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jrodmc
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1/28/2013  9:40 AM
3G4G wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I find it interesting how some flavor of this stat is always mentioned:
Nuggets are 66-45 (.595) since trading Carmelo Anthony Stat Knicks are 64-47 (.577) since acquiring Carmelo Anthony

...but this one never is:
From 2003-04 to the present, season over season, the
Nuggets were (.591) with Melo and are (.583) without Melo
Knicks were (.387) without Melo and are (.597) with Melo

Now who made out better with the trade?

The second stat is misleading, Knicks were playing above .500 the season of the trade, and Melo trade has nothing to do with the decade of garbage,

Denver didn't make a bad trade, they weren't going anywhere with Melo and now they are pretty much in the same place without him,

I think the only relevant point is that both teams have seemingly gotten what they wanted out of the trade. A win, win for both ball clubs.


If The Nuggets trade Mozgov for either a 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th round pick I'm going to be like a Silver Back Gorilla at a zoo throwing my poo against the glass as little kids come up to antagonizing me....

I'm confused by the imagery. I thought Moz was worth at least a first or second rounder, isn't he?
Are you saying you would be a happy, violent gorilla, or just angry and filled with primal hate because we traded away this nothing to end up being in 1st place in the division?

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1/28/2013  10:14 AM
jrodmc wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
dk7th wrote:denver got younger and deeper and the knicks got older-- a lot older-- and deeper.

nuggets are not in win-now and will continue to improve. knicks are in win-now and don't have the wherewithal to improve.

apparently the argument is that, post-trade, denver now has no go-to alpha closer superstar whereas the knicks do. therefore the knicks are going to be more successful not only in the regular season but especially in the playoffs when such a go-to alpha closer superstar is necessary.

the issue is if melo is not a true difference maker he is at least a better player than anyone the knicks traded.

even if that is true... BFD

How do you know they will continue to improve? Maybe they will continue to make trades to stay a 5-8 seed without any hope of ever going far in the playoffs. How many times will they over pay then trade? Over pay then trade. THe smarter thing for them would be to build in the draft or get in the Love sweepstakes although he may not be a team changing player although coupled with the right pieces he can be more valuable. I see Love being like Chris Bosh but better.

they will get better with the players they have. it remains to be seen how wise it was to trade for iguodala since afflalo is a pretty solid player. maybe iguodala will figure it out. but they have solid young players at each position and are pretty much two deep. karl prefers young legs and ball movement. stamina is important in a marathon season.

my point is that they are all going to continue to mature individually while learning each other's tendencies over the next couple of years. that's one way of how you build a legitimate contender. if not then of course trades are warranted but it is too early to tell.

the knicks simply do not have time on their side given this roster.

See it's tweaking to make a deep run and tweaking to just continue to be a low seed. Pace and statistic favored them against L.A. last year but yet they still lost. You think they will grow overtime but it is more likely they will make another trade like the Nene one or the Affalo one. They will probably eventually move on from Lawson not wanting to pay big for someone of his size a defensive ability. Who knows its a wait and see thing.

Right. Building and tooling and tweaking with lots of 1st and 2nd rounders that will be where in the draft since the Nuggs will most likely continue to not be a lottery team?

I forget, who was the last unstarphucqued team to win a chip?

I love arguments that build on forum poster's innate need to play realgm for all eternity.

I wish I had the ambition or cared enough to go back to through the Walshian era of UK posts to see if any of the Somberites ever complained about the rebuilding/retooling/cap space/lottery draft pick period while it was occurring here.

YOu have really do have an obligation to erect your moral standing and find that one, or even two "somberites", call them out, hang them out to dry, stick your chest out,stand up straight and claim whats yours!

jrodmc
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1/28/2013  11:14 AM
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
dk7th wrote:denver got younger and deeper and the knicks got older-- a lot older-- and deeper.

nuggets are not in win-now and will continue to improve. knicks are in win-now and don't have the wherewithal to improve.

apparently the argument is that, post-trade, denver now has no go-to alpha closer superstar whereas the knicks do. therefore the knicks are going to be more successful not only in the regular season but especially in the playoffs when such a go-to alpha closer superstar is necessary.

the issue is if melo is not a true difference maker he is at least a better player than anyone the knicks traded.

even if that is true... BFD

How do you know they will continue to improve? Maybe they will continue to make trades to stay a 5-8 seed without any hope of ever going far in the playoffs. How many times will they over pay then trade? Over pay then trade. THe smarter thing for them would be to build in the draft or get in the Love sweepstakes although he may not be a team changing player although coupled with the right pieces he can be more valuable. I see Love being like Chris Bosh but better.

they will get better with the players they have. it remains to be seen how wise it was to trade for iguodala since afflalo is a pretty solid player. maybe iguodala will figure it out. but they have solid young players at each position and are pretty much two deep. karl prefers young legs and ball movement. stamina is important in a marathon season.

my point is that they are all going to continue to mature individually while learning each other's tendencies over the next couple of years. that's one way of how you build a legitimate contender. if not then of course trades are warranted but it is too early to tell.

the knicks simply do not have time on their side given this roster.

See it's tweaking to make a deep run and tweaking to just continue to be a low seed. Pace and statistic favored them against L.A. last year but yet they still lost. You think they will grow overtime but it is more likely they will make another trade like the Nene one or the Affalo one. They will probably eventually move on from Lawson not wanting to pay big for someone of his size a defensive ability. Who knows its a wait and see thing.

Right. Building and tooling and tweaking with lots of 1st and 2nd rounders that will be where in the draft since the Nuggs will most likely continue to not be a lottery team?

I forget, who was the last unstarphucqued team to win a chip?

I love arguments that build on forum poster's innate need to play realgm for all eternity.

I wish I had the ambition or cared enough to go back to through the Walshian era of UK posts to see if any of the Somberites ever complained about the rebuilding/retooling/cap space/lottery draft pick period while it was occurring here.

YOu have really do have an obligation to erect your moral standing and find that one, or even two "somberites", call them out, hang them out to dry, stick your chest out,stand up straight and claim whats yours!

Actually, we both know if I did find those posts, they'd say I was them, or Bip, or you. So it would be wasted effort. More so than usual around here.

Things are so difficult and pseudo-PMS around here, the longer this team exists in first place at anything. Recycled hate is even more yawn-inspiring than the original. Thankfully, we're barely playing .500 ball, giving the "somberanians" reasons to thump fists and chest bump.

Wojo Article:Maturation of 'Melo:Carmelo Anthony Shows Poise of MVP

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