Bonn1997 wrote:We have an old roster. It was predictable and predicted that this would happen.

No **** Bonn...I don't remember one person who didn't say age was not an issue...U act like u were the only one saying it...I could show u that I probably started twice the number of threads as u did concerning the age of this squad but what's the point now???..Age isn't our problem, it's Felton, Amare and Shumpert...We would be ok if those guys were healthy all year...

Bonn1997 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We have an old roster. It was predictable and predicted that this would happen.

That's a myth. We're not an "old team".

Yes, we have three old backups in Kidd (backup PG). Rasheed (backup PF). Camby (backup Center) and two 3rd stringers in Pablo (3rd string PG) and Kurt (3rd string PF).

You wanna talk about an old team? You talk about the L.A Lakers. Nash (38). Bryant (34). Artest (33). Gasol (32).

The Lakers feature 4 starters who are 32 years of age and/or older.

The Knicks feature 0 starters who are 32 years of age and/or older and only feature two starters in Tyson and Amar'e who are both exactly 30 years of age.

The Lakers starting 5 is at an average of 32.8 years of age.

Felton (28). Shumpert (22). Melo (28). Stoudemire (30). Chandler (30).

The Knicks starting 5 is at an average of only 27.6 years of age.

Far from "old". Especially in regards to our starting 5.

Our 6th man off the bench in J.R Smith is only 27 years of age. Brewer is only 27. Copeland is only 28. Novak is only 29.

Which one of these players are... "OLD"?

Kidd is pretty much our only aging backup who we'll need and/or ask to play a significant amount of playing time. Experienced? Without question. "Old"? A myth. Kurt and Pablo are both 3rd stringers.

That's how many of you guys who said age and injuries shouldn't be a concern were analyzing the roster at the start of the season too. Why not just admit you were wrong?

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We have an old roster. It was predictable and predicted that this would happen.

U act like u were the only one saying it.

I never said or believed that. You just have a reading problem.

U are saying that many people here were saying it was fine to have old guys on this roster...I don't remember that.. But what's the point now...It that our biggest problem or is it not having Felton??..Unless u think Felton is old too..

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We have an old roster. It was predictable and predicted that this would happen.

That's a myth. We're not an "old team".

Yes, we have three old backups in Kidd (backup PG). Rasheed (backup PF). Camby (backup Center) and two 3rd stringers in Pablo (3rd string PG) and Kurt (3rd string PF).

You wanna talk about an old team? You talk about the L.A Lakers. Nash (38). Bryant (34). Artest (33). Gasol (32).

The Lakers feature 4 starters who are 32 years of age and/or older.

The Knicks feature 0 starters who are 32 years of age and/or older and only feature two starters in Tyson and Amar'e who are both exactly 30 years of age.

The Lakers starting 5 is at an average of 32.8 years of age.

Felton (28). Shumpert (22). Melo (28). Stoudemire (30). Chandler (30).

The Knicks starting 5 is at an average of only 27.6 years of age.

Far from "old". Especially in regards to our starting 5.

Our 6th man off the bench in J.R Smith is only 27 years of age. Brewer is only 27. Copeland is only 28. Novak is only 29.

Which one of these players are... "OLD"?

Kidd is pretty much our only aging backup who we'll need and/or ask to play a significant amount of playing time. Experienced? Without question. "Old"? A myth. Kurt and Pablo are both 3rd stringers.

That's how many of you guys who said age and injuries shouldn't be a concern were analyzing the roster at the start of the season too. Why not just admit you were wrong?

This is where u said many of u guys said age shouldn't be a concern...

IronWillGiroud wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

holfresh wrote:Now counting the old dudes..Your starting PF misses 30 games, starting SG missed 37 games and playing limited minutes when back..Starting PG misses 12 games and counting..Not a his deal at all..

Erase the injuries of Camby, Thomas and Rasheed and how many wins would we have? Because...

Our 2nd string PF (during our first 30 games) in Kurt Thomas missed 15 games.
Our backup PF in Rasheed Wallace has missed 20 games.
Our backup Center in Camby has missed 26 games.

