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Bonn1997
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1/27/2013  6:15 PM
Why are people assuming that Amare's knees and back can handle starters' minutes for the rest of the season? I'd be fine with him playing as few min as necessary in order to keep him fresh for the playoffs. If he played 15 mpg during the regular season for the rest of his career and then had a bigger role in the playoffs, that might be the best scenario.
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1/27/2013  6:18 PM
He can start and still have his minutes kept to under 30. Need to get off to good starts. Playing comeback every game is too tiring on Kidd and Melo. I Rather Amare start than 40yr Sheed
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1/27/2013  6:21 PM
Under 30? We have him at a max salary for 2 1/2 more years. Why wear out his body just to get a couple more regular season wins?
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1/27/2013  6:22 PM
Melo should play like Kobe has the last 2 games. 14 assists in each game. Melo will pass the ball when double-teamed and in trouble, he must learn to use himself as a facilitator, not just off broken plays but as an integral part of the offense. I put that on Melo but more on coaching. Too much standing around with iso-ball, use iso-ball to facilitate offense, when Melo goes toward the hoop, at least 2 players should go also and make defenses pay for double and triple-teaming him. Teams have caught up to the Knicks and if they change their offensive schemes, they will probably play .500 ball the rest of the way.
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1/27/2013  6:23 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:Under 30? We have him at a max salary for 2 1/2 more years. Why wear out his body just to get a couple more regular season wins?

To secure a top 2 seed and avoid another 1st round sweep

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1/27/2013  6:25 PM
Travla wrote:Melo should play like Kobe has the last 2 games. 14 assists in each game. Melo will pass the ball when double-teamed and in trouble, he must learn to use himself as a facilitator, not just off broken plays but as an integral part of the offense. I put that on Melo but more on coaching. Too much standing around with iso-ball, use iso-ball to facilitate offense, when Melo goes toward the hoop, at least 2 players should go also and make defenses pay for double and triple-teaming him. Teams have caught up to the Knicks and if they change their offensive schemes, they will probably play .500 ball the rest of the way.

Exactly he will never have the ball handling, court vision 7 speed to drop 14assists but he can average around 5 instead of his career 3.1assists

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1/27/2013  6:36 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Under 30? We have him at a max salary for 2 1/2 more years. Why wear out his body just to get a couple more regular season wins?

To secure a top 2 seed and avoid another 1st round sweep


So we're gonna use up all the cartilage in the knees of our $100 mil investment to get one round further in the playoffs?
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1/27/2013  6:41 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Under 30? We have him at a max salary for 2 1/2 more years. Why wear out his body just to get a couple more regular season wins?

To secure a top 2 seed and avoid another 1st round sweep


So we're gonna use up all the cartilage in the knees of our $100 mil investment to get one round further in the playoffs?

Chances are he is not going to last another 2 1/2yrs regardless. Gotta go all out this year. This is the year for this squad. Its only getting worse after this year. Start Amare play him under 30mins, play him less on back to backs but establish that Tyson, Melo and Amare can play together and the struggles last year had more to do with Dantoni's system. I'm willing to bet anything Amare will start once Sheed is back in a week or 2

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1/27/2013  6:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/27/2013  6:48 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Under 30? We have him at a max salary for 2 1/2 more years. Why wear out his body just to get a couple more regular season wins?

To secure a top 2 seed and avoid another 1st round sweep


So we're gonna use up all the cartilage in the knees of our $100 mil investment to get one round further in the playoffs?

gunsewing in a on Crusade and it's way past mind numbing at this point.

Look Amar'e is doing some good things on the court but part of the reason he's playing relatively well is because he has a bench role. Starting Amar'e is not going to get us wins/fix our current problems and to be honest it's going to throw Melo and the rest of the team out of sorts..//

Now had Amar'e not got injured and we tried to establish a particular style of play in the beginning, I would have preferred we run more of our system through him.

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1/27/2013  6:46 PM
Crusade sounds about right lol

IMO Woodson is slowly easing into starting Amare. Tyson, Amare and Melo are seeing a lot of time together. Only reason he is not starting is cos Sheed and Camby are out and there's no one to backup Tyson

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1/27/2013  6:49 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Crusade sounds about right lol

IMO Woodson is slowly easing into starting Amare. Tyson, Amare and Melo are seeing a lot of time together. Only reason he is not starting is cos Sheed and Camby are out and there's no one to backup Tyson

They still aren't playing that well together collectively

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1/27/2013  6:53 PM
It takes time. Amare is playing well. If it means running the offense through him until Melo finds his niche and his shot again so be it. We have a PG this year to get everyone involved. Last year with did not. No reason reason to dump the ball into Melo every time this year. Melo needs to play off the ball like he said he would on media day. Actions louder than words
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1/27/2013  7:38 PM
really? look at the standings
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1/27/2013  7:42 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:really? look at the standings

yea 2 games from falling to 6th. Rather not look

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1/28/2013  7:34 AM
Anji wrote:Time to dump on Melo already???

In a week this thread will be gone and forgotten.


agree... kinda like that MVP "discussion" went away.

This is fine. It makes perfect sense that while Amare is looking better and better on offense shooting > 50% that Melo and JR take 43 shots vs. 9 for Amare.

The best part is when this style of play leads to yet another Melo first round exit folks will be killing Amare's D and blame Novak or something.

