrote:

Date		Minutes	ORB	DRB	TRB	ORB/36	TRB/36	TRB/36
2013-01-01	16:41	0	1	1	0.0	2.2	2.2
2013-01-03	20:57	1	1	2	1.7	1.7	3.4
2013-01-05	16:57	2	2	4	4.2	4.2	8.5
2013-01-07	27:50	0	2	2	0.0	2.6	2.6
2013-01-10	21:31	3	5	8	5.0	8.4	13.4
2013-01-11	18:35	0	1	1	0.0	1.9	1.9
2013-01-13	23:02	2	1	3	3.1	1.6	4.7
2013-01-17	20:23	1	3	4	1.8	5.3	7.1
2013-01-21	26:31	1	5	6	1.4	6.8	8.1
2013-01-24	20:28	4	5	9	7.0	8.8	15.8
2013-01-26	26:30	2	2	4	2.7	2.7	5.4
2013-01-27	29:28	4	4	8	4.9	4.9	9.8
2013-01-30	20:38	1	3	4	1.7	5.2	7.0
2013-02-01	24:17	2	5	7	3.0	7.4	10.4
2013-02-02	20:42	2	4	6	3.5	7.0	10.4

source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01/gamelog/2013/

No idea what any of that means!

Just pointing out that since his return, Stoudemire is having one of his strongest seasons in regards to boarding off the glass (rebounds).

Ah, good! I wasn't having a go at the poster, more my complete inability to understand even the most basic sabermetricy advanced stat things.

Sorry about that! ORB = Offensive rebounds, DRB = defensive rebounds, TRB = total rebounds. The /36 columns are those stats extrapolated to 36 minutes of playing time.

OH yeah, don't need a game log to say that Amare been controlling the paint since the Boston game like a champion.

If he were playing 35 minutes a game right now he would be averaging sick 20/10/60% stats.

I hope he understands the short cuts he has taking because of being hooked up with MDA may have hurt his legacy as an great NBA player.

He can't blame taking short cuts on MDA or any other coach. It's not like MDA was happy with him not playing harder on D and on the Boards. They actually argued about such things. That's why they had to make up when he came here. If anything, MDA at least did everything he could to help Amar'e to get the biggest stats and be an extremely efficient player in his offense, where he was the focal point with shooters surrounding him and a great PnR PG to feed him over and over again. The entire highly efficient offense was based around him and Nash in the paint.

The only thing that truly hurt Amar'e was his bad knees and recently bad back. If he had been able to remain healthy over more of his career there's no reason he couldn't have put up even better numbers. I'm glad that Amar'e has been able to add to his game with more post moves and to finally get healthy again. I hope he can remain healthy and dominate in the playoffs.

3G4G wrote:Amar'e is playing well in his bench role and I think he should stay there. At the same time is now not a better time than every to get rid of this anchor?

anchor? Amare got 2 years left after this one, and that is the same timeline as Melo and Chandler. He is playing well and it looks like and upward trend. Last year was bad with the injuries, etc. but this is far from an anchor.

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:Amar'e is playing well in his bench role and I think he should stay there. At the same time is now not a better time than every to get rid of this anchor?

anchor? Amare got 2 years left after this one, and that is the same timeline as Melo and Chandler. He is playing well and it looks like and upward trend. Last year was bad with the injuries, etc. but this is far from an anchor.

martin, I am a big fan of amare, and I wanted him here.. but don't you just get the feeling that you are waiting for another injury and another 30 missed games... I don't know, the situation the knicks are in now, what can we get for him? will it be better than just taking a chance and hoping that he stays somewhat healthy? I could see an argument for wanting to dump that deal.. and I can also see an argument for wanting to roll the dice, hoping he keeps playing this way.. especially with our small window....

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:Amar'e is playing well in his bench role and I think he should stay there. At the same time is now not a better time than every to get rid of this anchor?

anchor? Amare got 2 years left after this one, and that is the same timeline as Melo and Chandler. He is playing well and it looks like and upward trend. Last year was bad with the injuries, etc. but this is far from an anchor.

Yep last year it was his back. This year his back is healed and he looks fine but you never know when the Knees give out. Just gotta hope for the best

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:Amar'e is playing well in his bench role and I think he should stay there. At the same time is now not a better time than every to get rid of this anchor?

anchor? Amare got 2 years left after this one, and that is the same timeline as Melo and Chandler. He is playing well and it looks like and upward trend. Last year was bad with the injuries, etc. but this is far from an anchor.

Amar'e isn't going to be any better than he is now. We've seen the best of Amar'e from his career. While it's good to see him "adjust" and somewhat "re-invent himself"(as he's more David West now than Blake Griffin) I could care less about when his contract lines up with Tyson and Melo's. It's been difficult for us to get rid of expiring contracts while getting good value for players as history has proven.... so if we're trying to truly CONTEND we need Deng/Garnett(bigger defensive presence wings/interior) type players on this team than a re-invented offensive Amar'e.

We did win at a good clip without him right? We've been down this road before, why do we keep falling for the Okey Doke? Never proactive... always sentimental and wishing on a star.

If he keeps up this play we need to seriously consider trading him if at all possible, it's just that simple

This is the best you can do: proclaim something that is not backable by anything.