Yea, those injuries don't matter and/or count.

Not to mention our true superstar player in Melo has missed 7 games.

And as you stated holfresh, our starting PF has missed 30 games. Our starting 2G missed 37 games and our starting PG has missed 12 games.

When the hell did Amar'e become our starting PF? What did I miss?? This is creative revisionist history

I guess you missed the offseason of 2010. That's where Amar'e was signed as our starting PF. That's when Amar'e set a franchise record for consecutive games of 30+ points. That's when Amar'e took our franchise on his back before leading us to the playoffs as a one man offensive machine. And then the trade happened. Where have you been? Because back in 2010 Amar'e became our starting PF and we're now on the verge of 3 consecutive trips to the postseason since the addition of Amar'e Stoudemire. Where have you been dude?

Also, by you questioning if Amar'e is our starting PF or not. Guess what? You pretty much proved my point with this post above. Without knowingly doing so as well. Thanks.

Stoudemire has been injured this season but let's not act as if Amar'e himself hasn't been our starting PF dating back to 2010-2011. 3rd season as a Knick now. And why hasn't he been a starter "officially" during our past 10 games? Because he's just now coming back from injury. Not yet able to average his career average of 34.3 minutes per game. Only averaging 21.3 minutes per game. Just goes to show how injured our PF position has truthfully been this season. We haven't even gotten an "official" start out of Amar'e yet.

And if Amar'e isn't our starting PF? Is it safe to say that Rasheed Wallace is? Because Wallace averages 14.6 minutes per game. Only behind Amar'e at the PF position. So, does that mean our current starting PF in Rasheed Wallace has missed 20 games? Damn.

And also, if Stoudemire's not our starting PF, who is? Chris Copeland who's only averaging 12.6 minutes per game? Or was it Rasheed who averaged 14.6 minutes per game while also missing 20 games. In case you haven't noticed, Stoudemire has averaged 21.3 minutes per game during his 10 games back since return. Those 21.3 minutes per game? More than any PF on the team in regards to Kurt, Camby, Rasheed and Copeland. And yes, Camby also played lots of PF before going down again.

Yea, I guess Stoudemire isn't our starting PF despite the fact he's getting more minutes than any PF in regards to Rasheed, Copeland and/or Kurt Thomas.

So, if Rose comes off the bench during his first two games after returning from injury with Chicago, would it be fair to take your same B.S philosophy and/or point of view by stating this... "Since when has Rose been Chicago's starting PG" because lets face it, if Rose doesn't start INSTANTLY after returning from injury ala the Amar'e situation, does that mean he's not Chicago's starting PG anymore? Nice to know...

Two things:

Amar'e is coming off the bench not because of injury, but because the long term plan at this point is to use him in the 6th man role,

things could change, you never know how the team will react to adjustments, let's see what Felton's return does,

and,

Amar'e will never again in his life play 34 minutes per game, look for high 20s at BEST this year

You never have anything positive to say about amare, while everybody(media and all) are talking about how good amare is starting to look, you somehow think that he should avg 40 min 30ppg, 12 rbs, and 5 ast 4 blks and 3 stl, and if he can't do that he sucks..

IronWillGiroud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

holfresh wrote:Now counting the old dudes..Your starting PF misses 30 games, starting SG missed 37 games and playing limited minutes when back..Starting PG misses 12 games and counting..Not a his deal at all..

Erase the injuries of Camby, Thomas and Rasheed and how many wins would we have? Because...

Our 2nd string PF (during our first 30 games) in Kurt Thomas missed 15 games.
Our backup PF in Rasheed Wallace has missed 20 games.
Our backup Center in Camby has missed 26 games.

Yea, those injuries don't matter and/or count.

Not to mention our true superstar player in Melo has missed 7 games.

And as you stated holfresh, our starting PF has missed 30 games. Our starting 2G missed 37 games and our starting PG has missed 12 games.

