CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:holfresh your point was Houston is paying Lin more than we could, which is not true.

Then you're saying since we couldn't backload then the Knicks couldn't offer a deal at all....another untruth.

But the point is why offer when you CAN match whatever, whether higher or lower than expected?

Bro u are absolutely confusing me...So what was all the posturing by Woody about when he said he would match anything...If the Knicks could have offer Lin more money, then this is certainly news to me...Then u are right, I don't understand what was going on...But u might have to provide proof the Knicks could have offered more than Houston..Ur word don't exactly cut it..I think u are completely wrong on this...

No team could offer more than NY could match....that is all you need to know.

Does not matter if they offer a deal or not the power was THEIRS.

And you have to stop believing media hype, no one from the Knicks management said they'll match anything.

Find a Knick official who said this.

The coach does not cut the checks or sign the agreements.

Grunwald said "they could if they wanted to".

Before we get into who said what...Let's clear up the math, You do realize 24 mil over 3 years is more money than 24 mil over 4 years???

Irrelevant....they can match whatever is offered.

Quit dodging your very first point, address that point first.

You said the Knicks offered no contract because they couldn't offer more than others could....false.

What is relevant is that estimates on the cost of year three of that contract with where it would put the Knicks cap wise was an actual 45-60 mil just for Lin. Morey isn't stupid he structured the contract so that it was almost impossible to match.

All true, but we have to first understand the the same money over three years is preferable than four years...

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:holfresh your point was Houston is paying Lin more than we could, which is not true.

Then you're saying since we couldn't backload then the Knicks couldn't offer a deal at all....another untruth.

But the point is why offer when you CAN match whatever, whether higher or lower than expected?

Bro u are absolutely confusing me...So what was all the posturing by Woody about when he said he would match anything...If the Knicks could have offer Lin more money, then this is certainly news to me...Then u are right, I don't understand what was going on...But u might have to provide proof the Knicks could have offered more than Houston..Ur word don't exactly cut it..I think u are completely wrong on this...

No team could offer more than NY could match....that is all you need to know.

Does not matter if they offer a deal or not the power was THEIRS.

And you have to stop believing media hype, no one from the Knicks management said they'll match anything.

Find a Knick official who said this.

The coach does not cut the checks or sign the agreements.

Grunwald said "they could if they wanted to".

Before we get into who said what...Let's clear up the math, You do realize 24 mil over 3 years is more money than 24 mil over 4 years???

Irrelevant....they can match whatever is offered.

Quit dodging your very first point, address that point first.

You said the Knicks offered no contract because they couldn't offer more than others could....false.

Well, if you are serious...That is my first point...24 over 3 does not equal 24 over 4...

Wrong....this was your first post......

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:Let's put it this way, last Summer no other team in the league offered JR a contract and we never offered one to Lin. To try and parse out the loyalty levels of different players in different situations is basically useless.

Well if you believe all that was written, we couldn't offer Lin a contract, maybe because he wanted more than the 5 mil per...Also JR said he had other options...If u need a link let me know...

"I have decided to re-sign with the Knicks. I just felt that, despite my other options, New York is the best situation for me," Smith said in a statement released to ESPNNewYork.com. "Coach (Mike) Woodson showed a lot of faith and trust in me last season, as did (Knicks owner) Mr. (James) Dolan and the organization.

"My teammates are great to play with and New York fans are the best. I can't wait to get started."

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:holfresh your point was Houston is paying Lin more than we could, which is not true.

Then you're saying since we couldn't backload then the Knicks couldn't offer a deal at all....another untruth.

But the point is why offer when you CAN match whatever, whether higher or lower than expected?

Bro u are absolutely confusing me...So what was all the posturing by Woody about when he said he would match anything...If the Knicks could have offer Lin more money, then this is certainly news to me...Then u are right, I don't understand what was going on...But u might have to provide proof the Knicks could have offered more than Houston..Ur word don't exactly cut it..I think u are completely wrong on this...

No team could offer more than NY could match....that is all you need to know.

Does not matter if they offer a deal or not the power was THEIRS.

And you have to stop believing media hype, no one from the Knicks management said they'll match anything.

Find a Knick official who said this.

The coach does not cut the checks or sign the agreements.

Grunwald said "they could if they wanted to".

Before we get into who said what...Let's clear up the math, You do realize 24 mil over 3 years is more money than 24 mil over 4 years???

Irrelevant....they can match whatever is offered.

Quit dodging your very first point, address that point first.

You said the Knicks offered no contract because they couldn't offer more than others could....false.

Well, if you are serious...That is my first point...24 over 3 does not equal 24 over 4...

Wrong....this was your first post......

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:Let's put it this way, last Summer no other team in the league offered JR a contract and we never offered one to Lin. To try and parse out the loyalty levels of different players in different situations is basically useless.

Well if you believe all that was written, we couldn't offer Lin a contract, maybe because he wanted more than the 5 mil per...Also JR said he had other options...If u need a link let me know...

"I have decided to re-sign with the Knicks. I just felt that, despite my other options, New York is the best situation for me," Smith said in a statement released to ESPNNewYork.com. "Coach (Mike) Woodson showed a lot of faith and trust in me last season, as did (Knicks owner) Mr. (James) Dolan and the organization.

"My teammates are great to play with and New York fans are the best. I can't wait to get started."

