NYKMentality wrote:

fishmike wrote:

misterearl wrote:Ghz

fishmike wrote:

misterearl wrote:Shump looked great in warmups, with his crazy entertaining windmill dunk.

During the game, not as good.

Confidence is a tricky thing.

maybe we should just sit him till next year?

fishmike - all I know for certain is that any call on Shumpert is more risky than Antonio McDyess. The future of I Man as a potential star is countered by the image if him limping off the court in march with a troubled expression on his face. Another setback would be disastrous to next season. The again, when you are in "win now" mode, patience is in shorter supply than 2.75 gasoline.

Tough call

Impossible to predict which way it turns

more risky? That makes no sense mate. McDyess had little holes drilled in his knee cap to inprove blood flow in hopes that it would heal stronger. Shump had a single piece of connective tissue screwed into his bone. The two are about as related as you and I are.

Mike, what's the risk of re-injury with this type of injury? Are the odds stacked up against Shumpert? I'm no doctor and all I've ever had was a broken wrist in which required surgery. Can't even arm wrestle with my right hand, feels like my wrist is about to explode if doing so. That was over 12 years ago too. But yea, what's the risk of re-injury?

Here's the scoop. That type of connective tissue, if severed will never grow back. 30 years ago they didnt even do ALC surgeries, you just went on in life with a 'trick knee'

The ACL is one of the crossing ligaments that creates stability for the knee. ACL is anterior and supports the outside of the knee, or all cutting type motions. Its partner the MCL does the same for the inside of the knee. This one is obviously never really hurt by NBA guys unless there is some kind of contact. You see it much more in football players.

ALC surgery is pretty straightforward. You have these options:
1) reattach old ALC with screw back into the knee
2) graft a new ALC from other connective tissue and screw that into the knee (I had this, done with a piece of my patella tendon)
3) use a cadaver tissue to screw into knee (Jerry Rice)

Typically 3-5 months after sugery is the really sensitive time. The reason is most of the swelling from the sugery is gone, and by that time patient is confortable with swimming, biking and non/low impact cario without swelling. The problem is the ALC (all ligaments) have very little blood flow and heal very slowly (9mos-year). So even though patient will "feel" healthy and the knee will be progressing very well the ALC is still very weak and must guard against snapping it again (ouch). See Terrell Thomas of the NY Giants.

Once the ALC is secure and the patient is back to 100% speed you still have some things to deal with:
1) weakness: simply a result of lack of use. The knee and surrounding muscles need to be built up again after a long layoff
2) scar tissue: result of ANY surgery. Scar tissue however can cause friction during activity and that leads to swelling. That might just mean nothing more than ice after games/exercise. It might also mean he needs to shut it down from time to time to get that swelling down. As time goes on scar tissue does break up, but other times it can be problem and need to be cleaned out (minor ortho scopic procedure pretty common for a lot of athletes).

Performance: ALC has affected some in the past permanently, but its the exception not the norm. 95% are expected to fully recover. Jamal Crawford had his done in college. So did Granger. So did Jamal Lewis and he ran for like 2000 yards. So did Adrian Peterson last year and he was like 20 yards from breaking the rushing record. Google names of successful ACL surgeries.... you will be shocked how many play at an exceptional high level.

Shump may have some residual effects or things he needs to deal with, but this is in no way a death sentance for athletic guys. He will be fine.

Sorry to be long winded, hope that helps?

misterearl wrote:Is there a Doctor in the House?

gunsnewing wrote:I would assume it it mostly mental and the fear of cutting too hard and re-injuring youself that takes a month or so to get over

A month huh?

Cool.

And much easier said from in front of a television screen than in the gym. Here is a clue to watch for.. Last season, Shumperts defensive posture could be described as cobra-like. He could coil his stance into an aggressive posture, while back pedaling. Using alternating drop steps left or right angles, he made it look effortless... when you have a spare moment try it. It requires strength and rock solid balance.

When Shump can make that difficult move again, on a consistent basis, and attack on defense, he is back.

I have zero worries about Shump recovering.

- Derrick Rose

DJMUSIC wrote:It takes time (ACL healing) to develop confidence after such a huge injury
but Shump has flashes and defensive wise one of his better efforts & showed why Knicks was right
NOT to trade him

Yes. Absolutely. Just posted the same thing in another thread. Confidence will be the last thing to come back. He's getting there.

misterearl wrote:Kinda bouncy fish.mike

Kinda bouncy

good for you for mannin up.

shump took his licks this year coming back from that acl, but wow does he look great now. his on-ball defense and all-around offensive game have been absolutely huge for us.

misterearl wrote:Kinda bouncy fish.mike

Kinda bouncy

Nalod wrote:Kinda bouncy....

Either way, nice catch.