tkf wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

tkf wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Anji wrote:Rather address Novak and Brewer in the appropriate setting. But I know went the heart flutters, things like that fall by the waste.

I brought up a valid way Felton can help Novak to get him open (I see no help for Brewer). I used Lin as an example - he played well with Novak. Now, instead of focusing on that part, why not take part in the actual constructive thought? I enjoyed your attempt at poetry though. "when" the heart flutters... and "fall by the wayside" - I think you meant.

haha.. good one..

but I agree with you.... but I said this before.. novak just isn't that good, when not open for threes he is useless... knicks don't push the ball at all, but novak IMO is better in an uptempo game, where the defense is scrambling or not set, he is a killer in those instances... as you said.. LIN pushed the ball, always probing, and for those filled with venom towards lin for some ridiculous reason, it can be any point guard that likes to push and find open men.. we just don't have that at this time..

As far as brewer I said this before, and I will say it again.. HE IS TRASH!

Good point regarding Novak. Though he is still critical with regards to creating space for Melo and others to operate. (e.g. - Like maybe when Stat comes back as well). Felton is great at breaking down defense and driving to the hole. So why doesn't he just get more creative (and smart) with regards to finding (and helping) Novak to get open? We are talking about a top 3 3pt shooter in the league? And because I brought up what Lin did I am ridiculed because of "Guild by Association", which is recockulous.

Copeland can do what Novak does (right now anyway as he has a hot hand) and more - somewhat better defensively, creates his own shot and can block shots on occasion.

I think Brewer has a place defensively, for sure, but offensively, he was just hot earlier. Few if any of us are shocked by his shooting downfall. His minutes are taking a nose dive and this playing under a defensive coach (or one time defensive coach - what has happened here?)

I agree, felton can penetrate, but what you see from felton is what you get, he has been in the league for a while now, felton is what he is, not sure if you are going to get him to change now...

novak is good as a floor spacer, but he also needs Space, to get his shot off, and we have to find ways to do that.. copeland really can't do what novak does, just not that good of a shooter.. actually copeland somewhat irritates me with the way he plays.. he gets the ball and has tunnel vision, he is going to shoot regardless, I am not a fan of that...

you made a good point, novak is a weapon, but we have to be able to utilize that weapon.. teams are not leaving him open tho, the word is out for sure...

Novak is probably the better overall shooter, but Copeland is at 48% on 3 pointers right now. I'd say ride the hot hand. But I'm sure they don't want him to just camp out like Novak does.

Feltons IQ is probably not going to go up, but they can create a few things for him to try (like I stated above). In other words, if the IQ is not there for a certain type of playing, then design plays to semi sort of create that. This is not a knock on Felton, not a lot of PG's in the league, even quite successful ones, would I describe as high IQ players.

So, if Novak is not being left open (AT ALL), we need to get him started. And that falls on the coach, as Novak is pretty helpless getting open.

earthmansurfer wrote:Remember, I think it was during the playoffs?, when the coach created a nice play to free up Novak on a screen. I think there was a moving block in there by Chandler as well (but that was a bit away from the play), but regardless, it was a nice play. Good point on the worst defender covering Novak, actually that hadn't crossed my mind. If Melo and JR (and even Felton) can create their own shots, then why aren't plays being run for Novak? I've long wondered why plays aren't drawn up to free up a top 3pt shooter in the league.

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tkf wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

tkf wrote:

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Anji wrote:Rather address Novak and Brewer in the appropriate setting. But I know went the heart flutters, things like that fall by the waste.

I brought up a valid way Felton can help Novak to get him open (I see no help for Brewer). I used Lin as an example - he played well with Novak. Now, instead of focusing on that part, why not take part in the actual constructive thought? I enjoyed your attempt at poetry though. "when" the heart flutters... and "fall by the wayside" - I think you meant.

haha.. good one..

but I agree with you.... but I said this before.. novak just isn't that good, when not open for threes he is useless... knicks don't push the ball at all, but novak IMO is better in an uptempo game, where the defense is scrambling or not set, he is a killer in those instances... as you said.. LIN pushed the ball, always probing, and for those filled with venom towards lin for some ridiculous reason, it can be any point guard that likes to push and find open men.. we just don't have that at this time..

As far as brewer I said this before, and I will say it again.. HE IS TRASH!

Good point regarding Novak. Though he is still critical with regards to creating space for Melo and others to operate. (e.g. - Like maybe when Stat comes back as well). Felton is great at breaking down defense and driving to the hole. So why doesn't he just get more creative (and smart) with regards to finding (and helping) Novak to get open? We are talking about a top 3 3pt shooter in the league? And because I brought up what Lin did I am ridiculed because of "Guild by Association", which is recockulous.

Copeland can do what Novak does (right now anyway as he has a hot hand) and more - somewhat better defensively, creates his own shot and can block shots on occasion.

I think Brewer has a place defensively, for sure, but offensively, he was just hot earlier. Few if any of us are shocked by his shooting downfall. His minutes are taking a nose dive and this playing under a defensive coach (or one time defensive coach - what has happened here?)

I agree, felton can penetrate, but what you see from felton is what you get, he has been in the league for a while now, felton is what he is, not sure if you are going to get him to change now...

novak is good as a floor spacer, but he also needs Space, to get his shot off, and we have to find ways to do that.. copeland really can't do what novak does, just not that good of a shooter.. actually copeland somewhat irritates me with the way he plays.. he gets the ball and has tunnel vision, he is going to shoot regardless, I am not a fan of that...

you made a good point, novak is a weapon, but we have to be able to utilize that weapon.. teams are not leaving him open tho, the word is out for sure...