Oh that, well most here including myself that the Knicks could not have offered him more than 5 mil per so he shopped to maximize his deal...This is an article from Forbes about it....

http://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2012/07/18/jeremy-lin-may-be-the-dumbest-harvard-grad-ever/

To review, the point guard’s scrub-to-star rise in February – Linsanity! — has arguably been the best sports story of the year, played out on one of the biggest stages, Madison Square Garden. But the NBA’s complicated labor rules forced Lin to shop around his services in order to maximize his next contract with the Knicks. At first, he did so brilliantly, according to numerous reports, originally getting Houston to offer him roughly $5 million for his first two years of his contract (the maximum anyone was allowed), and then a $9 million balloon in the third year, with a team option for a fourth.

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:holfresh your point was Houston is paying Lin more than we could, which is not true.

Then you're saying since we couldn't backload then the Knicks couldn't offer a deal at all....another untruth.

But the point is why offer when you CAN match whatever, whether higher or lower than expected?

Bro u are absolutely confusing me...So what was all the posturing by Woody about when he said he would match anything...If the Knicks could have offer Lin more money, then this is certainly news to me...Then u are right, I don't understand what was going on...But u might have to provide proof the Knicks could have offered more than Houston..Ur word don't exactly cut it..I think u are completely wrong on this...

No team could offer more than NY could match....that is all you need to know.

Does not matter if they offer a deal or not the power was THEIRS.

And you have to stop believing media hype, no one from the Knicks management said they'll match anything.

Find a Knick official who said this.

The coach does not cut the checks or sign the agreements.

Grunwald said "they could if they wanted to".

Before we get into who said what...Let's clear up the math, You do realize 24 mil over 3 years is more money than 24 mil over 4 years???

Irrelevant....they can match whatever is offered.

Quit dodging your very first point, address that point first.

You said the Knicks offered no contract because they couldn't offer more than others could....false.

What is relevant is that estimates on the cost of year three of that contract with where it would put the Knicks cap wise was an actual 45-60 mil just for Lin. Morey isn't stupid he structured the contract so that it was almost impossible to match.

All true, but we have to first understand the the same money over three years is preferable than four years...

We don't know that since no one offered a guaranteed 4 year deal.

Here something for you to think about to put it all in perspective......

Mavs offer Tyson 1 year 20 mil.

Knicks offer Tyson 4 55.

By your math Tyson is getting beat.

So u can better understand the scenario, make the Mav's offer 55 over 1 year...Same dollar amount as with Lin in ESPN's scanario...Which is the better deal?

knickscity wrote:Good day dude, you clearly want to avoid your main point at all costs.

Not avoiding it at all...Did u read the article saying Lin had to go elsewhere to maximize his deal with the Knicks???

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:Good day dude, you clearly want to avoid your main point at all costs.

Not avoiding it at all...Did u read the article saying Lin had to go elsewhere to maximize his deal with the Knicks???

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:Good day dude, you clearly want to avoid your main point at all costs.

Not avoiding it at all...Did u read the article saying Lin had to go elsewhere to maximize his deal with the Knicks???

did you read the article that said Lin was the dumbest harvard grad ever for doing so?

yes

knickscity wrote:To make that point even more to the point Forbes wrote both of them...rofl...

It's actually the same article...

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

JR Smith bleeds the blue and orange and I believe that even if a poison pill was offered he would not take it. The only thing that would be important to JR Smith would be that he starts and after the second year he would have a bail out clause. He is a New Jersey boy who love the Knicks. Lin gave us the poison pill and if we would have kept Lin it would have been very difficult for Melo to be who he is now. Making Lin some sort of hero over Melo would be a hard pill for Melo to swallow even though Lin can't be compared to the greatness of Melo.

How could u make a post about such a statement?

1) WE NEVER OFFERED LIN A CONTRACT....

2) I seriously do not think JR Smith's other deals this summer were much better than 4m or so, what OJ mayo got....

3) The test for loyalty is this summer, if JR continues to play this way, especially if he and we perform well during the playoffs...

WE CAN ONLY OFFER HIM 5m per year or so, if he continues to play like this, his loyalty will be tested, and stop making comments Lin look like he did something to screw the Knicks.

What world do u live in, if someone offers u a contract that will pay u more, u will not take it?
Lin did not have an option to sign the first offer or choose the 2nd one, come on,

If you were Lin, u would not sign the only contract that was offered to u, and the most possible that u could make, *with the match up to a billion dollar comments*????
Lin did not give us the poison pill, the NEW CBA, and The Rockets offered it...

Ron Ron says PAPA BEAR's brains are fried...

So Lets see will Melo make much less so Knick's can have more cap money to spend to build on a Dynasty?
Your comments just don't make sense, Lin did what was best for his career, Melo already made plenty of $$$ in endorsements alone, I don't expect him to take much less to stay a Knick either, in fact I think he is expecting a Joe Johnson like deal....

Melo threw Lin under the bus with JR Smith, has ANYONE on the Yankee's ever mentioned AROD's contract?
IT was uncalled for and unprofessional, especially since they were "technically still team mates"

I believe Melo was jealous of Lin and he learned a thing or 2 about using the crowd/fans for their support and energy that Lin did last year....
It inspired him to learn to get his team mates involved more than just scoring, playing DEF, and getting the crowd on his side....

Especially the turning point was STAT to Melo MVP chants turning to boos when Melo went 1v1 and took bad quality shots....
Woody strokes Melo's ego and gets the most out of his production since any of his other coaches in the NBA, on both ends,
we are missing Melo's DEF along with his post up/ability to spread the floor...

Melo is currently our best mobile PF defensively on our roster
PF's that post up consistently and effectively are almost extinct in the league

I don't understand the need for constant low blows, just because they are no longer Knick's