DurzoBlint wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Welcome, boys and girls, to the forum where there are myriad reasons, opinions, assumptions and baseless mindless statistics that can be used to explain to you why the best player on your winning team should be fed into the nearest garbage disposal.

knicks1248 wrote:Jr maybe shooting bad, but his defense is solid and his energy is always there..melo doesn't shoot well and he lets it effect every other part of his game

VCoug wrote:

martin wrote:

VCoug wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:JR 39.5%
Felton 39.3%

Felton is a point guard. He excels in the PnR. More important than comparing shooting stats with a chucker like JR

I think it's kind of funny that you call JR a chucker when he takes fewer shots/game than Felton.

so your definition is only about shots/game? Not quality of shots too?

In Felton's case yes. His entire career has proven that he's not a jump shooter yet he's taking 16 shots/game most of which are jump shots.

I can hardly wait for the first thread showing "% of quality shots taken per game/vs % of shitty shots taken per game" There must be a site out there that tracks those somewhere...

Then we'll have even more ammo for why Melo (through his association with JR) is an out and out loser driving a team that's only 2nd place in a crap division.

all I have to do is quote this^ man because, he said it best

Definitely. He was able to free associate a discussion about Felton and his shot selection and make it seem like I was bashing Melo. I am truly impressed.

Smith is going to take those shots because he has the athleticism and skill to get off those type of shots. Crawful used to do the same things.

They will figure it out.

MSG3 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:JR 39.5%
Felton 39.3%

Felton is a point guard. He excels in the PnR. More important than comparing shooting stats with a chucker like JR

the ratio of felton's usage rate to assist rate strongly suggest he is more a shooting guard than a point guard. since that is the case, comparing both he and smith as shooters is perfectly reasonable.

it's going to be very tough for the knicks to win if they shoot 40% and neither gets to the line more than 2 or 3 times a game.

felton's fga to fta ratio is a ludicrous 8:1
smith's fga to fta ratio is an unacceptable 4.6:1
melo's fga to fta ratio is an borderline unacceptable 2.95:1

VCoug wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:JR 39.5%
Felton 39.3%

Felton is a point guard. He excels in the PnR. More important than comparing shooting stats with a chucker like JR

I think it's kind of funny that you call JR a chucker when he takes fewer shots/game than Felton.

they both take around 15-16 shots a game.

dk7th wrote:

VCoug wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:JR 39.5%
Felton 39.3%

Felton is a point guard. He excels in the PnR. More important than comparing shooting stats with a chucker like JR

I think it's kind of funny that you call JR a chucker when he takes fewer shots/game than Felton.

they both take around 15-16 shots a game.

I know, that's why it's ridiculous to call JR a chucker and imply that Felton isn't.

jrodmc wrote:

VCoug wrote:
Definitely. He was able to free associate a discussion about Felton and his shot selection and make it seem like I was bashing Melo. I am truly impressed.

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:JR 39.5%
Felton 39.3%

Felton is a point guard. He excels in the PnR. More important than comparing shooting stats with a chucker like JR

the ratio of felton's usage rate to assist rate strongly suggest he is more a shooting guard than a point guard. since that is the case, comparing both he and smith as shooters is perfectly reasonable.

it's going to be very tough for the knicks to win if they shoot 40% and neither gets to the line more than 2 or 3 times a game.

felton's fga to fta ratio is a ludicrous 8:1
smith's fga to fta ratio is an unacceptable 4.6:1
melo's fga to fta ratio is an borderline unacceptable 2.95:1

VCoug, you were saying?

your preemptive posts predicting other posters coming up with certain observations and statistics that run counter to your beliefs is in vain. is that what happens when you can't construct a persuasive argument to counter what has been brought to bear?

i didn't trash melo by the way-- the important stats for him have always been borderline and questionable, be they FG% or TS% or usg/ast ratio.

46%FG is borderline for his career
55%TS is borderline for his career
1.94:1 usg/ast is fine but this season it is 2.50:1 which is too high for a team game.

but all i intend to say here with these statistics is that carmelo anthony is overrated by many among the knick faithful. that is not trashing the guy. but he is not as good as you believe him to be if we are agreed that the goal is to make a strong showing in the ECF... let alone a finals appearance or title.

Swishfm3 wrote:Why the need to bring Melo's name in the conversation?

The thread is about JR and you quoted Guns and MSG discussion about JR and Felton...yet you felt the need to include Melo.

you know what, check some of the posts more closely. people like to play games around here. maybe you as well. i'm cool with that. but if dude's want to play games instead of have a friendly discussion/argument that's on them. i'm here to learn.

if you have anything substantive, ie basketball related, to say about my contribution please have at it. again, i'm here to learn.

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

VCoug wrote:
Definitely. He was able to free associate a discussion about Felton and his shot selection and make it seem like I was bashing Melo. I am truly impressed.

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:JR 39.5%
Felton 39.3%

Felton is a point guard. He excels in the PnR. More important than comparing shooting stats with a chucker like JR

the ratio of felton's usage rate to assist rate strongly suggest he is more a shooting guard than a point guard. since that is the case, comparing both he and smith as shooters is perfectly reasonable.

it's going to be very tough for the knicks to win if they shoot 40% and neither gets to the line more than 2 or 3 times a game.

felton's fga to fta ratio is a ludicrous 8:1
smith's fga to fta ratio is an unacceptable 4.6:1
melo's fga to fta ratio is an borderline unacceptable 2.95:1

VCoug, you were saying?

your preemptive posts predicting other posters coming up with certain observations and statistics that run counter to your beliefs is in vain. is that what happens when you can't construct a persuasive argument to counter what has been brought to bear?

i didn't trash melo by the way-- the important stats for him have always been borderline and questionable, be they FG% or TS% or usg/ast ratio.