He's 2yrs removed from the Mr. Phenomenal consecutive 30pt scorer Amar'e. Has he been better than that Amar'e? No! Is he playing a bench role? Yep! Has he undergone another significant knee procedure? Yep! Is he getting older? Yep! Has he lost lots of athleticism? Yep! Does he do anything better than he's done in Phx in terms of rebounding/blocking shots/defending? Nope! Is Melo going anywhere anytime soon? Nope!

So what else do you have besides contracts aligning up as to why we should keep him for another 2yrs?

It's kind of like Danny Ainge commenting about Paul's Pierce's legacy with Celtics and retiring as one....

"Hey we all love Paul and understand what he's meant to this franchise over his career. We would love for him to retire a Celtic and we know that's what he wants. We're not making calls on Paul but should something present itself I'd give Paul a call. I have to do what's best for the Celtics franchise and guys on this team understand this."

Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:Amar'e is playing well in his bench role and I think he should stay there. At the same time is now not a better time than every to get rid of this anchor?

anchor? Amare got 2 years left after this one, and that is the same timeline as Melo and Chandler. He is playing well and it looks like and upward trend. Last year was bad with the injuries, etc. but this is far from an anchor.

Amar'e isn't going to be any better than he is now. We've seen the best of Amar'e from his career. While it's good to see him "adjust" and somewhat "re-invent himself"(as he's more David West now than Blake Griffin) I could care less about when his contract lines up with Tyson and Melo's. It's been difficult for us to get rid of expiring contracts while getting good value for players as history has proven.... so if we're trying to truly CONTEND we need Deng/Garnett(bigger defensive presence wings/interior) type players on this team than a re-invented offensive Amar'e.

We did win at a good clip without him right? We've been down this road before, why do we keep falling for the Okey Doke? Never proactive... always sentimental and wishing on a star.

If he keeps up this play we need to seriously consider trading him if at all possible, it's just that simple

This is the best you can do: proclaim something that is not backable by anything.

Seriously. We have the 2nd best record in the east and have a legit shot @ the finals and you people want to dump guys and start over? We are contending right now!!! How about we let this season (our best thus far since 99) play out and see where we are.

Who said "start over" and we got the 2nd best record the majority without him correct? You probably feel having Amar'e gives us the best chance to win I think it's short sighted in the grand scheme of things.

It's another drawback to constructing a team this way...because you're caught up in the emotional attachment

I could see if we were middle of the pack all season, then after his return we surged to the top but really we've been relatively competitive Sans Amar'e more than just this season and we attempted to dump him last year when he wasn't showing half of what he's showing now.

I find it interesting too after already having Amar'e here almost 3yrs now that our opinion on young start teams we tend to be so critical of franchises holding on to talent too long or accumulating not maximizing value for them. But since we're 30-15(mostly without Amar'e)...thoughts of sending him packing is a No No..say what?

Well heck if OKC can dump Harden and not worry about their CONTENTION hopes and Boston can dump Perkins and not worry about their CONTENTION hopes(both remain(ed) ELITE).... we surely can dump Amar'e(which is far from starting over) if we have the chance to do so...

DurzoBlint wrote:

3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:Amar'e is playing well in his bench role and I think he should stay there. At the same time is now not a better time than every to get rid of this anchor?

anchor? Amare got 2 years left after this one, and that is the same timeline as Melo and Chandler. He is playing well and it looks like and upward trend. Last year was bad with the injuries, etc. but this is far from an anchor.

Amar'e isn't going to be any better than he is now. We've seen the best of Amar'e from his career. While it's good to see him "adjust" and somewhat "re-invent himself"(as he's more David West now than Blake Griffin) I could care less about when his contract lines up with Tyson and Melo's. It's been difficult for us to get rid of expiring contracts while getting good value for players as history has proven.... so if we're trying to truly CONTEND we need Deng/Garnett(bigger defensive presence wings/interior) type players on this team than a re-invented offensive Amar'e.

We did win at a good clip without him right? We've been down this road before, why do we keep falling for the Okey Doke? Never proactive... always sentimental and wishing on a star.

If he keeps up this play we need to seriously consider trading him if at all possible, it's just that simple

wow, nice to know we have an EXPERT on the board. Your making your opinions sound like fact when its all assumption on your part. You came into the thread, added your BASELESS negativity for what reason........to TROLL

You guys have to chill with the Troll comments when you see posts or opinions you don't like. I don't care for Melo but I haven't said hey guys what do you think we can get for Melo in a trade or hey should we try to figure what his trade value is at the deadline. Same for Smith. Same for Chandler. I don't make those kinds of posts.

I acknowledged Amar'e is playing well in his new role and suggested if he keeps this up, we should strongly consider trading him. In what universe is that trolling? It's simply that time of year folks

But let me get this straight when he went down early in the season I saw tons of negativity towards Amar'e and fans wanting him gone? It was acceptable to have this tone then?

I think having 2 alpha's in the starting lineup, one has to take a back seat, and that is part of the reason why Amare/Melo has had issues playing together
It only makes it much harder with spacing*Tyson Chandler* and getting other players involved while both players are trying to get in rhythm.
When he comes off the bench, he plays much less minutes with Chandler/Melo all together, which is a good thing for the team as a while as well as for STAT and Melo.
As great as Amare has looked so far, I am waiting to see how he respond's vs top DEFENSIVE teams.