Novak is probably the better overall shooter, but Copeland is at 48% on 3 pointers right now. I'd say ride the hot hand. But I'm sure they don't want him to just camp out like Novak does.

Feltons IQ is probably not going to go up, but they can create a few things for him to try (like I stated above). In other words, if the IQ is not there for a certain type of playing, then design plays to semi sort of create that. This is not a knock on Felton, not a lot of PG's in the league, even quite successful ones, would I describe as high IQ players.

So, if Novak is not being left open (AT ALL), we need to get him started. And that falls on the coach, as Novak is pretty helpless getting open.

GOOD POINT, but do you really have that kind of faith in woodson?

earthmansurfer wrote:

tkf wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

tkf wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

tkf wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Anji wrote:Rather address Novak and Brewer in the appropriate setting. But I know went the heart flutters, things like that fall by the waste.

I brought up a valid way Felton can help Novak to get him open (I see no help for Brewer). I used Lin as an example - he played well with Novak. Now, instead of focusing on that part, why not take part in the actual constructive thought? I enjoyed your attempt at poetry though. "when" the heart flutters... and "fall by the wayside" - I think you meant.

haha.. good one..

but I agree with you.... but I said this before.. novak just isn't that good, when not open for threes he is useless... knicks don't push the ball at all, but novak IMO is better in an uptempo game, where the defense is scrambling or not set, he is a killer in those instances... as you said.. LIN pushed the ball, always probing, and for those filled with venom towards lin for some ridiculous reason, it can be any point guard that likes to push and find open men.. we just don't have that at this time..

As far as brewer I said this before, and I will say it again.. HE IS TRASH!

Good point regarding Novak. Though he is still critical with regards to creating space for Melo and others to operate. (e.g. - Like maybe when Stat comes back as well). Felton is great at breaking down defense and driving to the hole. So why doesn't he just get more creative (and smart) with regards to finding (and helping) Novak to get open? We are talking about a top 3 3pt shooter in the league? And because I brought up what Lin did I am ridiculed because of "Guild by Association", which is recockulous.

Copeland can do what Novak does (right now anyway as he has a hot hand) and more - somewhat better defensively, creates his own shot and can block shots on occasion.

I think Brewer has a place defensively, for sure, but offensively, he was just hot earlier. Few if any of us are shocked by his shooting downfall. His minutes are taking a nose dive and this playing under a defensive coach (or one time defensive coach - what has happened here?)

I agree, felton can penetrate, but what you see from felton is what you get, he has been in the league for a while now, felton is what he is, not sure if you are going to get him to change now...

novak is good as a floor spacer, but he also needs Space, to get his shot off, and we have to find ways to do that.. copeland really can't do what novak does, just not that good of a shooter.. actually copeland somewhat irritates me with the way he plays.. he gets the ball and has tunnel vision, he is going to shoot regardless, I am not a fan of that...

you made a good point, novak is a weapon, but we have to be able to utilize that weapon.. teams are not leaving him open tho, the word is out for sure...

Novak is probably the better overall shooter, but Copeland is at 48% on 3 pointers right now. I'd say ride the hot hand. But I'm sure they don't want him to just camp out like Novak does.

Feltons IQ is probably not going to go up, but they can create a few things for him to try (like I stated above). In other words, if the IQ is not there for a certain type of playing, then design plays to semi sort of create that. This is not a knock on Felton, not a lot of PG's in the league, even quite successful ones, would I describe as high IQ players.

So, if Novak is not being left open (AT ALL), we need to get him started. And that falls on the coach, as Novak is pretty helpless getting open.

GOOD POINT, but do you really have that kind of faith in woodson?

I am mixed on the coach. I don't understand how he has let the defense slip so much. He is a tough read in a way.
I just think he is content to let Novak sit there and it makes zero sense.

If your team is having injury problems and you mostly keep running things the same way, I don't see how you are going to get better results.

I also am a bit mixed on how he has used Copeland. I know Copeland is not great defensively, but when the offense is struggling, Novak is not getting open, Brewers shot isn't falling and he isn't getting minutes and Felton is that banged up, I think it might be better to get the sure points with Cope.

So, I really don't know about the coach, I do like him though. But the magic he had last year and this year with the team defensively is GONE.

woodson has a problem with "favorites" and letting them do what they want to do and having a short leash with others... He has no problem letting JR smith and melo go "ham".... he also had a problem reigning in Iso joe here in atlanta as well...

I have my concerns with him for sure...

BRIGGS wrote:Last 5 games Novak 4-18 averaging less than 3 points

last 8 Brewer 4-22 avg less than 3 points

Agreed on both fronts.

While I love it when Novak gets hot --- if its that easy to take you out of a game (by simply sticking to you) I'm not sure you're that good. Novak needs to learn (work on) cutting once in awhile and making defenses pay for the over-play.

I loved the Brewer addition but he looks heavy to me and has been largely dissapointing --- I wasn't expecting much offensively but he's been worse than expected. He has also been dissapointing defensively --- looks like classic case of a guy letting his bad shooting effect him on the other end.

Here's a trade thought ---- Denver is getting nothing out of Wilson Chandler.

How about Novak for Ill-Will? He supposedly has a bad hip but I get the feeling he isn't thrilled with the contract Denver forced him into.

Or move Novak for a legit back-up PG. Not sold on Prigs because he can't get into the lane without 3-4 picks and don't want to force J-Kidd into too many minutes at the point. Trade Novak for an athletic BIG or a solid penetrating back-up PG.

Syniko wrote:Trade Novak to Houston. Problem Solved. At least for Knicks, the problem is solved but for the Rockets, Novak/Lin = The Dynamic Duo will be back together again.

Lol,your infatuation with Lin is borderline creepy.