When the hell did Amar'e become our starting PF? What did I miss?? This is creative revisionist history

I guess you missed the offseason of 2010. That's where Amar'e was signed as our starting PF. That's when Amar'e set a franchise record for consecutive games of 30+ points. That's when Amar'e took our franchise on his back before leading us to the playoffs as a one man offensive machine. And then the trade happened. Where have you been? Because back in 2010 Amar'e became our starting PF and we're now on the verge of 3 consecutive trips to the postseason since the addition of Amar'e Stoudemire. Where have you been dude?

Also, by you questioning if Amar'e is our starting PF or not. Guess what? You pretty much proved my point with this post above. Without knowingly doing so as well. Thanks.

Stoudemire has been injured this season but let's not act as if Amar'e himself hasn't been our starting PF dating back to 2010-2011. 3rd season as a Knick now. And why hasn't he been a starter "officially" during our past 10 games? Because he's just now coming back from injury. Not yet able to average his career average of 34.3 minutes per game. Only averaging 21.3 minutes per game. Just goes to show how injured our PF position has truthfully been this season. We haven't even gotten an "official" start out of Amar'e yet.

And if Amar'e isn't our starting PF? Is it safe to say that Rasheed Wallace is? Because Wallace averages 14.6 minutes per game. Only behind Amar'e at the PF position. So, does that mean our current starting PF in Rasheed Wallace has missed 20 games? Damn.

And also, if Stoudemire's not our starting PF, who is? Chris Copeland who's only averaging 12.6 minutes per game? Or was it Rasheed who averaged 14.6 minutes per game while also missing 20 games. In case you haven't noticed, Stoudemire has averaged 21.3 minutes per game during his 10 games back since return. Those 21.3 minutes per game? More than any PF on the team in regards to Kurt, Camby, Rasheed and Copeland. And yes, Camby also played lots of PF before going down again.

Yea, I guess Stoudemire isn't our starting PF despite the fact he's getting more minutes than any PF in regards to Rasheed, Copeland and/or Kurt Thomas.

So, if Rose comes off the bench during his first two games after returning from injury with Chicago, would it be fair to take your same B.S philosophy and/or point of view by stating this... "Since when has Rose been Chicago's starting PG" because lets face it, if Rose doesn't start INSTANTLY after returning from injury ala the Amar'e situation, does that mean he's not Chicago's starting PG anymore? Nice to know...

Two things:

Amar'e is coming off the bench not because of injury, but because the long term plan at this point is to use him in the 6th man role,

things could change, you never know how the team will react to adjustments, let's see what Felton's return does,

and,

Amar'e will never again in his life play 34 minutes per game, look for high 20s at BEST this year

You never have anything positive to say about amare, while everybody(media and all) are talking about how good amare is starting to look, you somehow think that he should avg 40 min 30ppg, 12 rbs, and 5 ast 4 blks and 3 stl, and if he can't do that he sucks..

I'm Amar'e's biggest supporter on this entire site, I love the guy as a human being,

but as a ball player he's washed up and he's taking up an awful lot of salary,

By "media" you mean Dolan's propaganda machine, like Alan Hahn tweeting that "Amar'e looks so fluid, it's just a matter of time until he has a huge game!!"

YEA RIGHT! That tweet came straight from Dolan's desk, come on

has any player benefited from playing with melo...EVER Amare has taken a complete step back since tyson and melo have become knicks.., he's touches are down by almost 10, he's rebounds are down cause tyson and melo are also in the paint...

melo is a volume shooter, and will be that way until thy kingdom come..Tyson isn't leaving the paint even if a naked beyonce was on the perimeter waiving for help..whats amare to do when the coach calls melo's # 90% of the time

TeamBall wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:Two things:

Amar'e is coming off the bench not because of injury, but because the long term plan at this point is to use him in the 6th man role,

things could change, you never know how the team will react to adjustments, let's see what Felton's return does,

and,

Amar'e will never again in his life play 34 minutes per game, look for high 20s at BEST this year

I dont know about that. From the day Amare first played this season, Woodson has at some point had him in the game with Melo and Chandler. It kinda makes me think hes making an effort to get them acclimated for when Amare starts.