46%FG is borderline for his career
55%TS is borderline for his career
1.94:1 usg/ast is fine but this season it is 2.50:1 which is too high for a team game.

but all i intend to say here with these statistics is that carmelo anthony is overrated by many among the knick faithful. that is not trashing the guy. but he is not as good as you believe him to be if we are agreed that the goal is to make a strong showing in the ECF... let alone a finals appearance or title.

Yes, you're right of course.

You're mild backpedaling away from your melohate by qualifying your statements as based on objectivity as opposed to general homerisms and strawman arguments formed from your own expectations is quite amazing though.

And I said someone would find a way to link Felton/JR to Melohate, and lo and behold, a whole 4 or 5 posts later, there you were. Too bad you didn't see my "preemptive post prediction" prior to your own post explaining how you're not bashing Melo.

And since you're here to learn: try not to be overly sensitive about your position on Melo. You do a fine job representing.

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

VCoug wrote:
Definitely. He was able to free associate a discussion about Felton and his shot selection and make it seem like I was bashing Melo. I am truly impressed.

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:JR 39.5%
Felton 39.3%

Felton is a point guard. He excels in the PnR. More important than comparing shooting stats with a chucker like JR

the ratio of felton's usage rate to assist rate strongly suggest he is more a shooting guard than a point guard. since that is the case, comparing both he and smith as shooters is perfectly reasonable.

it's going to be very tough for the knicks to win if they shoot 40% and neither gets to the line more than 2 or 3 times a game.

felton's fga to fta ratio is a ludicrous 8:1
smith's fga to fta ratio is an unacceptable 4.6:1
melo's fga to fta ratio is an borderline unacceptable 2.95:1

VCoug, you were saying?

your preemptive posts predicting other posters coming up with certain observations and statistics that run counter to your beliefs is in vain. is that what happens when you can't construct a persuasive argument to counter what has been brought to bear?

i didn't trash melo by the way-- the important stats for him have always been borderline and questionable, be they FG% or TS% or usg/ast ratio.

46%FG is borderline for his career
55%TS is borderline for his career
1.94:1 usg/ast is fine but this season it is 2.50:1 which is too high for a team game.

but all i intend to say here with these statistics is that carmelo anthony is overrated by many among the knick faithful. that is not trashing the guy. but he is not as good as you believe him to be if we are agreed that the goal is to make a strong showing in the ECF... let alone a finals appearance or title.

sorry pal - why even bother watching the Knicks? How about you rank where Melo is at among players in Knicks history? You get preemptive posts because most of us realize that you and the other stats geeks will start playing slap ass and tummy sticks with each other about how inefficient Melo is, yet bury your head in the sand over how efficient the Knicks team offense - as a whole - is.

SupremeCommander wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

VCoug wrote:
Definitely. He was able to free associate a discussion about Felton and his shot selection and make it seem like I was bashing Melo. I am truly impressed.

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:JR 39.5%
Felton 39.3%

Felton is a point guard. He excels in the PnR. More important than comparing shooting stats with a chucker like JR

the ratio of felton's usage rate to assist rate strongly suggest he is more a shooting guard than a point guard. since that is the case, comparing both he and smith as shooters is perfectly reasonable.

it's going to be very tough for the knicks to win if they shoot 40% and neither gets to the line more than 2 or 3 times a game.

felton's fga to fta ratio is a ludicrous 8:1
smith's fga to fta ratio is an unacceptable 4.6:1
melo's fga to fta ratio is an borderline unacceptable 2.95:1

VCoug, you were saying?

your preemptive posts predicting other posters coming up with certain observations and statistics that run counter to your beliefs is in vain. is that what happens when you can't construct a persuasive argument to counter what has been brought to bear?

i didn't trash melo by the way-- the important stats for him have always been borderline and questionable, be they FG% or TS% or usg/ast ratio.

46%FG is borderline for his career
55%TS is borderline for his career
1.94:1 usg/ast is fine but this season it is 2.50:1 which is too high for a team game.

but all i intend to say here with these statistics is that carmelo anthony is overrated by many among the knick faithful. that is not trashing the guy. but he is not as good as you believe him to be if we are agreed that the goal is to make a strong showing in the ECF... let alone a finals appearance or title.

sorry pal - why even bother watching the Knicks? How about you rank where Melo is at among players in Knicks history? You get preemptive posts because most of us realize that you and the other stats geeks will start playing slap ass and tummy sticks with each other about how inefficient Melo is, yet bury your head in the sand over how efficient the Knicks team offense - as a whole - is.

Exactly.

We're ranked 1st overall in offensive turnovers committed at only 11.3 turnovers per game. 9th overall in scoring offense at 100.7 points per game. 9th in points per shot (1.21). 15th in offensive field goal percentage (A FG percentage of.445%), 4th overall in 3PT FG percentage (.383 3PT%), 7th overall in Adjusted Field Goal Percentage (.512) and 1st overall in A/TO at 1.77 (assist per turnover).

I'm not saying that we're the OKC Thunder or anything, but we've been without question a top 10 offense thus far throughout 2012-2013. Carmelo Anthony is the main reason why too. One of the greatest pure scorers our franchise has ever featured and overall just a phenom offensive force.

According to Hollinger Team Statistics our New York Knicks are ranked 3rd in overall Offensive Efficiency at 108.6. Only behind the likes of OKC & Miami. According to Hollinger we're 7th overall in Effective Field Goal Percentage at 51.2%. Everyone seems to point to TS% when being a critic of certain players, but as a team according to Hollinger we're ranked 7th overall with a True Shooting percentage of 54.6.

We've yet to even tap into our offensive potential (as of yet).