When Melo has a game like he had vs. the Hawks it only serves to justify all the 11-28 shootings nights he will follow it up with. Doesnt help he hasnt played a lick of defense since the first month of the season. Yawn. Im sure nykmentality will launch into a 3 page response detailing all the reasons for this.

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1/28/2013  7:49 AM
fishmike wrote:
Anji wrote:Time to dump on Melo already???

In a week this thread will be gone and forgotten.


agree... kinda like that MVP "discussion" went away.

This is fine. It makes perfect sense that while Amare is looking better and better on offense shooting > 50% that Melo and JR take 43 shots vs. 9 for Amare.

The best part is when this style of play leads to yet another Melo first round exit folks will be killing Amare's D and blame Novak or something.

When Melo has a game like he had vs. the Hawks it only serves to justify all the 11-28 shootings nights he will follow it up with. Doesnt help he hasnt played a lick of defense since the first month of the season. Yawn. Im sure nykmentality will launch into a 3 page response detailing all the reasons for this.

Actually, the biggest defensive play of the game was when Melo and Amare trapped Smith at halfcourt causing the violation....To be fair, Amare took about 13 shots when you consider he was fouled while shooting and he took 8 Freethrows.

I agree 28 shots per is a bit much, although cant fault him too much for the Hawks game since he was so hot, but keep in mind Amare is only getting 25-28 mins to Melo's 42-44 mins nightly. Keep Melo on the floor that long he's going to launch cause that what he does. Amare's touches are a direct correlation to the PNR, our pg and our coach. Not sure why Woodson hasn't called more PNR with Stat.

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1/28/2013  7:52 AM
somewhere between "StarMooby" (blind Love for Melo) and hating on him lies the truth.

Last nite he as hot and knicks rode him. Im not sure I love the reliance for points but at home against ATL I thought the way the game was going thats how you have to go when you have a hot star like that that.

Working shump and Amare into the rotation has a higher ceiling then not. It has to be if we are to make noise in the playoffs.

James White really can't stay on the floor can he?

Melo diva ball slam could have really cost us. I can't say I blame him for getting mad but there are games to win.

In the end it was a quick drive AND ONE that sealed the victory. ATL played a tough road game and while we all would like a more balanced attack for now Melo is being ridden a lot. Last nite is the kind of game that puts him in the conversation.

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1/28/2013  8:35 AM
Amar'e is playing at a high level and I think he should get more touches and involvement in the offense (starting or off bench). However, that has to do with coaching rather than Melo. Melo has been great.
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1/28/2013  8:37 AM
fishmike wrote:
Anji wrote:Time to dump on Melo already???

In a week this thread will be gone and forgotten.


agree... kinda like that MVP "discussion" went away.

This is fine. It makes perfect sense that while Amare is looking better and better on offense shooting > 50% that Melo and JR take 43 shots vs. 9 for Amare.

The best part is when this style of play leads to yet another Melo first round exit folks will be killing Amare's D and blame Novak or something.

When Melo has a game like he had vs. the Hawks it only serves to justify all the 11-28 shootings nights he will follow it up with. Doesnt help he hasnt played a lick of defense since the first month of the season. Yawn. Im sure nykmentality will launch into a 3 page response detailing all the reasons for this.

lol..couldn't have said it no better..word for word

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1/28/2013  8:38 AM
Uptown wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Anji wrote:Time to dump on Melo already???

In a week this thread will be gone and forgotten.


agree... kinda like that MVP "discussion" went away.

This is fine. It makes perfect sense that while Amare is looking better and better on offense shooting > 50% that Melo and JR take 43 shots vs. 9 for Amare.

The best part is when this style of play leads to yet another Melo first round exit folks will be killing Amare's D and blame Novak or something.

When Melo has a game like he had vs. the Hawks it only serves to justify all the 11-28 shootings nights he will follow it up with. Doesnt help he hasnt played a lick of defense since the first month of the season. Yawn. Im sure nykmentality will launch into a 3 page response detailing all the reasons for this.

Actually, the biggest defensive play of the game was when Melo and Amare trapped Smith at halfcourt causing the violation....To be fair, Amare took about 13 shots when you consider he was fouled while shooting and he took 8 Freethrows.

I agree 28 shots per is a bit much, although cant fault him too much for the Hawks game since he was so hot, but keep in mind Amare is only getting 25-28 mins to Melo's 42-44 mins nightly. Keep Melo on the floor that long he's going to launch cause that what he does. Amare's touches are a direct correlation to the PNR, our pg and our coach. Not sure why Woodson hasn't called more PNR with Stat.

I will definatly put some responsibility on the coach, because he's playing Melo too many minutes. When that happens you focus on what what your best at, and with Melo its obviously putting up shots. If Melo isnt going to play the kind of defense he played to start the season he needs to have his minutes cut so he has the energy to do so, but that whole 'holding everyone accountable' thing is nice for a few weeks, but its a pain in the ass over 6 months. What happens is players and coachs fall into their patterns. For Melo its jacking shots and getting his #s.

Melo seems to be under the impression Knicks need him to shoot 30x a game to win. To be fair that will get this group to 50 wins assuming the others play hard around him. It will also get us out of the playoffs in the first round as it always does. The only way this team comes close to hitting its ceiling is if there is balance, and right now there is zero balance. You have two volume low % shooters taking almost half the shots night in and night out. Thats a recipe for failure come postseason. It always is.

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