PHILADELPHIA -- Amar'e Stoudemire has shown signs of returning to the explosive player he was two years ago, but Mike Woodson doesn't plan to start him in the foreseeable future.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/amar-e-stoudemire-will-continue-to-come-off-the-bench-1.4512126

dk7th wrote:only way melo and amare co-exist is when melo gets doubled in the lane and finds amare for a finish at the basket. it worked great 2 games ago. amare is a great finisher and a lousy passer. he has no business hanging around the free throw line extended unless melo is off the floor. meanwhile melo is a better passer and not nearly the finisher amare is.

last season i thought they could make a great pick and roll tandem but they proved me wrong.

Actually if you look at there numbers it's been pretty good together without Chandler. Although, when Melo first came they were doing very well even with another big on the floor. Melo actually looks for Amar'e more than people think. Last year Melo assisted Amar'e more than any other player. The key to their PnR working is Amar'e Jumper. If gets back to making that it makes the big hang just enough to create an easier opportunity at the basket for Melo. Maybe cut down some of those blks.

Also, if Amar'e continues to grow as a post player then thats another bonus. I have yet to see him not get great post position since he has been back and each game he seems less and less stiff. Amar'e is still in pre-season form.

NYKMentality wrote:I'd love to have both Sheed and Camby back. Once Felton returns? Our core group of player will finally be at full strength with Felton, Shumpert, Melo, Amar'e, Chandler, J.R, Kidd and Novak. That's our core nucleus in my honest opinion.

Veteran BIG's such as Kurt Thomas, Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby could be what put's us over the top. Those veteran ring chasers. Veteran BIG's with lots of basketball I.Q, veteran leadership, knowledge of the game of basketball down low along with lots of postseason experience. This is what Melo needs in order to lead a team deep into postseason play. Help. These veteran BIG's can provide just that.

I understand that both Rasheed and Camby could be on the verge of returning sooner rather than later, but I truthfully hope we really limit their minutes in regards to veteran BIG's such as Kurt, Camby and Rasheed during the regular season. Come postseason play? Unleash these veteran BIG's at hopefully full strength.

We're not far from...

C: Tyson Chandler.
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire.
SF: Carmelo Anthony.
2G: Iman Shumpert.
PG: Raymond Felton.

A starting five in which can compete with any starting 5 in the game today. We've yet to even see our starting 5 play on the same court together here in 2012-2013. Once Felton returns? If Chandler, Amar'e, Melo and Shumpert can remain healthy? It's on the verge of happening. Shumpert is in a perfect situation to become a stand our Star for our Knicks. Young. Athletic. Quick. Explosive. Lock down defense. Heart. Etc. We're surrounding Shump with veterans who can bring potential greatness out of this kid. Our young up and coming 2G in Shumpert can become something special. Just look at the talent surrounding this kid. Melo can lead. Chandler can feast on the boards and protect our paint. Felton with both Chandler and Amar'e down low? Watch out for Felton upon his return.

C: Marcus Camby.
PF: Rasheed Wallace.
SF: Steve Novak.
2G: J.R Smith.
PG: Jason Kidd.

Look at our backup 5. That's unreal. A future H.O.F veteran leader at the PG position in Kidd. A 6th Man of the Year contender in J.R Smith. A sharp shooting three point specialist in Novak. Followed by two veteran/tough BIG's in Rasheed and Camby at the PF and Center position(s).

Then we'll have 11th, 12th and 13th men off the bench in Pablo, Brewer and one of either Copeland/Kurt Thomas. Unreal.

When we're at full strength, which could be in less than a week or two upon Felton, Rasheed and Camby's return? Knicks basketball will become stronger than ever.

Pony up, http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/amar-e-stoudemire-will-continue-to-come-off-the-bench-1.4512126

You're still calling Amar'e our starting PF?? That's unreal

Is Sheed ever going to play ball again?

It's a wishful analysis you offer,